"Daddy...am I winning the fight?"
Is it really DEFAMATION to post this photo?
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Goodnight, Irene
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HomicideHenry
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Hey where's the one with Wepner? Your slippin' granny
I dont think it holds water, considering Wepner stepped on Ali's foot at the same time the punch was thrown, though to this day The Bayonne Bleeder will pull the Clinton policy of deny, deny deny, though most angles of that shot will show the evidence that Wepner did infact step on Ali's foot when the right hand body blow was thrown.
no no no keep this brilliant thread going. this is granberry at his best. i'm no big ali fan but these shots show that he had bags of courage as well as everything else. they show the power of smokin joe. that photo that kicked off the thread is amazing. the reporters are what i'm drawn to. the action and movement, the whole buzz of news - you can feel it, hear it!!
i'm enjoying this thread.
i'm enjoying this thread.
I agree, but it was ruled what is was ruled.HomicideHenry wrote:Hey where's the one with Wepner? Your slippin' granny
I dont think it holds water, considering Wepner stepped on Ali's foot at the same time the punch was thrown, though to this day The Bayonne Bleeder will pull the Clinton policy of deny, deny deny, though most angles of that shot will show the evidence that Wepner did infact step on Ali's foot when the right hand body blow was thrown.
He's saying, "I stuck my finger in your eye, and I hacked at your arms in every clinch even though he was the one doing the holding, and I called a clear knockdown you scored in the 11th round a 'slip,' and now you still have the nerve to wreck all my efforts completely by knocking him flat on his back."harrygreb wrote:by the way, whats the referee saying to frazier?
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Goodnight, Irene
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Goodnight, Irene
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Ali staggered around the ring like he was auditioning for a role as a drunk in a 5th-rate silent movie.Goodnight, Irene wrote:You know as well as I did why he called it the terrible eleventh. Frazier kicked Ali's ass all over the ring for the final minute of the round.
You know it, I know it. Still, it's fun to pretend. What was your scorecard, Gran? Same as the Ali-Young card? 15-0?
When does The Religion of Ali allow that round to be shown?
ANSWER: NEVER
WHY? BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED
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Goodnight, Irene
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Posted this in the wrong thread before...all of these Grantastic photos :)
Its not that people say it never happened. Its just that its often used as either a defining point as to how resilient and well he could recover against such a hard shot/s (in the context of the fight) or it can be justified away as luck on Joe's part or he slipped.
In regards to knock downs, and I say this in regards to all great champs and contenders. There is no shame in getting knocked down. Getting up is where ones mettle is tested. Whether that be an Ali, or a Frazier...or guys who Yo Yo'd like Patterson, it is in getting up and showing that will and spirit that defines them as heroes to us.
Then there are those hard jawed sons of guns who never seem to get put on there asses. They are just tough SOBs with a great chin and an ability to absorb punishment.
Is say a Cobb or Chuvalo better than a Patterson or Ali because they were never dropped or KO'd ?
Those that are so up a fighter, that can not see his faults are as deluded as one who can not admit a fighters merits.
Kym
Its not that people say it never happened. Its just that its often used as either a defining point as to how resilient and well he could recover against such a hard shot/s (in the context of the fight) or it can be justified away as luck on Joe's part or he slipped.
In regards to knock downs, and I say this in regards to all great champs and contenders. There is no shame in getting knocked down. Getting up is where ones mettle is tested. Whether that be an Ali, or a Frazier...or guys who Yo Yo'd like Patterson, it is in getting up and showing that will and spirit that defines them as heroes to us.
Then there are those hard jawed sons of guns who never seem to get put on there asses. They are just tough SOBs with a great chin and an ability to absorb punishment.
Is say a Cobb or Chuvalo better than a Patterson or Ali because they were never dropped or KO'd ?
Those that are so up a fighter, that can not see his faults are as deluded as one who can not admit a fighters merits.
Kym
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Re: Is it really DEFAMATION to post this photo?
Is it really debilitation to open this thread?
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Goodnight, Irene
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I'll take that to mean you didn't score it for Frazier, then. If you cannot bare to post your card, Gran, at least tell why. Don't make me knuckle it outta yagranberry wrote:irene,Goodnight, Irene wrote:Still haven't seen your scorecard. Here's mine, if it helps...
8-7, 143-141 Frazier.
WHY would I be interested in your 'scorecard' ?
I ALREADY know your 'scorecard.'
It read, "clueless."
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FRAZIER BEATS ALI IN EPIC
On this date in 1971, Joe Frazier won a 15-round decision over Muhammad Ali in the first of their three classic fights. Fans packed Madison Square Garden as well as closed circuit venues all over the country to see the most anticipated fight in history. So big was the event, even non boxing fans wanted a part of this one. Both men were undefeated going in, and both men held legitimate claims to the title. It was the classic match on paper, and still
to this day, is the best-ever example of a fight that actually exceeded its expectations. So high were those expectations, that living up to them seemed impossible. But Ali and Frazier waged war, round after grueling round. It was a truly thrilling fight at the highest possible level of competition. The battle was punctuated with a dramatic knockdown of Ali in round 15 that served as the perfect cap to Frazier's performance. It was called "The Fight of the Century", and by winning it, Joe Frazier forever sealed his place in boxing history. The pair would go on to fight two more times, with Ali winning both bouts. Although rivaled for greatness by the "Thrilla in Manila", it was this first match between the rivals that crossed over and caused the world to stop and pay attention.
On this date in 1971, Joe Frazier won a 15-round decision over Muhammad Ali in the first of their three classic fights. Fans packed Madison Square Garden as well as closed circuit venues all over the country to see the most anticipated fight in history. So big was the event, even non boxing fans wanted a part of this one. Both men were undefeated going in, and both men held legitimate claims to the title. It was the classic match on paper, and still
to this day, is the best-ever example of a fight that actually exceeded its expectations. So high were those expectations, that living up to them seemed impossible. But Ali and Frazier waged war, round after grueling round. It was a truly thrilling fight at the highest possible level of competition. The battle was punctuated with a dramatic knockdown of Ali in round 15 that served as the perfect cap to Frazier's performance. It was called "The Fight of the Century", and by winning it, Joe Frazier forever sealed his place in boxing history. The pair would go on to fight two more times, with Ali winning both bouts. Although rivaled for greatness by the "Thrilla in Manila", it was this first match between the rivals that crossed over and caused the world to stop and pay attention.
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Real Bottom line:granberry wrote:Bottom line:
Ali couldn't punch hard enough to keep Frazier off him
Ali couldn't defend himself against Frazier's left hook
Ali punched way hard enough in Manilla to keep Frazier off him
Frazier couldn't defend himself against the attack of Ali in Manilla and was stopped