Rocky Marciano Defense Video

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 04 Mar 2008, 03:43

Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 05:27

HomicideHenry wrote:Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 04 Mar 2008, 10:13

Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat. Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 13:37

[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat. Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.

Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?

Twice?

Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.

Keep the DEEP THOUGHTS coming.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 04 Mar 2008, 13:53

granberry wrote:
[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat. Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?

Twice?

Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.

Keep the DEEP THOUGHTS coming.

You still haven't gotten back to us on how the Cooney vs Young fight was a fix

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 04 Mar 2008, 14:34

He wasn't Chris Byrd but Marciano had a very solid defense and was not easy to hit. He was vulnerable to counter-shots as virtually all fighters are (and in Walcott, Moore, and Charles he fought 3 expert counterers) but beyond that he was very difficult to pinpoint shots on . . he developed a perfect defense for his frame and style.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:23

ebeneezer wrote:
granberry wrote:
[b]Ambling Alp[/b] wrote:Yes, lets take LaStarza's word for it. Lets just go by the opinion of one guy that Marciano beat. Lets just ignore Marciano's actual fights.
Mental giant Alp doesn't know that Marciano fought LaStarza?

Twice?

Alp, you have SO MUCH to offer.

Keep the DEEP THOUGHTS coming.
You still haven't gotten back to us on how the Cooney vs Young fight was a fix

Ebeneezer will never know.

LOL

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:28

I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.

I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?

Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.

Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?

Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:30

HomicideHenry wrote:Take LaStarza's word for it, he said the biggest difference between Marciano of the first fight and the second was that he was far more harder to hit; LaStarza urinated blood after the fight from the brutal body blows and said "He (Rocky) really busted me up," and was also quoted as saying "I could make ten rounds against him, but I couldn't fifteen."

Theres no doubt Marciano could punch but LaStarza wasn't a truely great heavyweight IMO, fairly decent, but he wouldn't be in anyones greatest heavyweights list. He had a lot of wins but against average opponents and normally had to take them the distance to do so.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:35

Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.

I have a little tip for you here, alp.

Marciano WON all of those fights.

LOL

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:38

granberry wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
I have a little tip for you here, alp.

Marciano WON all of those fights.

LOL

Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:42

pundit wrote:
granberry wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:
Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
I have a little tip for you here, alp.

Marciano WON all of those fights.

LOL
Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.

What kind of "defense" did Walcott, Charles, Louis, LaStarza show

as Marciano KNOCKED THEM OUT?
.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Mar 2008, 15:46

granberry wrote:
pundit wrote:
granberry wrote: I have a little tip for you here, alp.

Marciano WON all of those fights.

LOL
Which hardly implies his outstanding defense won him the fights.
What kind of "defense" did Walcott, Charles, Louis, LaStarza show

as Marciano KNOCKED THEM OUT?
.

You're confused about the topic. It's about Marciano's defense, not Walcott's, Charles', Louis', or LaStarza's.

Noone disputes that these fellas were old, small, or both by the time Marciano fought them.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:13

.

The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.

But we already know that, punkit.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:18

granberry wrote:.

The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.

But we already know that, punkit.

You're confused about the topic again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.

You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:32

pundit wrote:
granberry wrote:.

The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.

But we already know that, punkit.
You're confused about the topic again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.

You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.

Do you HATE Marciano, punkit?

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:34

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:37

granberry wrote:
pundit wrote:
granberry wrote:.

The sour, agenda driven Ken Burns media operation HATES Marciano.

But we already know that, punkit.
You're confused about the topic again, buddy. No Ken Burns here, no media operations.

You need to focus better if you want to be perceived as writing intelligible posts.
Do you HATE Marciano, punkit?

Hell no. Actually it seems that he was a pretty nice man.

BigJuicyHog · Post by **BigJuicyHog** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:39

Is Gran drunk in this thread?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:44

BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?

Bigjuicyhog slurps his slop while he watches his Ken Burns 'documentaries.'

As far as hog knows, Ken Burns and Bert Sugar are "experts" on boxing. Not to mention Thomas Hauser and Norman Mailer.

The Ken Burns agenda rules for the clueless like hog.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:55

Ambling Alp wrote:I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.

I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?

Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.

Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?

Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.

If by your definition Rocky had a poor defense, Evander Holyfield's defense plain sucked.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Mar 2008, 16:58

BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?

No, he is always like that.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 04 Mar 2008, 17:17

pundit wrote:
BigJuicyHog wrote:Is Gran drunk in this thread?
No, he is always like that.

punkit belongs to the Ken Burns (agenda-driven) school of boxing 'expertise.'

Marciano did not have the politically correct skin pigmentation, so he can't be any good.
.

BigJuicyHog · Post by **BigJuicyHog** » 04 Mar 2008, 17:42

There is no room for half-wits

All the Ali shills with spout their propaganda

Ken Burns and his robots control the world

How much wood would

a wood chuck chuck if Chuck Norris

could chuck wood

Jimmy Ellis, Joe Frazier, masturbation, jizz trough..mmmmmmm

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 04 Mar 2008, 17:47

dempseyfire wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:I'm sorry, is this whole thing some kind of joke?
We are now to the point of saying that Marciano had a very solid defense? Rocky Marciano?Wow.

I'm sure there is a video of Chris Bryd actually knocking someone out. Does this means that he was a brutal puncher?

Marciano often led with head, inviting it to be hit.
Yes, he was vulnerable to counter punching, especially since some of his wild punches missed by a lot much which left himself so wide open.
Being vulnerable to counter punching isn't an excuse for getting hit a lot.

Outside of the 2nd Marciano-Walcott "fight", how many fights has anyone seen of Marciano that he got hit very little?

Walcott hit him a lot in their first fight, a slipping Ezzard Charles hit him a lot, a shot old Joe Louis hit Marciano more than he should have been able to. Ancient Archie certainly got to him several times. And yes, Roland LaStarza hit Marciano fairly often in their second fight, which is available on film.
In their first fight, which unfortunately isn't available on film, LaStarza allegedly hit Marciano quite a bit and many people who attended the fight thought that LaStarza should have gotten the decision.
If by your definition Rocky had a poor defense, Evander Holyfield's defense plain sucked.

Holyfield wasn't a great defensive fighter; I don't know anyone that thinks that he was. (Though lately I have heard crazier things on this forum.)

However, when Holyfield was close to his prime, he got hit less often than Marciano did by generally better competition than Marciano faced.

If you get hit a lot, (which Marciano did) then you don't have that good of a defense. This isn't exactly brain surgery here.