Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez . The Lost Decade.

[Expug]

Many remember Ernie Lopez the older brother of Danny "Lil Red" Lopez.
A real solid fighter in the 60s and early 70s out of L. A.
Ernie came up short in two title shots against Jose Napoles.
He had a very tough life from day one.
Born on a Ute Indian reservation with 7 siblings, his Mom cared for the kids while his Dad drank and was abusive.
The kids were taken away by Social Services andscattered about to different foster homes.
The Mother heartbroken, wound up wandering the streets.
After Ernies boxing career Lopez would work odd construction jobs and he would occasionaly disappear, hitchhiking across the country for no apparent reason.
He would always turn up eventually.
However one day in 1993 that changed.
Ernie asked his sister (who he was living with) to drop him off at the Bus station.
She probably figured he would be gone for a while , like usual.
Noone in his family heard or saw him again for 11 years.
It was not until The California Boxing Hall of Fame decided to enshrine him , that anyone was able to locate him.
That was in 2004.
He was found living in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth Texas.
When someone told him that he had been lost for 11 years , Lopez said "Im not lost, Ive been here all along".
Hes back with his Family in L.A. now.
Hes forgetfull from all the tough fights but it seems like hes doing ok.
Looking back, his Sister said that Ernie never really was able to get over his losses to Napoles.
He had put so much of his identity in being a fighter that he had a helluva time getting back on track.
Sometimes losing like that is very tough to deal with emotionaly I guess.
Although in the end it turned out ok, its still a harrowing experience for the people who cared about Lopez.
Sometimes fight fans dont realize the toll it takes on guys who climb them steps.
Im sure there are many many more stories similar to this.


His story is incredible.

[kikibalt]

Ernie "Red' Lopez

[dagosd2000]

Many remember Ernie Lopez the older brother of Danny "Lil Red" Lopez.
A real solid fighter in the 60s and early 70s out of L. A.
Ernie came up short in two title shots against Jose Napoles.
He had a very tough life from day one.
Born on a Ute Indian reservation with 7 siblings, his Mom cared for the kids while his Dad drank and was abusive.
The kids were taken away by Social Services andscattered about to different foster homes.
The Mother heartbroken, wound up wandering the streets.
After Ernies boxing career Lopez would work odd construction jobs and he would occasionaly disappear, hitchhiking across the country for no apparent reason.
He would always turn up eventually.
However one day in 1993 that changed.
Ernie asked his sister (who he was living with) to drop him off at the Bus station.
She probably figured he would be gone for a while , like usual.
Noone in his family heard or saw him again for 11 years.
It was not until The California Boxing Hall of Fame decided to enshrine him , that anyone was able to locate him.
That was in 2004.
He was found living in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth Texas.
When someone told him that he had been lost for 11 years , Lopez said "Im not lost, Ive been here all along".
Hes back with his Family in L.A. now.
Hes forgetfull from all the tough fights but it seems like hes doing ok.
Looking back, his Sister said that Ernie never really was able to get over his losses to Napoles.
He had put so much of his identity in being a fighter that he had a helluva time getting back on track.
Sometimes losing like that is very tough to deal with emotionaly I guess.
Although in the end it turned out ok, its still a harrowing experience for the people who cared about Lopez.
Sometimes fight fans dont realize the toll it takes on guys who climb them steps.
Im sure there are many many more stories similar to this.


His story is incredible.

Hey Buddy,That was a good post. Hard luck guy. I know his brother was very worried about him. Little Red delt with his losses to Sanchez better than Ernie did with Napoles. I remember Ernie saying before his second fight with Napoles,"I've got him. He's getting old" Well Jose hit him with a right uppercut and knocked Ernie out cold. Lopez was really down after that. He said on the sports news"I don't know. I can't beat this guy" Napoles made Cokes say the same thing. Ernie went downhill after that and disappeared. It's great to have him back. His family will take care of him. He thrilled us in the Southland with his fights with Hedgemon Lewis.

Here's a good one. There's a segment on Real Sports about the lives of Bobby Chacon and Little Red after their careers were over. Well Bobby is struggling. Broke,fighter's dementia,losing his wife to suicide. He really lived in the fast lane. Was in Jail. Drugs. Little Red retired after losing to Sanchez. But these two boys were the toast of LA. They fought each other ,and Bobby really pounded Little Red. Little Red works a little construction,has a nice family,grand kids. A real gentleman. He's happy. Does some sports shows,shows up for the fights once in a while.

What do you think this idiot Larry Merchant asks him? "Little Red. After looking at Bobby Chacon now. Who do you think really won?" I don't know if Danny was playing dumb,but he looks Merchant right in the eye and says"What are you talking about. Chacon kicked my ass"

Bobby and Danny reunited in LA at a sports event. When Bobby saw
Danny, he ran over to him ,hugged him like a little kid and said"Hey you can't forget me."

Don't worry guys. We'll never forget either one of you.

[dagosd2000]

Ernie "Red' Lopez

Hey Kikibalt,I do some painting,art work. I need to get inspired to paint. That picture of Indian Red inspired me to do a portrait of him. Great shot. He looks happy and tough as ever. That makes me happy DAGOS

[Expug]

Many remember Ernie Lopez the older brother of Danny "Lil Red" Lopez.
A real solid fighter in the 60s and early 70s out of L. A.
Ernie came up short in two title shots against Jose Napoles.
He had a very tough life from day one.
Born on a Ute Indian reservation with 7 siblings, his Mom cared for the kids while his Dad drank and was abusive.
The kids were taken away by Social Services andscattered about to different foster homes.
The Mother heartbroken, wound up wandering the streets.
After Ernies boxing career Lopez would work odd construction jobs and he would occasionaly disappear, hitchhiking across the country for no apparent reason.
He would always turn up eventually.
However one day in 1993 that changed.
Ernie asked his sister (who he was living with) to drop him off at the Bus station.
She probably figured he would be gone for a while , like usual.
Noone in his family heard or saw him again for 11 years.
It was not until The California Boxing Hall of Fame decided to enshrine him , that anyone was able to locate him.
That was in 2004.
He was found living in a homeless shelter in Fort Worth Texas.
When someone told him that he had been lost for 11 years , Lopez said "Im not lost, Ive been here all along".
Hes back with his Family in L.A. now.
Hes forgetfull from all the tough fights but it seems like hes doing ok.
Looking back, his Sister said that Ernie never really was able to get over his losses to Napoles.
He had put so much of his identity in being a fighter that he had a helluva time getting back on track.
Sometimes losing like that is very tough to deal with emotionaly I guess.
Although in the end it turned out ok, its still a harrowing experience for the people who cared about Lopez.
Sometimes fight fans dont realize the toll it takes on guys who climb them steps.
Im sure there are many many more stories similar to this.


His story is incredible.

Hey Buddy,That was a good post. Hard luck guy. I know his brother was very worried about him. Little Red delt with his losses to Sanchez better than Ernie did with Napoles. I remember Ernie saying before his second fight with Napoles,"I've got him. He's getting old" Well Jose hit him with a right uppercut and knocked Ernie out cold. Lopez was really down after that. He said on the sports news"I don't know. I can't beat this guy" Napoles made Cokes say the same thing. Ernie went downhill after that and disappeared. It's great to have him back. His family will take care of him. He thrilled us in the Southland with his fights with Hedgemon Lewis.

Here's a good one. There's a segment on Real Sports about the lives of Bobby Chacon and Little Red after their careers were over. Well Bobby is struggling. Broke,fighter's dementia,losing his wife to suicide. He really lived in the fast lane. Was in Jail. Drugs. Little Red retired after losing to Sanchez. But these to boys were the toast of LA. They fought each other ,and Bobby really pounded Little Red. Little Red works a little construction,has a nice family,grand kids. A real gentleman. He's happy. Does some sports shows,shows up for the fights once in a while.

What do you think this idiot Larry Merchant asks him? "Little Red. After looking at Bobby Chacon now. Who do you think really won?" I don't know if Danny was playing dumb,but he looks Merchant right in the eye and says"What are you talking about. Chacon kicked my ass"

Bobby and Danny reunited in LA at a sports event. When Bobby saw
Danny, he ran over to him ,hugged him like a little kid and said"Hey you can't forget me."

Don't worry guys. We'll never forget either one of you.

Thanks Dagos.
I had a feeling you might have known the Lopez bros.
I saw part of the segment on Chacon and Danny.
Very poignant.
Danny Lopez was one of my favorites back in the 70s.
He and Carlos Palomino were two guys I admired back then.
Still do.
Tough in the ring , but they also carried themselves with class.
Im not surprised that Merchant asked Danny that question.
Merchant is one commentator I really cant stand listening to.
As has been discussed before, I dont know where the hell some of these ringside experts come from . I really dont.

[kikibalt]

I shot this pic. of Danny Lopez and his wife Bonnie on Dec. 14, 2007 at a luncheon we had in E.L.A.

[dagosd2000]

I shot this pic. of Danny Lopez and his wife Bonnie on Dec. 14, 2007 at a luncheon we had in E.L.A.

Hey Kiks,That's Little Red all right. I mean it,I'm starting to break up. Great stuff. Thanks

[Expug]

I shot this pic. of Danny Lopez and his wife Bonnie on Dec. 14, 2007 at a luncheon we had in E.L.A.

Hey Kiks,That's Little Red all right. I mean it,I'm starting to break up. Great stuff. Thanks

Great shot.
Danny looks like hes doing well.
Great to see.

[Rick Farris]

Dagos . . .

To be perfectly honest, I didn't see either one of Albarado's two fights with Dino Del Cid. I know he won the second, but really can't comment on as to why he lost the first.

I remember seeing him working out at the Main St. Gym, around 1969, after he came to L.A. from Texas, and began fighting for the Olympic Boxing Club. Albarado impressed Aileen Eaton with his '68 KO of Lonnie Harris, a middleweight born in Memphis, but who fought out of L.A. Harris could hold his own with most of the best middleweights in the world. The "Uvalde Shotgun", blasted out Harris in less than a round.

I believe, based on what I saw Albarado do against guys like Hedgemon Lewis, Ernie Lopez, Armando Muniz, etc. that Albarado was very good, but just a cut beneath the best L.A. had to offer at the time.

Of course, in Japan he won the World Jr. Middle title, and he defended it more than once. However, I believe this is one case where viewing the record of a boxer's career, will serve as a road map to their place in history. Oscar was a World Champ, but seemed to be just a bit shy of what it took to be the best.

Guys, my opinion only, of course.

I know this, I saw Albarado and Ernie Lopez have some GREAT gym wars at Main St. In the gym, both were impressive against each other. In an actual fight, the cream that rose to the top of the barrel was "Indian Red".


-Rick Farris

[dagosd2000]

Dagos . . .

To be perfectly honest, I didn't see either one of Albarado's two fights with Dino Del Cid. I know he won the second, but really can't comment on as to why he lost the first.

I remember seeing him working out at the Main St. Gym, around 1969, after he came to L.A. from Texas, and began fighting for the Olympic Boxing Club. Albarado impressed Aileen Eaton with his '68 KO of Lonnie Harris, a middleweight born in Memphis, but who fought out of L.A. Harris could hold his own with most of the best middleweights in the world. The "Uvalde Shotgun", blasted out Harris in less than a round.

I believe, based on what I saw Albarado do against guys like Hedgemon Lewis, Ernie Lopez, Armando Muniz, etc. that Albarado was very good, but just a cut beneath the best L.A. had to offer at the time.

Of course, in Japan he won the World Jr. Middle title, and he defended it more than once. However, I believe this is one case where viewing the record of a boxer's career, will serve as a road map to their place in history. Oscar was a World Champ, but seemed to be just a bit shy of what it took to be the best.

Guys, my opinion only, of course.

I know this, I saw Albarado and Ernie Lopez have some GREAT gym wars at Main St. In the gym, both were impressive against each other. In an actual fight, the cream that rose to the top of the barrel was "Indian Red".


-Rick Farris

Thanks for the reply Rick. Two more questions. Thurmen Durden got hot for a while. I saw Mando Muniz go through him in 2 frames at the Olympic.
What's Durden doing now?

Also on that card I saw Ray Robinson fight a two round exhibition against a pretty fair welterweight,a white fighter,but I don't remember his name. He was from California. Any Ideas? By the way Robinson looked great.

[kikibalt]

dago,

I have Thurmen Durden's brother Claude's phone number, I'll call him and see what Thurmen is doing, the last time I talk with Claude he told me that Thurmen was working in L.A., I don't remember what he told he was doing, I know that one of them is a cook.

Btw, Claude fought my son Frankie, Frankie won by ko in seven rounds

Frank

[Expug]

The name of the thread could be changed no sweat.
But I dont understand why it was cut up.
I thought it flowed nicely.
Of all the threads currently on this site ,
This one is the one thats gonna be tweaked like this?

[dagosd2000]

The name of the thread could be changed no sweat.
But I dont understand why it was cut up.
I thought it flowed nicely.
Of all the threads currently on this site ,
This one is the one thats gonna be tweaked like this?

Hey Pug,this was your idea. We know that. You got everyone off to a wonderfull start,and we can't keep this going without you. I don't know how this happened,but maybe it's more than Indian Red. But whatever the reason, it's your thread. In my mind it is. if you don't contribute,we lose our heart. That's the way I feel. You're my favorite poster. Dagos

[Expug]

The name of the thread could be changed no sweat.
But I dont understand why it was cut up.
I thought it flowed nicely.
Of all the threads currently on this site ,
This one is the one thats gonna be tweaked like this?

Hey Pug,this was your idea. We know that. You got everyone off to a wonderfull start,and we can't keep this going without you. I don't know how this happened,but maybe it's more than Indian Red. But whatever the reason, it's your thread. In my mind it is. if you don't contribute,we lose our heart. That's the way I feel. You're my favorite poster. Dagos

I appreciate the kind words Dagos.
There was a suggestion made about switching the name of the thread.
Thats fine .
I just thought it flowed nicely with the outstanding individuals like yourself and others posting in it.
I just cant figure out why it was seperated the way it was.
Ive never seen this done before .

[kikibalt]

The name of the thread could be changed no sweat.
But I dont understand why it was cut up.
I thought it flowed nicely.
Of all the threads currently on this site ,
This one is the one thats gonna be tweaked like this?

I agree with the pug, change the name? okay, but it didn't need to be cut up, lets make it one thread again. Okay?

[kikibalt]

Ernie & Danny Lopez are west coast fighters, so why not put this thread where it belongs, and thats in the west coast fighters thread.

[scartissue]

The name of the thread could be changed no sweat.
But I dont understand why it was cut up.
I thought it flowed nicely.
Of all the threads currently on this site ,
This one is the one thats gonna be tweaked like this?

Hey Pug,this was your idea. We know that. You got everyone off to a wonderfull start,and we can't keep this going without you. I don't know how this happened,but maybe it's more than Indian Red. But whatever the reason, it's your thread. In my mind it is. if you don't contribute,we lose our heart. That's the way I feel. You're my favorite poster. Dagos

I appreciate the kind words Dagos.
There was a suggestion made about switching the name of the thread.
Thats fine .
I just thought it flowed nicely with the outstanding individuals like yourself and others posting in it.
I just cant figure out why it was seperated the way it was.
Ive never seen this done before .

Expug and all, I'm afraid the split in the thread is my fault. With the movement in the thread varying nicely on subjects from West Coast to Chicago to Philadelphia, but remaining religiously a classic boxing thread, I was beginning to feel we may be excluding those who may not have joined in thinking it was solely a thread on the great welterweight contender, Ernie Lopez. It was not and had become so much more that I felt it was a misnomer and thought simply to change the name to 'Classic Boxing', which would keep those of us who have made this the best thread on the net rooted while inviting others to join in as well. I had sent off a PM to you expug explaining, since you started the thread as well as to the editors. They got back to me unsure how to do a name change so they said they simply split it. In hindsight, I can see I really should have thrown this up to all you guys but I want you to know my intentions were simply for continuity. The way we've been posting, a day or so we'll have steadied the boat. So again, place the blame at my feet, sorry for the mishap, hope I didn't ostracize anyone.

Scartissue

[BoxBuzz]

Sadly this can not be undone and the editor that did this has offered up his apology. I think you can depend on all mods to operate more cautiously regarding taking any action of this nature in the future.

[Ric]

I think I managed to re-create somewhat the original first page of this thread over on the first page of the newer "Classic American West Coast Boxing" thread. Now I hope we can all smile at this innocent mishap and move on. (I've learned a valuable lesson, that's for sure. And I've also learned how to change a thread title, thanks to BoxBuzz, should that ever become necessary. Watch out! :P )

[Expug]

Hey Rick,
As they say across the pond and down under," no worries mate."
As they say where me and Dagosd are from "fuggedabodit."
Ya went to alot of trouble to straighten all this out and its appreciated.
Thanks.
Now lets get back to talkin about boxin eh.

[Robert in NYC]

Shotgun Albarado is in very poor health and has been for the last 7 or so years. He is not at all lucid, he just sits and stares into space. He lives in a facility for people with such conditions.

[bennie]

Shotgun Albarado is in very poor health and has been for the last 7 or so years. He is not at all lucid, he just sits and stares into space. He lives in a facility for people with such conditions.

Sad, sad revelation.

[Brute]

As goes "Indian Red", being a welterweight contender in the Jose Napoles era is what is known as damned unfortunate. Napoles beat a lot of very good welters at the same time that Carlos Monzon was dismembering the middleweights.

What a time.

[ashantycapre]

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[atasahipie1]

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