Its Enzo for me on Sat.

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 03 Mar 2008, 12:02

Why? Bigger heart, better chin, better defence, better stamina, has fought in a better class of opponent overall, no get out clause "I was weight drained etc, etc, should have never took the fight but did it for the fans....", point to prove to allegedly who has had to give Haye BIG money to get him in the ring on his promo...

Why not Haye? Overrated, chin will be tested without doubt by a real puncher, poor defensively, will be spent after 6 rounds, has only really fought JMM in real world class who IMO was on a par with Braithwaite, been put down wobbled by lesser fighters than Enzo.

Enzo to win inside distance.

Eraserhead · Post by **Eraserhead** » 03 Mar 2008, 12:13

jimmy from the green wrote:Why? Bigger heart, better chin, better defence, better stamina, has fought in a better class of opponent overall, no get out clause "I was weight drained etc, etc, should have never took the fight but did it for the fans....", point to prove to allegedly allegedly who has had to give Haye BIG money to get him in the ring on his promo...

Why not Haye? Overrated, chin will be tested without doubt by a real puncher, poor defensively, will be spent after 6 rounds, has only really fought JMM in real world class who IMO was on a par with Braithwaite, been put down wobbled by lesser fighters than Enzo.

Enzo to win inside distance.

I take it you've never seen Mormeck vs. Braithwaite? On par? Mormeck absolutely destroyed Braithwaite over 12 rounds and dropped him heavily in the process. A violent, sustained beating that drained Big Truck of every ounce of confidence and ambition he'd gained up to that point.

Braithwaite was never the same after that.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 03 Mar 2008, 12:37

jimmy from the green wrote:has fought in a better class of opponent overall,

Not in my eyes.

It's Haye for me, he's too quick and accurate. I don't think stamina will come into this fight, we'll all be in bed by 02:30 (not together).

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 03 Mar 2008, 12:43

My heart is going with Haye. My head doesn't know what to do (but leaning towards Haye, I think).

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 03 Mar 2008, 12:50

Asterix wrote:My heart is going with Haye. My head doesn't know what to do (but leaning towards Haye, I think).

My heart, head and bank balance hopes that Haye wins

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 03 Mar 2008, 14:20

Chambers2 wrote:
jimmy from the green wrote:has fought in a better class of opponent overall,
Not in my eyes.

It's Haye for me, he's too quick and accurate. I don't think stamina will come into this fight, we'll all be in bed by 02:30 (not together).

I just think that speed and accuracey will be negated by the defensive tightness of Enzo in the first few rounds, I think Haye maybe hitting arms and gloves with his stamina sapping "hayemakers" with enzo having better success form round four....

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 03 Mar 2008, 14:42

no way had enzos competition been better than haye's. Enzo is capable of winning, but only because of Haye's weight draining issues, and if Maccarinelli does win it would be disastrous for boxing.

I never saw this as a 50/50 fight before the possibility arose that haye could have nightmares making 200. I don't understand why anyone thought it was a pickem fight, Haye is just soooo much the better fighter. If his weight is ok he will blow enzo away and we won't have to hear any more of this misinformed nonsense about Enzo being able to compete.

Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:03

Riddick Blowe wrote:no way had enzos competition been better than haye's. Enzo is capable of winning, but only because of Haye's weight draining issues, and if Maccarinelli does win it would be disastrous for boxing.

I never saw this as a 50/50 fight before the possibility arose that haye could have nightmares making 200. I don't understand why anyone thought it was a pickem fight, Haye is just soooo much the better fighter. If his weight is ok he will blow enzo away and we won't have to hear any more of this misinformed nonsense about Enzo being able to compete.

Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.

I agree!

If Enzo wins then Fwank Warren will serve up more of the usual rubbish!

If ANY Fwank Warren fithter wins a world title that world title becomes a joke.

example? only now is Calzaghe getting the credit he deserves.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:10

I'll agree with all this. How about starting a Come on David Haye Do It for British Boxing thread?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:17

Riddick Blowe wrote:Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.

Why?

antony · Post by **antony** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:22

HAYE WILL WIN THIS ONE EARLY ON, THEY BOTH HAVE THE POWER BUT HAYE'S GOT THE SPEED AND THE BETTER CHIN! ENZO GOT DROPPED BY HOBSON WHO'S NOT A PUNCHER SO FOR ME IT'S HAYE IN RD2!

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:22

Horse wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.
Why?

Point 1)

If Enzo wins then Fwank Warren will serve up more of the usual rubbish!

If ANY Fwank Warren fithter wins a world title that world title becomes a joke.

example? only now is Calzaghe getting the credit he deserves.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:22

Enzo has improved quite a bit over the past 2 years, but he is not by any means a defensive genius as the thread maker here almost suggests!

Haye fought a fighter in his ELEVENTH pro contest that was better than anything ENzo has ever faced, and that doesn't even take into account Jean Marc Mormeck, who is light years ahed of anything Enzo has ever faced...to suggest Enzo has mixed in a better class than Haye is ignorant to say the least.

I favour Haye, but look forward to an exciting fight whatever happens come the night.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:35

I'm picking Enzo too but only because Haye's reflexes are slower the more he makes cruiser and he needs that head movement and footwork to avoid Enzo's Jab. The same head movement and footwork he used when he sparked Gurov moving under the jab.

He shouldn't of bodybulded his way to Heavyweight so soon, Booth says In Boxig Monthly he wants Haye even heavier once he does fight at HW.

Against Mormeck he had to keep stepping back and was more flat footed.

Don't judge off opposition too easy, Mormeck's one dimensional and Enzo would of sparked him too.

Achybreaky · Post by **Achybreaky** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:35

Can only see a haye ko in this one....not quite having 2k

like previous posters but i will be having a nice bet at 4/5 for any sort of stoppage on paddypower.

Any man that thinks fighting bobby gunn in the last two years as high class competition should have their thread starting feature disabled.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:44

good point on Haye's muscling up being his potential downfall in this one, Max. it looks like a problem of his own making. it seems that he sees himself as a heavyweight hence all the weights etc.

i really hope we don't see a fit enzo vs a drained shell of haye.

weight is in enzo's favor. if enzo doesn't win this one IMO he'll never be the finished article.

styles may suit haye. if he can keep his handspeed, that low left will actually allow him to shoot a snappy jab and beat enzo to the punch. i don't see the low left as so much of a drawback. enzo does have a high chin and haye could steal the opening ala gurov if the dynamic punching is still there.

enzo ate loads of jabs vs hobson 1st time, so haye can surely outjab him. then again, in the 2nd hobson which i watched again recently, i was surprised to see enzo catching the taller man's jab with his right hand. i didn't notice that before the KO punch.

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:49

yiddo14 wrote:Enzo has improved quite a bit over the past 2 years, but he is not by any means a defensive genius as the thread maker here almost suggests!

Haye fought a fighter in his ELEVENTH pro contest that was better than anything ENzo has ever faced, and that doesn't even take into account Jean Marc Mormeck, who is light years ahed of anything Enzo has ever faced...to suggest Enzo has mixed in a better class than Haye is ignorant to say the least.

I favour Haye, but look forward to an exciting fight whatever happens come the night.

I said better class OVERALL - if your refering to that 44 your old american guy then I think enzo has fought better fighters - or at least fighters closer to their prime.

Who has Haye fought? JMM. Carl thompson - loss and he was considered to be shot. Fragommeni and Bonin were only european level at best and fragommeni gave Haye kittens

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 Mar 2008, 15:59

Achybreaky wrote:Can only see a haye ko in this one....not quite having 2k like previous posters but i will be having a nice bet at 4/5 for any sort of stoppage on paddypower.

Any man that thinks fighting bobby gunn in the last two years as high class competition should have their thread starting feature disabled.

And Mormeck and light years don't exist Yiddo.

iF Mormeck was light years above any of Enzo's opponents he would of easily KO'ed O'Neil Bell.

sweetscience · Post by **sweetscience** » 03 Mar 2008, 16:05

was going to have a punt on haye ko 1

but to be safe im going for ko in round 1 & 2

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Mar 2008, 16:25

I think Mac would be cautious early as he tries to read Haye's bombs and establish his own jab. Minimising the risk of an early KO. But maybe Haye could startle him with fast shots as Mac tries to get going.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 03 Mar 2008, 16:28

DG. wrote:
Horse wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.
Why?

Point 1)

If Enzo wins then Fwank Warren will serve up more of the usual rubbish!

If ANY Fwank Warren fithter wins a world title that world title becomes a joke.

example? only now is Calzaghe getting the credit he deserves.

I have to agree with you 100%

I`ve been a fan of Hayes since very early on ... he has unbeatable desire and a willingness to test himself that seems lacking in all too many hyped prospects .. my wife even bought me a Hayemaker t-shirt.

A Haye win will bring further good exciting fights .. because David will insist on them

Whilst a win for Enzo, who has got to be one of the most likable genuine guys in the game (only met him briefly a few times - and each time he makes you feel like one of his mates), will under Fwank, be made to notch up 20+ defences against guys your old nan would bash-up

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 03 Mar 2008, 17:40

Macca in 4, put your house on it

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:47

DG. wrote:
Horse wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:Anyone who loves this sport should be praying that David Haye wins this fight.
Why?

Point 1)

If Enzo wins then Fwank Warren will serve up more of the usual rubbish!

If ANY Fwank Warren fithter wins a world title that world title becomes a joke.

example? only now is Calzaghe getting the credit he deserves.

If Enzo loses we will be served the same old rubbish anyway, or worse as he won't be a champion.

Haye is leaving cruiserweight, so if he wins we will lose a champion.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:57

but can you imagine if enzo wins and keeps the undisputed world title hostage under frankie, doesn't bear thinking about.

Doesn't matter that haye will be vacating the division, he can move up with the confidence of having starched the guy everyone wanted him to beat and take on heavyweight. The titles become vacant and someone semi-deserving wins them, like cunningham or whoever.

enzo wins and we have a joke of an undisputed champ and haye's career is in tatters, the one hope we had at heavyweight starched at cruiser by an ordinary fighter.

that's why it would be a disaster for boxing.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 03 Mar 2008, 21:10

Riddick Blowe wrote:but can you imagine if enzo wins and keeps the undisputed world title hostage under frankie, doesn't bear thinking about.

Doesn't matter that haye will be vacating the division, he can move up with the confidence of having starched the guy everyone wanted him to beat and take on heavyweight. The titles become vacant and someone semi-deserving wins them, like cunningham or whoever.

enzo wins and we have a joke of an undisputed champ and haye's career is in tatters, the one hope we had at heavyweight starched at cruiser by an ordinary fighter.

that's why it would be a disaster for boxing.

Would Haye's career really be in tatters if he lost to Enzo? I don't really see why it would be.

I also don't see why Enzo would be seen as a joke of a champion if he can defeat Haye, and if he becomes the undisputed champion there will likely be some pressure on him to face reasonably good opposition, especially if he intends to keep hold of his new belts.

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