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Rick Farris
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E Gato . . .
Hey Guys . . .
Just spoke to Rodolfo Gonzalez, and his lady Barbara. They will be posting Sunday nite, manana. I wish I knew how to post a copy of Rodolfo's career record. Hey Frank, do you know how?
Those of us familiar with the names that made headlines, below the border in the 60's, will find "El Gatos" record particularly impressive.
Dagos, Frank & I have been close to "El Gato" in recent years, and have found great friendship with the former WBC World Champ. I'm confident, knowing the posters on this thread, that something already good is going to get a lot better.
Remember, Rodolfo isn't just a former world champ, but one that accomplished soemthing that NO other world champ can claim- 35 consecutive KO's!
What Rodolfo will bring, is something beyond his own career, that of his cousin, former bantam champ Jose Beccera and his close friend, former flywt. champ "Alacran" Torres. Just two of many Mexican legends that "El Gato" will introduce to us.
Personally, this is where I start to archive posts, print them out, etc. This is REAL history!
-Rick
Just spoke to Rodolfo Gonzalez, and his lady Barbara. They will be posting Sunday nite, manana. I wish I knew how to post a copy of Rodolfo's career record. Hey Frank, do you know how?
Those of us familiar with the names that made headlines, below the border in the 60's, will find "El Gatos" record particularly impressive.
Dagos, Frank & I have been close to "El Gato" in recent years, and have found great friendship with the former WBC World Champ. I'm confident, knowing the posters on this thread, that something already good is going to get a lot better.
Remember, Rodolfo isn't just a former world champ, but one that accomplished soemthing that NO other world champ can claim- 35 consecutive KO's!
What Rodolfo will bring, is something beyond his own career, that of his cousin, former bantam champ Jose Beccera and his close friend, former flywt. champ "Alacran" Torres. Just two of many Mexican legends that "El Gato" will introduce to us.
Personally, this is where I start to archive posts, print them out, etc. This is REAL history!
-Rick
Rodolfo Gonzalez
Alias El Gato
Country Mexico
Global Id 43719
Hometown Long Beach, CA
Birthplace Guadalajara, JA
Division Lightweight
Born 1945-12-16
Stance Orthodox
Height 175cm
Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com
Date Opponent Location Result
1974-11-28 Guts Ishimatsu Osaka, Japan L KO 12
WBC Lightweight Title
1974-08-26 Clemente Mucino Tijuana, Mexico W KO 2
1974-04-11 Guts Ishimatsu Tokyo, Japan L KO 8
WBC Lightweight Title
1973-10-27 Antonio Puddu Los Angeles, USA W TKO 10
WBC Lightweight Title
1973-08-30 Don Sennett Los Angeles, USA W TKO 3
1973-03-17 Ruben Navarro Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
WBC Lightweight Title
1972-12-16 Jose Acosta Monterrey, Mexico W KO 1
1972-11-10 Chango Carmona Los Angeles, USA W TKO 13
WBC Lightweight Title
1972-07-31 Ruben Navarro Anaheim, USA W MD 10
1972-04-27 Jimmy Robertson Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1972-03-16 Chun Kyo Shin Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1972-02-24 Manuel Leal Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1971-12-11 Nick Aghai Long Beach, USA W UD 10
1971-10-02 Juan Collado Northridge, USA W MD 10
1971-06-02 Beto Gonzalez Sacramento, USA W PTS 10
1971-04-26 Ernesto Villaflor Honolulu, USA W KO 2
1970-12-17 Antonio Cervantes Los Angeles, USA L TKO 8
1970-05-07 Fermin Soto Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1969-11-11 Javier Jimenez San Antonio, USA W TKO 6
1969-08-28 Steve Freeman Los Angeles, USA W TKO 5
1969-07-03 Julio Viera Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1969-05-15 Juan Collado Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
1969-04-17 Pete Gonzalez Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1968-12-19 Rene Macias Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
1968-10-03 Ray Adigun Los Angeles, USA W TKO 10
1967-07-19 Jose Claudio Adame Long Beach, USA W KO 7
1967-05-10 Ramon Sarmiento Long Beach, USA W KO 1
1967-02-09 Marcello Cid Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1966-11-10 Daniel Valdez Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1966-10-13 Alton Colter Las Vegas, USA L PTS 10
1966-09-01 Ray Coleman Las Vegas, USA W KO 4
1966-08-11 Raul Carreon Las Vegas, USA W PTS 8
1966-07-07 Ray Coleman Las Vegas, USA W PTS 6
1966-05-20 Bobby Valdez San Bernardino, USA L KO 9
1965-12-02 Bobby Valdez Los Angeles, USA D TD 1
1965-11-18 Bobby Valdez Los Angeles, USA L PTS 5
1963-02-15 Licho Guerrero Los Angeles, USA L TKO 10
1962-09-01 Babe Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 1
1962-08-23 Babe Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 8
1962-08-03 Alfredo Sanchez Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1962-07-27 Javier Garcia Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1962-06-19 Ramon Gutierrez Mazatlan, Mexico W KO 1
1962-05-09 Diablito Campos Mazatlan, Mexico W TKO 9
1962-03-26 Evaristo Perez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 1
1962-02-19 Generalito Nunez Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 4
1962-01-20 Jose Perez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1961-12-08 Evaristo Perez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-11-14 Jose Luis Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 2
1961-10-18 Ramon Cabiedes Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 9
1961-09-17 Paco Gomez Mazatlan, Mexico W TKO 10
1961-08-28 Jose Estrada Tepic, Mexico W KO 1
1961-08-14 El Chapo Lopez Tepic, Mexico W KO 4
1961-07-29 Jose Luis Castillo Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-07-12 Jose Luis Castillo Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-06-07 El Pecas Garcia Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1961-05-16 Ruben Ramirez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1961-04-21 Antonio Luna Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1961-04-03 Jose Rojas Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1961-03-19 Salvador Vanuelos Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-03-02 Felipe Sanchez San Miguel, Mexico W KO 2
1961-02-14 Guadalupe Vargas Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-01-29 Jesus Sanchez Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 3
1961-01-12 Rosendo Fernandez Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 1
1960-12-03 Vaquero Montoya Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1960-11-16 Topo Garcia Tequila, Mexico W KO 1
1960-10-30 Gregorio Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1960-10-06 Jose Rodriguez Tequila, Mexico W KO 3
1960-09-14 Kid Irapuato Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 6
1960-08-28 Serafin Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 4
1960-08-10 Torito Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 4
1960-07-17 Jose Vargas Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1960-06-24 Roberto Nuno Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1960-05-30 Gregorio Garcia Tepic, Mexico W KO 1
1960-05-19 Tony Rodriguez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1960-05-05 Saul Pacheco Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 2
1960-04-28 Vicente Ruiz Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1960-04-17 Roberto Nuno Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1960-03-27 Jose Munos Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1960-03-14 David Rodriguez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1960-03-06 Javier Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1960-02-28 Antonio Luna Atemajac, Mexico W KO 6
1960-02-18 Juan Arias Guanajuato, Mexico W KO 1
1960-02-04 Jose Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1960-01-18 Roberto Aguilar Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 2
1960-01-03 Miguel Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1959-12-14 Raul Acevez Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 3
1959-11-28 Delfino Garcia Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1959-11-17 Albino Sanchez Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1959-11-02 Javier Garcia Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
Record to Date
Won 81 (KOs 71) Lost 7 Drawn 1 Total 89
Alias El Gato
Country Mexico
Global Id 43719
Hometown Long Beach, CA
Birthplace Guadalajara, JA
Division Lightweight
Born 1945-12-16
Stance Orthodox
Height 175cm
Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com
Date Opponent Location Result
1974-11-28 Guts Ishimatsu Osaka, Japan L KO 12
WBC Lightweight Title
1974-08-26 Clemente Mucino Tijuana, Mexico W KO 2
1974-04-11 Guts Ishimatsu Tokyo, Japan L KO 8
WBC Lightweight Title
1973-10-27 Antonio Puddu Los Angeles, USA W TKO 10
WBC Lightweight Title
1973-08-30 Don Sennett Los Angeles, USA W TKO 3
1973-03-17 Ruben Navarro Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
WBC Lightweight Title
1972-12-16 Jose Acosta Monterrey, Mexico W KO 1
1972-11-10 Chango Carmona Los Angeles, USA W TKO 13
WBC Lightweight Title
1972-07-31 Ruben Navarro Anaheim, USA W MD 10
1972-04-27 Jimmy Robertson Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1972-03-16 Chun Kyo Shin Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1972-02-24 Manuel Leal Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1971-12-11 Nick Aghai Long Beach, USA W UD 10
1971-10-02 Juan Collado Northridge, USA W MD 10
1971-06-02 Beto Gonzalez Sacramento, USA W PTS 10
1971-04-26 Ernesto Villaflor Honolulu, USA W KO 2
1970-12-17 Antonio Cervantes Los Angeles, USA L TKO 8
1970-05-07 Fermin Soto Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1969-11-11 Javier Jimenez San Antonio, USA W TKO 6
1969-08-28 Steve Freeman Los Angeles, USA W TKO 5
1969-07-03 Julio Viera Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1969-05-15 Juan Collado Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
1969-04-17 Pete Gonzalez Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1968-12-19 Rene Macias Los Angeles, USA W TKO 9
1968-10-03 Ray Adigun Los Angeles, USA W TKO 10
1967-07-19 Jose Claudio Adame Long Beach, USA W KO 7
1967-05-10 Ramon Sarmiento Long Beach, USA W KO 1
1967-02-09 Marcello Cid Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1966-11-10 Daniel Valdez Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1966-10-13 Alton Colter Las Vegas, USA L PTS 10
1966-09-01 Ray Coleman Las Vegas, USA W KO 4
1966-08-11 Raul Carreon Las Vegas, USA W PTS 8
1966-07-07 Ray Coleman Las Vegas, USA W PTS 6
1966-05-20 Bobby Valdez San Bernardino, USA L KO 9
1965-12-02 Bobby Valdez Los Angeles, USA D TD 1
1965-11-18 Bobby Valdez Los Angeles, USA L PTS 5
1963-02-15 Licho Guerrero Los Angeles, USA L TKO 10
1962-09-01 Babe Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 1
1962-08-23 Babe Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 8
1962-08-03 Alfredo Sanchez Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1962-07-27 Javier Garcia Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1962-06-19 Ramon Gutierrez Mazatlan, Mexico W KO 1
1962-05-09 Diablito Campos Mazatlan, Mexico W TKO 9
1962-03-26 Evaristo Perez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 1
1962-02-19 Generalito Nunez Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 4
1962-01-20 Jose Perez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1961-12-08 Evaristo Perez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-11-14 Jose Luis Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 2
1961-10-18 Ramon Cabiedes Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 9
1961-09-17 Paco Gomez Mazatlan, Mexico W TKO 10
1961-08-28 Jose Estrada Tepic, Mexico W KO 1
1961-08-14 El Chapo Lopez Tepic, Mexico W KO 4
1961-07-29 Jose Luis Castillo Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-07-12 Jose Luis Castillo Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-06-07 El Pecas Garcia Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1961-05-16 Ruben Ramirez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1961-04-21 Antonio Luna Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1961-04-03 Jose Rojas Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1961-03-19 Salvador Vanuelos Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-03-02 Felipe Sanchez San Miguel, Mexico W KO 2
1961-02-14 Guadalupe Vargas Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1961-01-29 Jesus Sanchez Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 3
1961-01-12 Rosendo Fernandez Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 1
1960-12-03 Vaquero Montoya Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1960-11-16 Topo Garcia Tequila, Mexico W KO 1
1960-10-30 Gregorio Lopez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1960-10-06 Jose Rodriguez Tequila, Mexico W KO 3
1960-09-14 Kid Irapuato Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 6
1960-08-28 Serafin Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 4
1960-08-10 Torito Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 4
1960-07-17 Jose Vargas Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1960-06-24 Roberto Nuno Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 3
1960-05-30 Gregorio Garcia Tepic, Mexico W KO 1
1960-05-19 Tony Rodriguez Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 4
1960-05-05 Saul Pacheco Ixtlán de los Hervores, W KO 2
1960-04-28 Vicente Ruiz Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1960-04-17 Roberto Nuno Guadalajara, Mexico W KO 2
1960-03-27 Jose Munos Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1960-03-14 David Rodriguez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1960-03-06 Javier Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1960-02-28 Antonio Luna Atemajac, Mexico W KO 6
1960-02-18 Juan Arias Guanajuato, Mexico W KO 1
1960-02-04 Jose Garcia Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 1
1960-01-18 Roberto Aguilar Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 2
1960-01-03 Miguel Lopez Jiquilpan, Mexico W KO 3
1959-12-14 Raul Acevez Yurécuaro, Mexico W KO 3
1959-11-28 Delfino Garcia Atemajac, Mexico W KO 2
1959-11-17 Albino Sanchez Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
1959-11-02 Javier Garcia Atotonilco, Mexico W KO 1
Record to Date
Won 81 (KOs 71) Lost 7 Drawn 1 Total 89
Re: Dagos . . .
Great story on Kid Rayo.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick and Frank,Thanks for giving me some info on Kid Rayo. Honest to God when he stepped into the ring that night against Castro,I thought they made this guy up. Later I looked up his career. Talk about a journeyman. Taking a fight on short notice. I bet ExPug could imagine him in Fat City. To tell you the truth,it's guys like Rayo that draw me to the sport. Somewhere,sometime,I don't know for sure,fighters like Rayo should get their just rewards.Rick Farris wrote:Dagos . . .
I remember Kid Rayo from the Main St. Gym during the 60's. This guy fought everybody, anywhere.
Last time I saw Kid Rayo was in the late 90's, when he was working as a coach/staff member of the LAYAC, which was the Johnny Flores Gym on the top floor of the old Lincoln Heights City Jail.
I spoke with Rayo, and he remembered me from the gym. He told me some very interesting things about Babe McCoy,and what happened to him when he didn't follow instructions. It was a matter of being black balled world wide, even in his home country of Nicaragua.
"Babe McCoy warned me that he had long arms, and I wouldn't be able to fight anywhere, under any name. He was right".
Interesting conversation we had. This was a couple years after Johnnie Flores had died, after an accident in the elevator shaft of the jail house.
By the way, Dagos, I am totally into your great stories. Lots of great info, and entertaining.
-Rick Farris
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
Re: E Gato . . .
Fantastic news.Rick Farris wrote:Hey Guys . . .
Just spoke to Rodolfo Gonzalez, and his lady Barbara. They will be posting Sunday nite, manana. I wish I knew how to post a copy of Rodolfo's career record. Hey Frank, do you know how?
Those of us familiar with the names that made headlines, below the border in the 60's, will find "El Gatos" record particularly impressive.
Dagos, Frank & I have been close to "El Gato" in recent years, and have found great friendship with the former WBC World Champ. I'm confident, knowing the posters on this thread, that something already good is going to get a lot better.
Remember, Rodolfo isn't just a former world champ, but one that accomplished soemthing that NO other world champ can claim- 35 consecutive KO's!
What Rodolfo will bring, is something beyond his own career, that of his cousin, former bantam champ Jose Beccera and his close friend, former flywt. champ "Alacran" Torres. Just two of many Mexican legends that "El Gato" will introduce to us.
Personally, this is where I start to archive posts, print them out, etc. This is REAL history!
-Rick
Thankyou Rick.
The best fighters I've seen (Gans, Fitzsimmons, etc) PUSHED OFF to break every clinch.dagosd2000 wrote: Castro steps back and drops his hands.
That means you are pushing your opponent off balance so he can't hurt you even if he does throw a punch on the break.
Also your arms are out and your shoulders surround your face,
so a punch thrown at you would wrap around your arm on either side
and your shoulders in that position guard your jaw/head.
Speaking of tapping, how about Larry Hazzard coming up behind Vonzell Johnson and tapping Johnson on the behind, then shooting away
so Michael Spinks (who could see Hazzard coming up behind Johnson)
hits Johnson and knocks him down when Johnson steps back
(Johnson thinking the ref must have touched both fighters and was tapping to break a clinch).
Hazzard then ran in with a grin and stopped the fight.
And what 'referee' was it who got paid off in $100 bills by Butch Lewis in the dressing room immediately after some Atlantic City fights, right in front of the sparring partners lined up waiting for their pay?
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dagosd2000
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31
He sure was a dreamboat. His name was Rosendo Ruvalcaba. Once in a while when I'm walking around downtown Tijuana I'll see a fight poster with that name on it,so I figure it must be his son. But the father is the one I want to mention. My father once was thinking of handling him,but backed off when he saw that Rosendo was more interested in combing his hair than doing road work. He was tall for a welter and had a long reach.My father always looked for that in a fighter. You hear it all the time"height reach advantage". Kronk fighters are pretty much like that.
There was a big fight in the bull ring downtown. Romeo Anaya was on the card along with the Flyweight Champ, Borkorsor from Thailand ,who was matched against Julio Guererro. Ruvalcaba was fighting the opener,a 6 rounder against a Puerto Rican kid named Papo Villa. I grab a program,and Rosendo's face is on the cover. He's got this deep penetrating look. He resembles Fernando Lamas. Popular,good looking,local boy,and undefeated. Put him on the cover.
It's a good crowd and Rosendo gets a big hand as a climbs into the ring. Villa is standing next to him and he's not close to being Fernando Lamas. He's a short scruffy looking guy. I see he fights out of New York so I figure he's been in some pretty good gym wars.
The fight starts off and you can see that Villa wants to get under Ruvalcaba's jab and work inside. Villa's giving Ruvalcaba problems. Villa is throwing a lot of punches from different angles,and Ruvalcaba doesn't know how to deal with it. I'm thinking a little more time in the gym and less time in the barber's chair. Into the last frame Ruvalcaba hasn't won a round. Then bingo! Villa nails him with a right hand on the chin that must have hit a nerve. Ruvalcaba loses his legs and is waddling around the ring like a duck. Villa goes in for the kill ,but before he can land anything ,Ruvalcaba falls down. Now the crowd is laughing. Ruvalcaba tries to get up,but falls against the ropes. The referee waves it off. The crowd isn't done laughing yet. I'm thinking, I never saw Fernando Lamas do that in a movie.
There was a big fight in the bull ring downtown. Romeo Anaya was on the card along with the Flyweight Champ, Borkorsor from Thailand ,who was matched against Julio Guererro. Ruvalcaba was fighting the opener,a 6 rounder against a Puerto Rican kid named Papo Villa. I grab a program,and Rosendo's face is on the cover. He's got this deep penetrating look. He resembles Fernando Lamas. Popular,good looking,local boy,and undefeated. Put him on the cover.
It's a good crowd and Rosendo gets a big hand as a climbs into the ring. Villa is standing next to him and he's not close to being Fernando Lamas. He's a short scruffy looking guy. I see he fights out of New York so I figure he's been in some pretty good gym wars.
The fight starts off and you can see that Villa wants to get under Ruvalcaba's jab and work inside. Villa's giving Ruvalcaba problems. Villa is throwing a lot of punches from different angles,and Ruvalcaba doesn't know how to deal with it. I'm thinking a little more time in the gym and less time in the barber's chair. Into the last frame Ruvalcaba hasn't won a round. Then bingo! Villa nails him with a right hand on the chin that must have hit a nerve. Ruvalcaba loses his legs and is waddling around the ring like a duck. Villa goes in for the kill ,but before he can land anything ,Ruvalcaba falls down. Now the crowd is laughing. Ruvalcaba tries to get up,but falls against the ropes. The referee waves it off. The crowd isn't done laughing yet. I'm thinking, I never saw Fernando Lamas do that in a movie.
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By Randy De La O
From his Blog
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez III: The Results
It was another good night for boxing tonight at The Home Depot Center in Carson, California, as WBC Super bantamweight Champ Israel Vazquez and challenger Rafael Marquez concluded their exciting trilogy with a 12 round split decision in favor of Vazquez. Personally, I thought it should have been a unanimous decision for Vazquez. It was also a star studded night with several celebrities in attendance. Jack Nicholson, Sylvester Stallone, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mario Lopez and many other sports stars were on hand but it was Julio Cesar Chavez that drew the biggest applause from the fans.
When the fight started Marquez was chomping at the bit, anxious to get the fight started. During the introductions Vazquez was inexplicably and undeservedly booed by the majority of fans. Once the round started Marquez was working the left hook both to the body and to the head, though Vazquez was landing the right hand on Marquez chin. Marquez appeared to land the harder punches. I thought Marquez won the round but it could have gone either way.
It seemed to go back and forth until the fourth round when Vazquez was dropped by a flurry of punches from the heavier handed Marquez. He tried to remain upright but his legs just wouldn’t hold him up. Vazquez gamely got up, and recaptured the round. It was still anyone’s fight but Vazquez began to take control. Vazquez was outworking Marquez, but Marquez was landing the harder shots. As I saw the fight, Vazquez seemed to win every round from the fifth on up, with Marquez possibly stealing a few with some solid punching at the end of the rounds, which might account for the split decision. There were at least three low blows landed by Marquez that appeared to me to be accidental, still referee pat Russell was justified in deducting a point from him. Several times during the fight Marquez buckled Vazquez with the left hook.
It would have been easy for Vazquez to assume he had the fight wrapped up and coast to a victory in the twelfth round. Instead he chose to put an exclamation point on the fight, and the trilogy, by going for a knockout and dropping Marquez late in the round. It was a great round. By the fights end the crowd that had earlier booed Vazquez was now cheering him on, and booing Marquez for holding. Vazquez won a hard fought split decision. The Scores were 113-112, 114-111 Vazquez, 114-111 Marquez.
With IBF featherweight Champ Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero winning his fight last night by stopping Jason Litzau in the eighth round and Jhonny Gonzalez needing only two rounds to stop Jovanny Urbina last night in Chihuahua, Mexico, there are several potential fights looming on the horizon. The smaller guys don’t always make the big money, but they always earn their money, plus they give the fans their moneys worth.
From his Blog
Israel Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez III: The Results
It was another good night for boxing tonight at The Home Depot Center in Carson, California, as WBC Super bantamweight Champ Israel Vazquez and challenger Rafael Marquez concluded their exciting trilogy with a 12 round split decision in favor of Vazquez. Personally, I thought it should have been a unanimous decision for Vazquez. It was also a star studded night with several celebrities in attendance. Jack Nicholson, Sylvester Stallone, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mario Lopez and many other sports stars were on hand but it was Julio Cesar Chavez that drew the biggest applause from the fans.
When the fight started Marquez was chomping at the bit, anxious to get the fight started. During the introductions Vazquez was inexplicably and undeservedly booed by the majority of fans. Once the round started Marquez was working the left hook both to the body and to the head, though Vazquez was landing the right hand on Marquez chin. Marquez appeared to land the harder punches. I thought Marquez won the round but it could have gone either way.
It seemed to go back and forth until the fourth round when Vazquez was dropped by a flurry of punches from the heavier handed Marquez. He tried to remain upright but his legs just wouldn’t hold him up. Vazquez gamely got up, and recaptured the round. It was still anyone’s fight but Vazquez began to take control. Vazquez was outworking Marquez, but Marquez was landing the harder shots. As I saw the fight, Vazquez seemed to win every round from the fifth on up, with Marquez possibly stealing a few with some solid punching at the end of the rounds, which might account for the split decision. There were at least three low blows landed by Marquez that appeared to me to be accidental, still referee pat Russell was justified in deducting a point from him. Several times during the fight Marquez buckled Vazquez with the left hook.
It would have been easy for Vazquez to assume he had the fight wrapped up and coast to a victory in the twelfth round. Instead he chose to put an exclamation point on the fight, and the trilogy, by going for a knockout and dropping Marquez late in the round. It was a great round. By the fights end the crowd that had earlier booed Vazquez was now cheering him on, and booing Marquez for holding. Vazquez won a hard fought split decision. The Scores were 113-112, 114-111 Vazquez, 114-111 Marquez.
With IBF featherweight Champ Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero winning his fight last night by stopping Jason Litzau in the eighth round and Jhonny Gonzalez needing only two rounds to stop Jovanny Urbina last night in Chihuahua, Mexico, there are several potential fights looming on the horizon. The smaller guys don’t always make the big money, but they always earn their money, plus they give the fans their moneys worth.
Vazquez rally tops Marquez
The Huntington Park resident overcomes an early knockdown to claim WBC title.
By Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 2, 2008
Israel Vazquez has made a career of picking himself up off the canvas, and the Mexico native who resides in Huntington Park did it again Saturday to remain a champion.
A disputed decision by the referee in Vazquez's favor didn't hurt.
In another stirring chapter of Vazquez's trilogy of bouts against Mexico's Rafael Marquez, Vazquez overcame a fourth-round knockdown to knock down Marquez in a dominating 12th round that sealed his split-decision comeback victory in the World Boxing Council super-bantamweight title at a sold-out Home Depot Center in Carson.
Judge Max De Luca awarded Vazquez a 114-111 decision, judge Tom Kaczmarek had Marquez winning 114-111, and judge James Jen Kin gave Vazquez a deciding 113-112 edge.
Not only did Vazquez's 12th-round knockout in the fight's waning seconds prove crucial, so did the 10th-round decision by referee Pat Russell to deduct a point from Marquez after a low blow. Russell scolded Marquez twice previously about low blows.
The deduction turned a 10-9 victory by Marquez on all three judges' cards into a 9-9 round.
Judge Jen Kin would've had Marquez ahead by three points with two rounds to go. Instead, Vazquez (43-4) won the 11th round on Jen Kin's card, then claimed a 10-8 edge in the 12th thanks to the knockdown.
"It was a continuous thing," Russell said in the ring after the decision was read to a pro-Marquez crowd of 8,014. "Finally, I had to take a point away. It's always very difficult to do, especially in a tough fight. But I had to do what I have to do to be fair. It was an easy decision."
Marquez (37-5) lashed out at Russell's call, and the judges' decision.
"I felt I won. . . . I hit him on the belt line," in the 10th, Marquez said. Marquez' promoter, Gary Shaw, said he would appeal the decision to the World Boxing Council on Monday.
Vazquez, however, had his own spin, arguing Russell "allowed so many illegal hits . . . he hit me low from the beginning of the fight."
He also contended that Russell should've stopped the fight and awarded him a technical knockout victory when he capped his 12th-round onslaught of Marquez with the knockdown with less than three seconds remaining.
After the timekeeper slapped the mat signaling 10 seconds remaining, Vazquez backed Marquez to the ropes with a hard left hook and buried a right to his head as Russell dodged in to stop the assault and start an eight-count.
Both fighters raised their arms in triumph at the bell, ending a 25-round series that began in this same location last March.
Marquez won that first fight when Vazquez failed to answer the bell for the eighth round because of a badly damaged nose. In the August rematch in Texas, Vazquez returned to win by sixth-round technical knockout -- a bout that has been called the fight of the year and the round of the year for the classic exchanges that left both wobbled.
There was more of the same immediately on Saturday, as Marquez peppered Vazquez with jabs and came back from jarring blows in the first two rounds.
Marquez then planted Vazquez on the canvas with a stiff right in the fourth.
"Some of his shots stunned me," Vazquez said afterward. "Raffy did a good job keeping his distance, moving his feet."
By the 12th, Vazquez, who required 30 stitches to close three eye cuts, admitted his trainer "was saying that I was behind on the scorecard."
Desperation worked, as Vazquez punished Marquez with rights set up by jabs, and other combinations that twice forced Marquez to hold on and stop the action.
"I gave it my all, I had to make a statement at the end," Vazquez said. "It was 12 intense rounds. The last round was decisive."
Vazquez earned $800,000 and Marquez $400,000, according to the California State Athletic Commission.
In a locker room afterward, Vazquez said, "If they want a fourth fight, I'd be glad to give it to him. Raffy is a worthy rival. And he demonstrated that tonight."
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The Huntington Park resident overcomes an early knockdown to claim WBC title.
By Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 2, 2008
Israel Vazquez has made a career of picking himself up off the canvas, and the Mexico native who resides in Huntington Park did it again Saturday to remain a champion.
A disputed decision by the referee in Vazquez's favor didn't hurt.
In another stirring chapter of Vazquez's trilogy of bouts against Mexico's Rafael Marquez, Vazquez overcame a fourth-round knockdown to knock down Marquez in a dominating 12th round that sealed his split-decision comeback victory in the World Boxing Council super-bantamweight title at a sold-out Home Depot Center in Carson.
Judge Max De Luca awarded Vazquez a 114-111 decision, judge Tom Kaczmarek had Marquez winning 114-111, and judge James Jen Kin gave Vazquez a deciding 113-112 edge.
Not only did Vazquez's 12th-round knockout in the fight's waning seconds prove crucial, so did the 10th-round decision by referee Pat Russell to deduct a point from Marquez after a low blow. Russell scolded Marquez twice previously about low blows.
The deduction turned a 10-9 victory by Marquez on all three judges' cards into a 9-9 round.
Judge Jen Kin would've had Marquez ahead by three points with two rounds to go. Instead, Vazquez (43-4) won the 11th round on Jen Kin's card, then claimed a 10-8 edge in the 12th thanks to the knockdown.
"It was a continuous thing," Russell said in the ring after the decision was read to a pro-Marquez crowd of 8,014. "Finally, I had to take a point away. It's always very difficult to do, especially in a tough fight. But I had to do what I have to do to be fair. It was an easy decision."
Marquez (37-5) lashed out at Russell's call, and the judges' decision.
"I felt I won. . . . I hit him on the belt line," in the 10th, Marquez said. Marquez' promoter, Gary Shaw, said he would appeal the decision to the World Boxing Council on Monday.
Vazquez, however, had his own spin, arguing Russell "allowed so many illegal hits . . . he hit me low from the beginning of the fight."
He also contended that Russell should've stopped the fight and awarded him a technical knockout victory when he capped his 12th-round onslaught of Marquez with the knockdown with less than three seconds remaining.
After the timekeeper slapped the mat signaling 10 seconds remaining, Vazquez backed Marquez to the ropes with a hard left hook and buried a right to his head as Russell dodged in to stop the assault and start an eight-count.
Both fighters raised their arms in triumph at the bell, ending a 25-round series that began in this same location last March.
Marquez won that first fight when Vazquez failed to answer the bell for the eighth round because of a badly damaged nose. In the August rematch in Texas, Vazquez returned to win by sixth-round technical knockout -- a bout that has been called the fight of the year and the round of the year for the classic exchanges that left both wobbled.
There was more of the same immediately on Saturday, as Marquez peppered Vazquez with jabs and came back from jarring blows in the first two rounds.
Marquez then planted Vazquez on the canvas with a stiff right in the fourth.
"Some of his shots stunned me," Vazquez said afterward. "Raffy did a good job keeping his distance, moving his feet."
By the 12th, Vazquez, who required 30 stitches to close three eye cuts, admitted his trainer "was saying that I was behind on the scorecard."
Desperation worked, as Vazquez punished Marquez with rights set up by jabs, and other combinations that twice forced Marquez to hold on and stop the action.
"I gave it my all, I had to make a statement at the end," Vazquez said. "It was 12 intense rounds. The last round was decisive."
Vazquez earned $800,000 and Marquez $400,000, according to the California State Athletic Commission.
In a locker room afterward, Vazquez said, "If they want a fourth fight, I'd be glad to give it to him. Raffy is a worthy rival. And he demonstrated that tonight."
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Shortly, circa 1973, after winning the lightweight title from Chago Carmona, Rodolfo had a show (smoker) at a church in Long Beach, Ca., he invited me to bring the boys to boxs in his show, Frankie was 15 years old at the time, Tony was 12, Bobby 10, we get there and I see many friends, including Jackie McCoy and Freddy Merino who had some young boxers.
Freddy had two brothers who were match with Tony and Bobby, I was having a hard time fining an opponent for Frankie when Freddy said "I got somebody for him" I looked at the guy and I tell Freddy "he is kind of old for Frankie" he had to be about 22-23 years old, Freddy tells me, "yeah, but he just started boxing" well I took the fight.
Tony and Bobby made quick work of their opponents, both winning by second round tko.
Now its Frankie's turn, we get into the ring and Frankie keeps looking at his opponent we get call to the center of the, we (have you notice how I say, WE) get our instruction's, as we head back to our corner to start round one, Frankie looks at me and tells me "dad, that guy is a grown man" I ask him, why do you say that, and he says "Because he has hair all over him", well Frankie won by decision, after the fight when we were in the dressing room Jackie came over and he was laughting and I ask him "what so funny?" he tells me Freddy thought he was going to pull one over you, I ask him what he meant by that, he said that guy Frankie fought is a pro, Frankie looks at Jackie and pointing at me tells Jackie "with his guts and my blood we're going places", at that moment Freddy walked over and ask me if I had anymore kids, Jackie started laughting and tells Freddy "Freddy he beats you 3 out of 3 and you still want some more?"
Freddy had two brothers who were match with Tony and Bobby, I was having a hard time fining an opponent for Frankie when Freddy said "I got somebody for him" I looked at the guy and I tell Freddy "he is kind of old for Frankie" he had to be about 22-23 years old, Freddy tells me, "yeah, but he just started boxing" well I took the fight.
Tony and Bobby made quick work of their opponents, both winning by second round tko.
Now its Frankie's turn, we get into the ring and Frankie keeps looking at his opponent we get call to the center of the, we (have you notice how I say, WE) get our instruction's, as we head back to our corner to start round one, Frankie looks at me and tells me "dad, that guy is a grown man" I ask him, why do you say that, and he says "Because he has hair all over him", well Frankie won by decision, after the fight when we were in the dressing room Jackie came over and he was laughting and I ask him "what so funny?" he tells me Freddy thought he was going to pull one over you, I ask him what he meant by that, he said that guy Frankie fought is a pro, Frankie looks at Jackie and pointing at me tells Jackie "with his guts and my blood we're going places", at that moment Freddy walked over and ask me if I had anymore kids, Jackie started laughting and tells Freddy "Freddy he beats you 3 out of 3 and you still want some more?"
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Frankie looks at me and tells me "dad, that guy is a grown man" I ask him, why do you say that, and he says "Because he has hair all over him"
This is a great story. Frank, it seems that the only thing you didn't teach your boys was "how to lose". Except for a few rare occasions in the pros, I don't seem to remember them ever losing. I'd see them in some good, competitive fights, but in the end, they always came out on top.
Seeing Tony, Frankie & Bobbie at the Cal. HOF lunch last year was kind of cool for me. They all look great and have beautiful families, good careers. And, of course, they love their dad. Those grandkids are really something.
Frank, you told me something once that I know the guys would love to hear. It was about Tony, coming home with a roll of money after one of his fights. Would you mind sharing it with us?
Also, in a later post I have some questions for you regarding Frankie's "southpaw" style. Something that might help me when I coach a kid.
-Rick
This is a great story. Frank, it seems that the only thing you didn't teach your boys was "how to lose". Except for a few rare occasions in the pros, I don't seem to remember them ever losing. I'd see them in some good, competitive fights, but in the end, they always came out on top.
Seeing Tony, Frankie & Bobbie at the Cal. HOF lunch last year was kind of cool for me. They all look great and have beautiful families, good careers. And, of course, they love their dad. Those grandkids are really something.
Frank, you told me something once that I know the guys would love to hear. It was about Tony, coming home with a roll of money after one of his fights. Would you mind sharing it with us?
Also, in a later post I have some questions for you regarding Frankie's "southpaw" style. Something that might help me when I coach a kid.
-Rick
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El Gato . . .
Hey guys . . .
Tonight around 9pm (PST), Rodolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez will make his BOXREC debut on this thread. He will answer any questions, and share a lot of stories. He's our friend, he's one of us, and I welcome his being a part of this great thread.
If you have any questions, post 'em today and "El Gato" will answe them tonight.
Adios . . .
Ricardo
Tonight around 9pm (PST), Rodolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez will make his BOXREC debut on this thread. He will answer any questions, and share a lot of stories. He's our friend, he's one of us, and I welcome his being a part of this great thread.
If you have any questions, post 'em today and "El Gato" will answe them tonight.
Adios . . .
Ricardo
Nice shot. I remember Muniz's non-title win over Jeff Chandler like it were yesterday. It was a stunning upset, with Muniz winning despite shocking cuts, although Chandler came good in the title rematch. But the first fight signified that Chandler's great reign was winding down.kikibalt wrote:
Oscar Muinz & Juilo Rodriguez
Re: Dagos . . .
As I look at this again , Im reminded of a Midwest fighter Hurricane Johnny Heard.Expug wrote:Great story on Kid Rayo.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick and Frank,Thanks for giving me some info on Kid Rayo. Honest to God when he stepped into the ring that night against Castro,I thought they made this guy up. Later I looked up his career. Talk about a journeyman. Taking a fight on short notice. I bet ExPug could imagine him in Fat City. To tell you the truth,it's guys like Rayo that draw me to the sport. Somewhere,sometime,I don't know for sure,fighters like Rayo should get their just rewards.Rick Farris wrote:Dagos . . .
I remember Kid Rayo from the Main St. Gym during the 60's. This guy fought everybody, anywhere.
Last time I saw Kid Rayo was in the late 90's, when he was working as a coach/staff member of the LAYAC, which was the Johnny Flores Gym on the top floor of the old Lincoln Heights City Jail.
I spoke with Rayo, and he remembered me from the gym. He told me some very interesting things about Babe McCoy,and what happened to him when he didn't follow instructions. It was a matter of being black balled world wide, even in his home country of Nicaragua.
"Babe McCoy warned me that he had long arms, and I wouldn't be able to fight anywhere, under any name. He was right".
Interesting conversation we had. This was a couple years after Johnnie Flores had died, after an accident in the elevator shaft of the jail house.
By the way, Dagos, I am totally into your great stories. Lots of great info, and entertaining.
-Rick Farris
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
He was a good fighter and a real slickster who fought alot of top middleweights in the 80s.
He was sent out to Austria in about 83 to fight former Olympian and some kind ofEuropean champ Marijan Benes.
Im sure Johnny went out there himself and was expected to lose early.
He showed up at a weigh in of mine a couple weeks later(he worked my corner) with a newspaper clipping and a big smile on his face.
He knocked Benes outin the first round.
What a lot of people didnt know also was Johnny had to be at least 45 at the time.
I see Johnny around cards here in Chicago. Hes almost blind now from eye injuries.
Re: Dagos . . .
That's sad. Johnny came to England and trounced Liverpool's Robbie Davies, who was no pushover, believe me.Expug wrote:As I look at this again , Im reminded of a Midwest fighter Hurricane Johnny Heard.Expug wrote:Great story on Kid Rayo.dagosd2000 wrote: Rick and Frank,Thanks for giving me some info on Kid Rayo. Honest to God when he stepped into the ring that night against Castro,I thought they made this guy up. Later I looked up his career. Talk about a journeyman. Taking a fight on short notice. I bet ExPug could imagine him in Fat City. To tell you the truth,it's guys like Rayo that draw me to the sport. Somewhere,sometime,I don't know for sure,fighters like Rayo should get their just rewards.
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
He was a real good gym fighter and a real slickster who fought alot of top middleweights in the 80s.
He was sent out to Austria in about 83 to fight former Olympian and some kind ofEuropean champ Marijan Benes.
Im sure Johnny went out there himself and was expected to lose early.
He showed up at a weigh in of mine a couple weeks later(he worked my corner) with a newspaper clipping and a big smile on his face.
He knocked Benes outin the first round.
What a lot of people didnt know also was Johnny had to be at least 45 at the time.
I see Johnny around cards here in Chicago. Hes almost blind now from eye injuries.
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Great story buddy. You're with the best of them. A lot of these sports writers,as hard as they try,never get it because they don't have the feel for it. If you can't pick up on the little things in boxing,you'll never get it right. What a lot of sports writers miss is it's right in front of them. They think they have to write about Ali to have a great story. It's the day at the Main Street Gym,or watching your boys sparring,or catching the fights in Corona in 1954. Lots of good stories there.kikibalt wrote:Shortly, circa 1973, after winning the lightweight title from Chago Carmona, Rodolfo had a show (smoker) at a church in Long Beach, Ca., he invited me to bring the boys to boxs in his show, Frankie was 15 years old at the time, Tony was 12, Bobby 10, we get there and I see many friends, including Jackie McCoy and Freddy Merino who had some young boxers.
Freddy had two brothers who were match with Tony and Bobby, I was having a hard time fining an opponent for Frankie when Freddy said "I got somebody for him" I looked at the guy and I tell Freddy "he is kind of old for Frankie" he had to be about 22-23 years old, Freddy tells me, "yeah, but he just started boxing" well I took the fight.
Tony and Bobby made quick work of their opponents, both winning by second round tko.
Now its Frankie's turn, we get into the ring and Frankie keeps looking at his opponent we get call to the center of the, we (have you notice how I say, WE) get our instruction's, as we head back to our corner to start round one, Frankie looks at me and tells me "dad, that guy is a grown man" I ask him, why do you say that, and he says "Because he has hair all over him", well Frankie won by decision, after the fight when we were in the dressing room Jackie came over and he was laughting and I ask him "what so funny?" he tells me Freddy thought he was going to pull one over you, I ask him what he meant by that, he said that guy Frankie fought is a pro, Frankie looks at Jackie and pointing at me tells Jackie "with his guts and my blood we're going places", at that moment Freddy walked over and ask me if I had anymore kids, Jackie started laughting and tells Freddy "Freddy he beats you 3 out of 3 and you still want some more?"
Rick,thanks for putting us together with Rodolfo. I'm ready for an education,and some good stories.
Re: Dagos . . .
Hes a great guy .bennie wrote:That's sad. Johnny came to England and trounced Liverpool's Robbie Davies, who was no pushover, believe me.Expug wrote:As I look at this again , Im reminded of a Midwest fighter Hurricane Johnny Heard.Expug wrote: Great story on Kid Rayo.
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
He was a real good gym fighter and a real slickster who fought alot of top middleweights in the 80s.
He was sent out to Austria in about 83 to fight former Olympian and some kind ofEuropean champ Marijan Benes.
Im sure Johnny went out there himself and was expected to lose early.
He showed up at a weigh in of mine a couple weeks later(he worked my corner) with a newspaper clipping and a big smile on his face.
He knocked Benes outin the first round.
What a lot of people didnt know also was Johnny had to be at least 45 at the time.
I see Johnny around cards here in Chicago. Hes almost blind now from eye injuries.
A real nice , classy man.
Ive sparred countless rounds with him and he was very tough.
He trains some amateurs here in Chicago nowadays and he seems happy.
Hes still in good shape.But his vision like I said is very bad.
Rick,
Most people knew that Tony loved to party, so one time after we came back from one of his big fights, don't remember which one, but it might have been the Robin Blake fight, a fight in which he got paid lots of money, well the Saturday after we got home about 5PM he is getting ready to go out, he start taking stuff out of his pockets, out comes a roll of $100 bills, I ask Tony how much money he had there, he said 35G's, so I ask him what're you doing with all that money?, he tells me he is going out with some friends, I told him not with all that money you're not, I took the 35G's from him and gave him 5G's and told him, blow that if you like, but come Monday you and I are going to the bank and deposit the 30G's that I am holding for you, we did go to the bank and put the money in a C.D, which he still has, my wife is hold the C.D for him.
To be honest I think that Tony has forgotton that he has the C.D because he never ask about it, my wife say that she will turn it over to him when he is 55 years old , he is now 47.
Most people knew that Tony loved to party, so one time after we came back from one of his big fights, don't remember which one, but it might have been the Robin Blake fight, a fight in which he got paid lots of money, well the Saturday after we got home about 5PM he is getting ready to go out, he start taking stuff out of his pockets, out comes a roll of $100 bills, I ask Tony how much money he had there, he said 35G's, so I ask him what're you doing with all that money?, he tells me he is going out with some friends, I told him not with all that money you're not, I took the 35G's from him and gave him 5G's and told him, blow that if you like, but come Monday you and I are going to the bank and deposit the 30G's that I am holding for you, we did go to the bank and put the money in a C.D, which he still has, my wife is hold the C.D for him.
To be honest I think that Tony has forgotton that he has the C.D because he never ask about it, my wife say that she will turn it over to him when he is 55 years old , he is now 47.
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Re: Dagos . . .
Hey Pugster,I've come to the conclusion this that Hemingway writer had it right. There's more valor in how much you can take. So who wins between Vasquez and Marquez? The referee raises Vasquez's hand,but that was only a technicality. Two fighters letting it hang out,and when it's over,they both win. I know one of them is sore with the decision,but they both win. Ali,Sugar Ray.They looked unbeatable at one time. When they lost that step,well,that's when the fans embraced them even more. Robinson getting smashed on the ropes by Fullmer. Ali almost dying in the ring against Holmes.Expug wrote:Great story on Kid Rayo.dagosd2000 wrote:Rick and Frank,Thanks for giving me some info on Kid Rayo. Honest to God when he stepped into the ring that night against Castro,I thought they made this guy up. Later I looked up his career. Talk about a journeyman. Taking a fight on short notice. I bet ExPug could imagine him in Fat City. To tell you the truth,it's guys like Rayo that draw me to the sport. Somewhere,sometime,I don't know for sure,fighters like Rayo should get their just rewards.Rick Farris wrote:Dagos . . .
I remember Kid Rayo from the Main St. Gym during the 60's. This guy fought everybody, anywhere.
Last time I saw Kid Rayo was in the late 90's, when he was working as a coach/staff member of the LAYAC, which was the Johnny Flores Gym on the top floor of the old Lincoln Heights City Jail.
I spoke with Rayo, and he remembered me from the gym. He told me some very interesting things about Babe McCoy,and what happened to him when he didn't follow instructions. It was a matter of being black balled world wide, even in his home country of Nicaragua.
"Babe McCoy warned me that he had long arms, and I wouldn't be able to fight anywhere, under any name. He was right".
Interesting conversation we had. This was a couple years after Johnnie Flores had died, after an accident in the elevator shaft of the jail house.
By the way, Dagos, I am totally into your great stories. Lots of great info, and entertaining.
-Rick Farris
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
It was no secret. Carmen Basilio didn't care for Sugar Ray Robinson. But when he described his first fight with Robinson he said,"You can say what you want about the guy, this guy had guts. They say I hit him with more than 30 straight punches in the tenth round,and he's still standing there. And then in the 11th round he comes out and kicks my ass."
Basilio couldn't have hated him that much.
Re: Dagos . . .
Yes , I think much of it is about earning the other mans respect.dagosd2000 wrote:Hey Pugster,I've come to the conclusion this that Hemingway writer had it right. There's more valor in how much you can take. So who wins between Vasquez and Marquez? The referee raises Vasquez's hand,but that was only a technicality. Two fighters letting it hang out,and when it's over,they both win. I know one of them is sore with the decision,but they both win. Ali,Sugar Ray.They looked unbeatable at one time. When they lost that step,well,that's when the fans embraced them even more. Robinson getting smashed on the ropes by Fullmer. Ali almost dying in the ring against Holmes.Expug wrote:Great story on Kid Rayo.dagosd2000 wrote: Rick and Frank,Thanks for giving me some info on Kid Rayo. Honest to God when he stepped into the ring that night against Castro,I thought they made this guy up. Later I looked up his career. Talk about a journeyman. Taking a fight on short notice. I bet ExPug could imagine him in Fat City. To tell you the truth,it's guys like Rayo that draw me to the sport. Somewhere,sometime,I don't know for sure,fighters like Rayo should get their just rewards.
I agree with you Dagos.
Its guys like this that I find very interesting also.
It takes a certain type of fighter to say to himself "I.ll fight anyone anywhere , anytime.'
Its as if there is no fear of failure.
Hard to think this way in a very ego driven sport where winning is everything to most.
It was no secret. Carmen Basilio didn't care for Sugar Ray Robinson. But when he described his first fight with Robinson he said,"You can say what you want about the guy, this guy had guts. They say I hit him with more than 30 straight punches in the tenth round,and he's still standing there. And then in the 11th round he comes out and kicks my ass."
Basilio couldn't have hated him that much.
I cant articulate as well as you do my friend.
But I think there is such a thing as a fighters fighter.
Guys who are so admired by other fighters that even though they dont wanna come right out and heap praise, deep down they really respect the other guy cuz hes earned it.
We have been talking in this thread about many of those type of guys I think.