Got too find that stuff on the net. Thanks young fella Dago.kikibalt wrote:Yeah, I listen to Johnny Otis and Art Leboe, but before they came on the scene, I listen to Joe Adams, Hunter Hancock and later on Huggy Boy, I started listening to Adams about 1949, Hancock about 1951, it was all early R&B, thats the music I like.dagosd2000 wrote:I'm zigging when I should be zagging.kikibalt wrote:Rick,
I moved your post on Oscar Albarado.
Frank
Hey pal,what radio shows did you listen to in LA? Johnny Otis? Art Leboe?
There's an ol' Mexican gal who owns a little beer joint on Logan Avenue. I got a mechanic who does some work on my car across the street. I'll have a coke in her place as I wait for my car. She's got one hell of a jukebox. Lupita Palomera. Chelo Silva. Little Willie and the Midniters. Los Angeles Negroes. Los Bukis. Sometimes I look forward to my car breaking down.
Frank
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Hey Buddy my Spanish is "mas o menos". Don't tell my wife,but I got my first Spanish lessons in the cantinas.Seriuosly,I first listened to great tradicional Mexican music in those places. The girls would always want money for the juke box. I'd listen to some of the most beautifull songs. Trio De Los Panchos. Los Diamantes. Los Tecolines. Pedro Infante. And my favorite,Javier Solis. To name only a few. Happy music. Good dance music. Perez Prado's mambos. Cumbias. Sonora Santanera. Mike Laure. Sonora Dinamita. Learned a few dance steps too.kikibalt wrote:dago,
Hey your Spanish is good, I speak Spanish, but it is all slang, and I don't read it at all. damn!!
Well that's as far as I go describing my experiences in the "Coahuila' I refuse to testify on the grounds that I may incrimminate myself.
Caption by Hap Navarro
This shot is at the Moose Gym, top of Angel's Flight (after the Main St, Gym burned down) and it shows me, Luis Magana, and Enrique Bolanos, Enrique was passing by when he saw the photographer setting up to shoot Luis and me, so he smile and said "Me too" and squatted down to be in the picture. The picture we are looking at on the table is Abel Fernandez.
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Dago, I saw both of Albarado's fights with DelCid and let me tell ya, it was simply a case where all the stars were aligned right for DelCid. In the 1st round DelCid had moved to the ropes with Albarado bearing down on him and Oscar came in with his head down. DelCid whistled over an overhand right and caught Oscar in the back of the left ear and down he goes. He got up but it was target practice before the ref jumped in. Simply a case of getting caught just right. Albarado had a great jaw, proof being going 10 rounds with Muniz, Lopez, Lewis, Soriano, Pruitt, etc. In the rematch, no mistakes and DelCid paid big time. Even the best of fighters can go down when caught just right. I never thought Snipes could have dropped Holmes or the light punching Rocky Castellani could drop Ray Robinson for the count of 9. Although I never saw the fight, I heard Chuvalo went down twice against Bonavena only for both being called slips. The urban myth out there is at least one of them should have been called legit.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick or Frank
Help me with this one. I remember watching Shotgun Alborado at the Olympic. He was a good action fighter with an impressive record. Then he gets stopped in the first round by a guy named Dino Del Cid. What happened in that fight? I couldn't figure how a guy of Alborado's caliber could lose to a fighter in one round like Cid. I know Oscar won the rematch. Also is Aborado still around? The Dago
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I'm sure it was just to emphasise his punching power and to put fear in the hearts of men. Like Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock, Iran 'the blade' Barkley and Felix 'Tito' Trinidad (just kidding on the last one). I recall they even had a lot of publicity photos at the time of Oscar wielding a shotgun for upcoming matches.bennie wrote:Stupid question, perhaps, but why did they call him Shotgun?
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Hey Frank, Sr.
This is the BEST THREAD that I have ever seen in this forum...I have been here for 3 or 4 years and I have not seen nothing like this. It is a very educating thread and most of all, BEAUTIFUL.
One of the questions I would like to ask you personally.
1. Of your children's fights, which fight of Tony and Frankie Jr. were their best fights? Tell me what do you remember of those victories.
2. About my childhood hero the great Roberto Duran, did you ever got to see him fight in LA, and what you thought about him the first time you saw him?
3. Did you heard any thing about Duran meeting FINALLY his dad in LA in 1974?...Was it big news around the boxing circle in that time?
4. What do you think of who won the second Ali-Norton fight in LA?
5. Which was your FAVORITE MEXICAN fighter of all-time?
This is the BEST THREAD that I have ever seen in this forum...I have been here for 3 or 4 years and I have not seen nothing like this. It is a very educating thread and most of all, BEAUTIFUL.
One of the questions I would like to ask you personally.
1. Of your children's fights, which fight of Tony and Frankie Jr. were their best fights? Tell me what do you remember of those victories.
2. About my childhood hero the great Roberto Duran, did you ever got to see him fight in LA, and what you thought about him the first time you saw him?
3. Did you heard any thing about Duran meeting FINALLY his dad in LA in 1974?...Was it big news around the boxing circle in that time?
4. What do you think of who won the second Ali-Norton fight in LA?
5. Which was your FAVORITE MEXICAN fighter of all-time?
[quote="elmersalsa"]Hey Frank, Sr.
This is the BEST THREAD that I have ever seen in this forum...I have been here for 3 or 4 years and I have not seen nothing like this. It is a very educating thread and most of all, BEAUTIFUL.
One of the questions I would like to ask you personally.
1. Of your children's fights, which fight of Tony and Frankie Jr. were their best fights? Tell me what do you remember of those victories.
Frankie, I don't know that I can pick one fight as been his best, his one fight that stick to my mind is his fight against Juan Escobar, Escobar beat the crap out of Frankie for the first four rounds, after the fourth round I told Frankie that if he didn't show me anything in the fifth round I was stopping the fight. Well he came back and won the fifth round and every round after that, he drop Escobar in the tenth round and won the fight.
Tony's best fight imo was against Howard Davis, he drop Davis Twice, in N.J. at that time the fights were score on the round system and in case of a draw they had some kind of point system they would go to, I thought Tony won the fight (albeit close) 6-4 in rounds, now we all know that Davis got the decision, now I got no problem with that, but that one judge who had Davis winning 8-2 should not be judging fights.
2. About my childhood hero the great Roberto Duran, did you ever got to see him fight in LA, and what you thought about him the first time you saw him?
I only seen Duran fight live one time, that against Pipino Cuevas, I seen most of his fights that were on tv early in his career, away thought he was a great fighter.
3. Did you heard any thing about Duran meeting FINALLY his dad in LA in 1974?...Was it big news around the boxing circle in that time?
Never heard anything about that.
4. What do you think of who won the second Ali-Norton fight in LA?
Ali/Norton, I don't remember too much about Ali's or Norton's fights, as I never cared about either one as a fighter.
5. Which was your FAVORITE MEXICAN fighter of all-time?
Favorite Mexican fighter has to be Enrique Bolanos, he was my idol as I was growing up, as a ten year old my dad took me to see Bolanos fight Ike Williams (1946) for Williams's lightweight title, if Bolanos was fighting in the 1990's he would've been a bigger star then Oscar De La Hoyo.
Mexican- American fighter would be a fighter you probably never heard off, Keeny Teran who fought in the early 1950's, why would he be my favorite Mexcian-American fighter? probably because I spent lots of time working out with him in the gym and plus he was a very good fighter, I thought he had all the tools to be champion, but the drugs got him first.
Frank
This is the BEST THREAD that I have ever seen in this forum...I have been here for 3 or 4 years and I have not seen nothing like this. It is a very educating thread and most of all, BEAUTIFUL.
One of the questions I would like to ask you personally.
1. Of your children's fights, which fight of Tony and Frankie Jr. were their best fights? Tell me what do you remember of those victories.
Frankie, I don't know that I can pick one fight as been his best, his one fight that stick to my mind is his fight against Juan Escobar, Escobar beat the crap out of Frankie for the first four rounds, after the fourth round I told Frankie that if he didn't show me anything in the fifth round I was stopping the fight. Well he came back and won the fifth round and every round after that, he drop Escobar in the tenth round and won the fight.
Tony's best fight imo was against Howard Davis, he drop Davis Twice, in N.J. at that time the fights were score on the round system and in case of a draw they had some kind of point system they would go to, I thought Tony won the fight (albeit close) 6-4 in rounds, now we all know that Davis got the decision, now I got no problem with that, but that one judge who had Davis winning 8-2 should not be judging fights.
2. About my childhood hero the great Roberto Duran, did you ever got to see him fight in LA, and what you thought about him the first time you saw him?
I only seen Duran fight live one time, that against Pipino Cuevas, I seen most of his fights that were on tv early in his career, away thought he was a great fighter.
3. Did you heard any thing about Duran meeting FINALLY his dad in LA in 1974?...Was it big news around the boxing circle in that time?
Never heard anything about that.
4. What do you think of who won the second Ali-Norton fight in LA?
Ali/Norton, I don't remember too much about Ali's or Norton's fights, as I never cared about either one as a fighter.
5. Which was your FAVORITE MEXICAN fighter of all-time?
Favorite Mexican fighter has to be Enrique Bolanos, he was my idol as I was growing up, as a ten year old my dad took me to see Bolanos fight Ike Williams (1946) for Williams's lightweight title, if Bolanos was fighting in the 1990's he would've been a bigger star then Oscar De La Hoyo.
Mexican- American fighter would be a fighter you probably never heard off, Keeny Teran who fought in the early 1950's, why would he be my favorite Mexcian-American fighter? probably because I spent lots of time working out with him in the gym and plus he was a very good fighter, I thought he had all the tools to be champion, but the drugs got him first.
Frank
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Thanks Scar,the mystery is solved!scartissue wrote:Dago, I saw both of Albarado's fights with DelCid and let me tell ya, it was simply a case where all the stars were aligned right for DelCid. In the 1st round DelCid had moved to the ropes with Albarado bearing down on him and Oscar came in with his head down. DelCid whistled over an overhand right and caught Oscar in the back of the left ear and down he goes. He got up but it was target practice before the ref jumped in. Simply a case of getting caught just right. Albarado had a great jaw, proof being going 10 rounds with Muniz, Lopez, Lewis, Soriano, Pruitt, etc. In the rematch, no mistakes and DelCid paid big time. Even the best of fighters can go down when caught just right. I never thought Snipes could have dropped Holmes or the light punching Rocky Castellani could drop Ray Robinson for the count of 9. Although I never saw the fight, I heard Chuvalo went down twice against Bonavena only for both being called slips. The urban myth out there is at least one of them should have been called legit.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick or Frank
Help me with this one. I remember watching Shotgun Alborado at the Olympic. He was a good action fighter with an impressive record. Then he gets stopped in the first round by a guy named Dino Del Cid. What happened in that fight? I couldn't figure how a guy of Alborado's caliber could lose to a fighter in one round like Cid. I know Oscar won the rematch. Also is Aborado still around? The Dago
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His real name was David. David Cabrera. His nickname was "Maceton". In Spanish it means someone with a big head. I never knew him. Never talked to him. Only saw him fight once.
It was a fight for the so called Mexican Cruiserweight Title at the Auditorium in Tijuana. I went with the boyfriend of the gal who introduced me to my wife. His name was Bonifacio. He drove a cab,so I figured we'd get there with no problem. It's true :A ride in a Tijuana taxi was like riding on the "Pike",the famous Long Beach rollercoaster.
Geraldo was a familiar figure in TJ and San Diego. He'd fought at the Coliseum, and been in there with Hagler,Leonard,and Hearns. Before the fight we visited a few of the less reputable establishments downtown before Bonifacio took me on a kamikazee run to the Auditorium.
I could never understand the reasoning for putting up stop signs and red lights in Tijuana. I think they posed as a test to see how brave(or crazy) you could be to ignore them. I know this. If you drive sensibly in Tijuana,you'll probably wind up in a wreck.
Well me and Bonifacio had contributed admirably to the "Jose Cuervo Foundation" and were ready to join the other "aficianados" in a night of good spirited fun at the Saturday night fights. The ringsiders broke out the dead rattlesnack and were tossing it around ringside. Then came the blood soaked woman's panties,size 44's,that were jubiantly tossed in the air. Always fun at those events.
I don't know who this "Maceton" character is,so I'm throwing my weight with Geraldo. Marcos enters the ring first and gets a big hand. He's the home town boy. Then from the opposite side comes Cabrera. He's got an old towel around his shoulders . As he gets closer,I notice he's got a limp. It's a limp like he's broken down. Like something is wrong with his hip. He's got a tall crew cut that looks like it hasn't been cut in months. His hair is iron gray. His head is down and when he gets in the ring,he looks like he's 80 years old. His boxing shoes are torn and he's wearing trunks that are frayed at the waistband.
The fight begins and Cabrera shuffles out. The ring lights show everything. His head IS big and with that tall crew cut and gnarly look,he reminds me of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. The fight goes along kind of slow. Geraldo isn't doing much,and I'm figuring he's going in the tank. Cabrera is soft around the middle,but I'm thinking it's not because he hasn't trained,but because he's an old man. Cabrera's slightly ahead going into the middle rounds. Then I do something stupid. After the 8th ,I climb up to Geraldo's corner and blow my tequila breath at him shouting to punch him in the stomach. His corner is looking at me in bewilderment. I stagger back to my seat thinking I'm the greatest thing since Charley Goldman on giving advice to a fighter. Well the bell rings to start the 9th frame and Geraldo rushes Cabrera slugging both hands to Cabrera's belly. Down goes Cabrera and he's out.
Cabrera's corner helps him to his stool and drapes his towel around his shoulders. He isn't saying anything. Everyone is in Geraldo's corner congradulating him. The photographers are taking his picture and he's talking to the newpaper guys. I take a look at Cabrera's corner. He pulls on the the ropes to get off his stool. He looks tired and I can hear him make a groaning noise as he touches his stomach. I couldn't take my eyes off him. He carefully got down from the ring and started limping with his head down back to the dressing room. His hand was on his stomach still.
Me and Bonifacio get back in his cab and begin our adventure back. Bonifacio smiles at me and says "Let's go to 'Fuzzy Land' for another drink"
"I don't know if I need another one." I began to feel bad for Cabrera. A guy like that shouldn't be allowed in the ring.
"You sure gave Geraldo good advice,"says Bonifacio."What did you say to him?"
" I told him this was the round that Cabrera was going to take a dive."
It was a fight for the so called Mexican Cruiserweight Title at the Auditorium in Tijuana. I went with the boyfriend of the gal who introduced me to my wife. His name was Bonifacio. He drove a cab,so I figured we'd get there with no problem. It's true :A ride in a Tijuana taxi was like riding on the "Pike",the famous Long Beach rollercoaster.
Geraldo was a familiar figure in TJ and San Diego. He'd fought at the Coliseum, and been in there with Hagler,Leonard,and Hearns. Before the fight we visited a few of the less reputable establishments downtown before Bonifacio took me on a kamikazee run to the Auditorium.
I could never understand the reasoning for putting up stop signs and red lights in Tijuana. I think they posed as a test to see how brave(or crazy) you could be to ignore them. I know this. If you drive sensibly in Tijuana,you'll probably wind up in a wreck.
Well me and Bonifacio had contributed admirably to the "Jose Cuervo Foundation" and were ready to join the other "aficianados" in a night of good spirited fun at the Saturday night fights. The ringsiders broke out the dead rattlesnack and were tossing it around ringside. Then came the blood soaked woman's panties,size 44's,that were jubiantly tossed in the air. Always fun at those events.
I don't know who this "Maceton" character is,so I'm throwing my weight with Geraldo. Marcos enters the ring first and gets a big hand. He's the home town boy. Then from the opposite side comes Cabrera. He's got an old towel around his shoulders . As he gets closer,I notice he's got a limp. It's a limp like he's broken down. Like something is wrong with his hip. He's got a tall crew cut that looks like it hasn't been cut in months. His hair is iron gray. His head is down and when he gets in the ring,he looks like he's 80 years old. His boxing shoes are torn and he's wearing trunks that are frayed at the waistband.
The fight begins and Cabrera shuffles out. The ring lights show everything. His head IS big and with that tall crew cut and gnarly look,he reminds me of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. The fight goes along kind of slow. Geraldo isn't doing much,and I'm figuring he's going in the tank. Cabrera is soft around the middle,but I'm thinking it's not because he hasn't trained,but because he's an old man. Cabrera's slightly ahead going into the middle rounds. Then I do something stupid. After the 8th ,I climb up to Geraldo's corner and blow my tequila breath at him shouting to punch him in the stomach. His corner is looking at me in bewilderment. I stagger back to my seat thinking I'm the greatest thing since Charley Goldman on giving advice to a fighter. Well the bell rings to start the 9th frame and Geraldo rushes Cabrera slugging both hands to Cabrera's belly. Down goes Cabrera and he's out.
Cabrera's corner helps him to his stool and drapes his towel around his shoulders. He isn't saying anything. Everyone is in Geraldo's corner congradulating him. The photographers are taking his picture and he's talking to the newpaper guys. I take a look at Cabrera's corner. He pulls on the the ropes to get off his stool. He looks tired and I can hear him make a groaning noise as he touches his stomach. I couldn't take my eyes off him. He carefully got down from the ring and started limping with his head down back to the dressing room. His hand was on his stomach still.
Me and Bonifacio get back in his cab and begin our adventure back. Bonifacio smiles at me and says "Let's go to 'Fuzzy Land' for another drink"
"I don't know if I need another one." I began to feel bad for Cabrera. A guy like that shouldn't be allowed in the ring.
"You sure gave Geraldo good advice,"says Bonifacio."What did you say to him?"
" I told him this was the round that Cabrera was going to take a dive."
Caption by Hap Navarro
This is a historic picture because Jose Napoles had not set foot in the U.S.A when it was taken.It's 1968 and we are all gathered for dinner at Carminas in Mexicali.George Parnassus had come down to pick up Napoles after he flew in from Mexico city. George and his chauffeur at the time, Lauro Salas had stoped at my place of business in Calexico and asked me to attend the dinner. I was tired and I didn't want to go. but then Lauro phoned me and asked me to please go because Parnassus wanted me there. So I went but I had already had dinner. Ruben Navarro had also made the trip down with George and Lauro. All of the Mexicali press (about 15) were there because Napoles was hot copy for them, of course.
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That is a great shot. Boy, Napoles sure warmed up to Mexico and vice versa. I read that the President of Mexico made him a Mexican citizen. At the time this was very rare. Only the President could bestow this honor. Also I read that he held back fighting at first because he wanted to build his stregnth up. He wanted to be sure he made a good impression.The famous Mexican singer and songwriter,Jose Alfredo Jimenez, wrote the great song "El Rey" in tribute to Napoles. When I was living in Tijuana with the wife and kids,I saw Napoles get equal billing in a movie with Mexico's most famous wrestler,"El Santo." After he won the title from Cokes,the Mexican press asked him how he felt. Napoles replied,"They could throw me in the middle of the ocean. All I would have to do is listen for the 'Mariachis' and I'd know which direction to swim." Yes,he was "El Rey",the King.kikibalt wrote:
Caption by Hap Navarro
This is a historic picture because Jose Napoles had not set foot in the U.S.A when it was taken.It's 1968 and we are all gathered for dinner at Carminas in Mexicali.George Parnassus had come down to pick up Napoles after he flew in from Mexico city. George and his chauffeur at the time, Lauro Salas had stoped at my place of business in Calexico and asked me to attend the dinner. I was tired and I didn't want to go. but then Lauro phoned me and asked me to please go because Parnassus wanted me there. So I went but I had already had dinner. Ruben Navarro had also made the trip down with George and Lauro. All of the Mexicali press (about 15) were there because Napoles was hot copy for them, of course.
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