Witter v Hopkins

[slapbangwhallop]

whats the story here - is it on off or what??

[Poncey]

Hopkins gets thrown out of house by uncle Bernie.

Hopkins leaves Golden Boy Eastside Promotions, which it is believed the deal through Hennessey Sports was made (others could confirm this as it's only rumour).

Then turns down the biggest opportunity of his career.

My feeling is he's playing hardball.

[slapbangwhallop]

Hopkins gets thrown out of house by uncle Bernie.

Hopkins leaves Golden Boy Eastside Promotions, which it is believed the deal through Hennessey Sports was made (others could confirm this as it's only rumour).

Then turns down the biggest opportunity of his career.

My feeling is he's playing hardball.

Yeah I know about the "breakdown in communication"

But was wondering what the latest was

[Poncey]

Hopkins gets thrown out of house by uncle Bernie.

Hopkins leaves Golden Boy Eastside Promotions, which it is believed the deal through Hennessey Sports was made (others could confirm this as it's only rumour).

Then turns down the biggest opportunity of his career.

My feeling is he's playing hardball.

Yeah I know about the "breakdown in communication"

But was wondering what the latest was

It's not on the Golden Boy schedule anymore. But they may have just pulled out, that's all.

[DG.]

Hopkins gets thrown out of house by uncle Bernie.

Hopkins leaves Golden Boy Eastside Promotions, which it is believed the deal through Hennessey Sports was made (others could confirm this as it's only rumour).

Then turns down the biggest opportunity of his career.

My feeling is he's playing hardball.

Yeah I know about the "breakdown in communication"

But was wondering what the latest was

The latest is that Hennessey have offered Hopkins more money (revised deal) and are awaiting his response.

I do not think Hopkins can afford to turn down this fight.

[Poncey]

Hopkins gets thrown out of house by uncle Bernie.

Hopkins leaves Golden Boy Eastside Promotions, which it is believed the deal through Hennessey Sports was made (others could confirm this as it's only rumour).

Then turns down the biggest opportunity of his career.

My feeling is he's playing hardball.

Yeah I know about the "breakdown in communication"

But was wondering what the latest was

The latest is that Hennessey have offered Hopkins more money (revised deal) and are awaiting his response.

I do not think Hopkins can afford to turn down this fight.

DFS have good deals on sofas at the moment, maybe they should offer him lounge furniture as a sweetener.

[DG.]

Yeah I know about the "breakdown in communication"

But was wondering what the latest was

The latest is that Hennessey have offered Hopkins more money (revised deal) and are awaiting his response.

I do not think Hopkins can afford to turn down this fight.

DFS have good deals on sofas at the moment, maybe they should offer him lounge furniture as a sweetener.

Cold!!

[josh fg]

Who is the WBC world No. 1

[states]

From Dan Rafael's notebook on ESPN.com:

"Golden Boy is no longer trying to salvage a March 22 fight between junior welterweight titlist Junior Witter and Demetrius Hopkins, who has had a falling out with the company. Golden Boy hoped to keep the HBO fight together even after Hopkins claimed he was unaware of the offer because a former adviser didn't give him details. Hopkins has since signed with adviser Cameron Dunkin and is going in another direction. Golden Boy tried to make another fight for Witter, but HBO rejected potential opponents such as ex-titleholders Randall Bailey and Lovemore N'Dou and Herman Ngoudjo."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... oxingfeb22

As for the WBC number 1 spot, Timothy Bradley and Jose Luis Castillo were slated, and one point, to fight for the mandatory position. I have no idea if that's still happening or not.

[states]

Ah. Maybe I should read further down Rafael's notebook:

"Jose Luis Castillo, notorious for his trouble making weight, is on target to make 140 pounds for his junior welterweight eliminator against Timothy Bradley Jr. March 8 in Cancun on the Oleg Maskaev-Samuel Peter undercard. During a recent prefight weight check administered by the WBC, which is sanctioning the bout to produce a mandatory challenger for titlist Junior Witter, Castillo (56-8-1, 48 KOs) checked in at 151 pounds; Bradley (21-0, 11 KOs) weighed 148. Bradley, fighting the most notable opponent of his career, made light of Castillo's weight issues. "I'm glad to see that Jose, who has had problems making weight lately, is within the range of our weight limit for this fight. I just hope he laid off the Valentine candy," Bradley said."

[DG.]

From Dan Rafael's notebook on ESPN.com:

"Golden Boy is no longer trying to salvage a March 22 fight between junior welterweight titlist Junior Witter and Demetrius Hopkins, who has had a falling out with the company. Golden Boy hoped to keep the HBO fight together even after Hopkins claimed he was unaware of the offer because a former adviser didn't give him details. Hopkins has since signed with adviser Cameron Dunkin and is going in another direction. Golden Boy tried to make another fight for Witter, but HBO rejected potential opponents such as ex-titleholders Randall Bailey and Lovemore N'Dou and Herman Ngoudjo."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... oxingfeb22

As for the WBC number 1 spot, Timothy Bradley and Jose Luis Castillo were slated, and one point, to fight for the mandatory position. I have no idea if that's still happening or not.

Does not sound good for Witter.

Hopkins may regret not taking his chance.

Pathetic!

[Poncey]

From Dan Rafael's notebook on ESPN.com:

"Golden Boy is no longer trying to salvage a March 22 fight between junior welterweight titlist Junior Witter and Demetrius Hopkins, who has had a falling out with the company. Golden Boy hoped to keep the HBO fight together even after Hopkins claimed he was unaware of the offer because a former adviser didn't give him details. Hopkins has since signed with adviser Cameron Dunkin and is going in another direction. Golden Boy tried to make another fight for Witter, but HBO rejected potential opponents such as ex-titleholders Randall Bailey and Lovemore N'Dou and Herman Ngoudjo."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... oxingfeb22

As for the WBC number 1 spot, Timothy Bradley and Jose Luis Castillo were slated, and one point, to fight for the mandatory position. I have no idea if that's still happening or not.

Does not sound good for Witter.

Hopkins may regret not taking his chance.

Pathetic!

Hopefully Hennessey can get him a UK fight to keep him sharp.

Castillo has been the number 1 since October last year, yet they insist on another mandatory fight to generate more money.

[StepinFetchit]

From Dan Rafael's notebook on ESPN.com:

"Golden Boy is no longer trying to salvage a March 22 fight between junior welterweight titlist Junior Witter and Demetrius Hopkins, who has had a falling out with the company. Golden Boy hoped to keep the HBO fight together even after Hopkins claimed he was unaware of the offer because a former adviser didn't give him details. Hopkins has since signed with adviser Cameron Dunkin and is going in another direction. Golden Boy tried to make another fight for Witter, but HBO rejected potential opponents such as ex-titleholders Randall Bailey and Lovemore N'Dou and Herman Ngoudjo."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... oxingfeb22

As for the WBC number 1 spot, Timothy Bradley and Jose Luis Castillo were slated, and one point, to fight for the mandatory position. I have no idea if that's still happening or not.

Does not sound good for Witter.

Hopkins may regret not taking his chance.

Pathetic!

Hopefully Hennessey can get him a UK fight to keep him sharp.

Castillo has been the number 1 since October last year, yet they insist on another mandatory fight to generate more money.

It should be obvious to all now....no one at 140 wants a peice of Witter, Witters gonna have to smash up Pauline Faginsally and then he's got them all in a corner.

[DG.]

From Dan Rafael's notebook on ESPN.com:

"Golden Boy is no longer trying to salvage a March 22 fight between junior welterweight titlist Junior Witter and Demetrius Hopkins, who has had a falling out with the company. Golden Boy hoped to keep the HBO fight together even after Hopkins claimed he was unaware of the offer because a former adviser didn't give him details. Hopkins has since signed with adviser Cameron Dunkin and is going in another direction. Golden Boy tried to make another fight for Witter, but HBO rejected potential opponents such as ex-titleholders Randall Bailey and Lovemore N'Dou and Herman Ngoudjo."

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... oxingfeb22

As for the WBC number 1 spot, Timothy Bradley and Jose Luis Castillo were slated, and one point, to fight for the mandatory position. I have no idea if that's still happening or not.

Does not sound good for Witter.

Hopkins may regret not taking his chance.

Pathetic!

Hopefully Hennessey can get him a UK fight to keep him sharp.

Castillo has been the number 1 since October last year, yet they insist on another mandatory fight to generate more money.

Bad luck for Witter!

When will this guy get a break?

[tonyevs]

Looks like even by winning a world title things aren`t going to be any easier for Junior ..
Without the big names in the other corner there won`t be much interest from the tv companies .. and without tv interest there will be less interest on his bank balance also

Some have said more belts are a good thing because it means more fighters get to fight for the title; the belt isn`t idle and contenders are given their chance.
Down side is though, the contenders can choose who to challenge .. and who to not :(

Bad news for Junior.

[SticknMove]

Bad news indeed for Witter. He has paid his dues and deserves much more from the game than has presented itself. He is an avoided fighter and unfortunately for him that will be the way it will probably stay.

[Horse]

Bad news indeed for Witter. He has paid his dues and deserves much more from the game than has presented itself. He is an avoided fighter and unfortunately for him that will be the way it will probably stay.

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

[DG.]

Bad news indeed for Witter. He has paid his dues and deserves much more from the game than has presented itself. He is an avoided fighter and unfortunately for him that will be the way it will probably stay.

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

The last fight was his best performance and as they say, you are only as god as your last fight.

Remind me, what was the outcome of Hattons last fight?

Witter has never put on a performance anywhere near as bad as Hatton vs Urango.

Even Wrestlers would be ashamed, John Ruiz called for Hatton to be dq'd!

[n1ebf]

Bad news indeed for Witter. He has paid his dues and deserves much more from the game than has presented itself. He is an avoided fighter and unfortunately for him that will be the way it will probably stay.

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

despite the enthusiasm for Witter by myself and DG and the like......well, me and DG anyway....you are in fact correct Horse to an extent.

Hatton wants to keep out Witter's road and that's all there is to it. And why not? He has every right to!!
He's MINTED now and this is a guy from a Manchester backwoods (no disrespect I'm just going off Hatton's own media coverage here) who confessed to be "happy to just be boxing for the British title".....Ricky Hatton proved he has balls when he did John Thaxton and Eamonn Magee to name just two.

I wouldn't go as far as to make this argument say, 5 or 6 years ago, or even 2 or 3 years ago.....but it makes no sense at all for super rich Ricky to jump in there with Witter for a potential shocking KO defeat, no sense whatsoever. The fact is he doesn't feel confident about the task IMO and that's why he wants nowt to do with it. There's at least another 3 or 4 million on the table for him for fighting Witter and we all know he likes the money so the ONLY reason he ain't interested is cos Witter stands to brutally KO him. That and so Witter doesn't get a good payday, which IMO is spiteful and not in keeping with the spirit of the game.

Witter wants to save some face now. He's called Hatton out loud and clear and that's as much as he can do, not to mention the excellent job done on Harris.

Witter should make a mental note as follows "F*ck that Ricky Hatton, I'm gonna do this myself". After all, didn't Hatton have to do just that. So what if he "only retires with half a mil instead of 10 mil". That'll buy a decent sized pad and the interest alone will pay his way. And years later he won't be the one waking up and looking in the mirror and seeing a man looking back at him who ducked his big domestic rival. That's what Hatton will be waking up to.

I think one other thing is very worth pointing out here too. Hatton is a man who comes from very near to a huge city who has an affinity with the local football club, who let's be honest have had f*ck all to sing about in decades.......there's 100,000 supporters right there!! Like others have pointed out, there's a massive element of Ricky Hatton fans who are basically football fans (well City fans anyway)....I know this cos I've watched Hatton's own brother box at the MEN in front of ten men and a jack russell and they were all in the pub, not round the ring!! (and I weren't supporting Magic "where's he disappeared to" Matthew neither thanks very much.
Now compare that to Witter, who correct me if I'm wrong is from heavily Asian and Black Bradford.....Basically he's got no lifelong affinity with Bradford FC and many of the Asians are probably more up for the cricket as it tends to be their preference over the footie.
Who's more likely to go and get pissed and shout and cheer about 2 blokes knocking lumps out of each other.....the cricket fan or the mix of football fans/yobbo's.

That's as likely a factor why Hatton draws more fans than Witter as any. Not rocket science.

[SticknMove]

Bad news indeed for Witter. He has paid his dues and deserves much more from the game than has presented itself. He is an avoided fighter and unfortunately for him that will be the way it will probably stay.

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

I disagree. Witter has made the most of his opportunities post Judah and has every right to be aggrieved. The realities of the sport dictate who fights who, where and when. I have and always will admire the persona that Hatton presents (no matter how many £s he has in the bank) but it is not good for the sport in general when the recognised No.1 totally dismisses the only meaningful rival at a weight where he is both suited and should stay.

[tonyevs]

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

That hits the nail on the head really

He`s a decent fighter .. who basically isn`t going to give you a decent payday in relation to the risk...and he`s either hot or very .. very cold to the viewing public .. watch his fights .. most are fall asleep jobs

I`m not sold on the Harris win like some on here are .. didn`t Maussa KO him .. and that win is basically where all the Witter hysteria is coming from.

Whats stopping him doing what Hatton did and crossing the water and making oppurtunities instead of expecting them to be offered to him .. if hatton can do it - then why not Witter?

[n1ebf]

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

That hits the nail on the head really

He`s a decent fighter .. who basically isn`t going to give you a decent payday in relation to the risk...and he`s either hot or very .. very cold to the viewing public .. watch his fights .. most are fall asleep jobs

I`m not sold on the Harris win like some on here are .. didn`t Maussa KO him .. and that win is basically where all the Witter hysteria is coming from.

Whats stopping him doing what Hatton did and crossing the water and making oppurtunities instead of expecting them to be offered to him .. if hatton can do it - then why not Witter?

well your last point is what I've just said too Tony, there's no reason at all Witter shouldn't have to do exactly what Hatton did.

as regards buying into Witter after KO-ing Harris. Personally I consider 15 KO wins on the spin worthy of a shot myself.

I doubt Hatton could have taken on Judah at 5 minutes notice and gone 12 rounds even if it was a bore fest. Yeah only cos the then super-hot Judah couldn't do owt with him. He'd have KO'd Hatton a-la- Mayweather. In fact Hatton would never have been able to burn the pies off with the amount of notice Witter had!

[SticknMove]

Witter has not made the most of his opportunities. He often puts in poor performances and in doing so has failed to gain a following, which means he is more trouble than he is worth for most name fighters. Junior Witter is not blameless for the position he is in now.

That hits the nail on the head really

He`s a decent fighter .. who basically isn`t going to give you a decent payday in relation to the risk...and he`s either hot or very .. very cold to the viewing public .. watch his fights .. most are fall asleep jobs

I`m not sold on the Harris win like some on here are .. didn`t Maussa KO him .. and that win is basically where all the Witter hysteria is coming from.

Whats stopping him doing what Hatton did and crossing the water and making oppurtunities instead of expecting them to be offered to him .. if hatton can do it - then why not Witter?

It's called integrity tonyevs. Sure Witter and Hatton are very good fghters at world title level, but neither are exceptional either. There shouldn't be any Witter hysteria or Hatton overrating just a well balanced matchup at the top end in a shallow division.

[DG.]

Bottom line is:

Hatton thinks he will lose to Witter.

Hatton is a fraudulent contradiction riddled football fans fcuk boxing money loving Ring Post head butting overrated forever ridiculed for not fighting Witter 30 years from now scab riddled drunk.

Pathetic.

Lets hope more people get behind David Haye, he fights for the Fans.

[Chambers2]

Boxing is a plain ridiculous sport at times