HAYE 198lbs - Enzo 197lbs

[Kilburn]

Anyone making a confident pick over this fight is kidding themselves.

I'm not particularly rooting either either way although it always makes me laugh the way some fellas convince themselves that a fighter has suddenly improved just in time for his potentially toughest test. Haye will be the same as always, just like Enzo.

The closer we get the more I get the feeling Enzo will box a smart, sharp jabbing, almost boring fight and win a decision. He isn't going to just wade in for a war when he clearly has the advantage in workrate and stamina. Sometimes Haye doesn't even need to be in a fight to get tired.

[Rocky Balboa]

Even though Haye weighed in at 198lbs & Booth has claimed Haye's weight-making struggles were exaggerated, I still believe Haye is very tight at the weight.

This will be proven come fight time, when Haye is likely to weigh around 15st 3lbs, give or take a pound or two. Haye looks to be in marvelous condition. The stints of training in Cyprus & then Miami appear to have worked for David.

If you look at the Bonin bout, Haye weighed 217lbs & was fit, fast & explosive. I actually think he'll be a more complete fighter when he moves to HW full-time.

In an earlier reply, someone said Maccarinelli appeared to be some-what fleshy, but Enzo will be in condition to go 12 rounds solid. I would be amazed if Enzo Calzaghe didn't have any of his fighters in a championship bout in supreme shape!

I think Haye will go for the KO ASAP.

[Autobarn]

You can't blame anyone for being concerned which is what many people were. Weight issues are bad news ala Castillo, anyone? Haye may have fooled Warren, Mac, Enzo Cal and many boxing fans. Knowing that ppl would still watch due to his risk taking ways and lulling the other side into a false sense of security.

I definitely give Haye a better chance now.

Mac is definitely stronger at the weight/more comfortable. Who knows what kind of mind games they are playing. Maybe weight isn't as much an issue - Calzaghe and Kessler looked very drawn and sucked in at the waist when they were weighing in - and so we'll have to judge by the fight.

[stujones]

I'm not saying Autobarn etc that you were entirely wrong with your opinion before this weeks revelation. I disagreed, cause I didn't think a man struggling with weight as badly would recover as he did vs Mormeck.

All I was really asking is for those people who said all Warren wants is the easiest path possible and said they wouldn't class Enzo the true champion - now retract that view.

Win, lose or draw - Enzo is taking a gamble and its not the easiest route possible for him and should he win, he'll be the proper champion.

[DG.]

Knockout, Enzo is getting smashed!!

Why the hostility towards Enzo? .. Enzo wants Haye in top condition, that way he gets top credit.

The weight was made too much of an issue anyway, almost all top fighters outside the heavyweight division struggle to get to fight weight.
Its the modern way of thinking to get some kind of advantage.

Maybe Haye did fool Warren .. maybe Haye has messed his weight up and come in too light .. I`m thinking his last fight was more important so why not do the weight as he did then?

Its still a 50/50 fight.

I lean towards Haye simply because he is faster ..
But what if Enzo keeps it tight and is able to absorb the ones that get through? .. Haye`s power is v-good .. but he is no early Tyson

Enzo will be fitter and more prepared for the distance .. Haye won`t last the course as well...

Haye before the 6th

It is not hostility.

I did not say that he will KILL HIM or PUT HIM IN HOSPITAL ETC.

It's a fight after all.

Haye will hit him and the ref will count out Enzo.

Is that better?

[TerribleTerry]

Haye looks very drawn to me, practically dessicated. Coming in UNDER the weight for me is worrying.

He didnt have that dry, gaunt look that you associate with a weight drain fighter IMO - he looked like he had done the weight properly - better than in the Mormeck fight, for instance.

When Crawford Ashley came in several pounds under the limit for the Nunn fight it was worrying; same for when Vivian Harris did it against flash in the pan Maussa.

I dont think Haye falls into that type of category, at least not from the TV pictures I saw.

[states]

You can't blame anyone for being concerned which is what many people were. Weight issues are bad news ala Castillo, anyone? Haye may have fooled Warren, Mac, Enzo Cal and many boxing fans. Knowing that ppl would still watch due to his risk taking ways and lulling the other side into a false sense of security.

I definitely give Haye a better chance now.

Mac is definitely stronger at the weight/more comfortable. Who knows what kind of mind games they are playing. Maybe weight isn't as much an issue - Calzaghe and Kessler looked very drawn and sucked in at the waist when they were weighing in - and so we'll have to judge by the fight.

I certainly don't blame anyone for being concerned. But I do feel people made too much of Haye and his weight issues. I'm sure it's not easy for him to make 200lb's. But if he really was putting his life in danger, as he claimed, then he should never have taken the fight. Yes, he struggled against Mormeck. Was some of that not down to the fact that Mormeck was the best opponent he's ever faced, rather than weight issues?

Christ, Haye has been talking about his difficulties making weight for years now, but he's always managed it, it's not a Castillo situation here. It's more like Calzaghe: he's been saying 168 is hard to make, and he's going to have to move up for about 7 years now. He also weighed in a few pounds under the limit for his hardest fight to date, and look what happend there.

[Al Savani]

Chris Eubank used to look like an Ethiopian at some weigh-ins,then a bodybuilder on fight night.

[Max Molyneux]

Anyone making a confident pick over this fight is kidding themselves.

Saw the Mormeck fight again earlier and Haye was taking a worrying amount of straights.

I think I'll pick Enzo still.

[Maelstrom]

Anyone making a confident pick over this fight is kidding themselves.

I disagree Kilburn. I feel very confident in picking Haye - I think Enzo is in way over his head. A classic hype job.

You think I am kidding myself because you have a different opinion, but I can only see this one way.

That doesn't mean I cannot be wrong! I have been wrong many times in the past! But I really find it hard to make a strong case for Enzo...

You will probably argue that 'I am kidding myself' but the logic is there for me!

[Max Molyneux]

If Mormeck can land alot of straights on Haye then Enzo will.

I think Enzo's taking this, neither are hype jobs but Haye might be getting a little overrated because he's the Undisputed Champ and beat Mormeck.

[ebeneezer]

If Mormeck can land alot of straights on Haye then Enzo will.

I think Enzo's taking this, neither are hype jobs but Haye might be getting a little overrated because he's the Undisputed Champ and beat Mormeck.

How can the undisputed champion who knocked out the number one guy in the division be overrated?

[EddieShredder]

If Mormeck can land alot of straights on Haye then Enzo will.

I think Enzo's taking this, neither are hype jobs but Haye might be getting a little overrated because he's the Undisputed Champ and beat Mormeck.

How can the undisputed champion who knocked out the number one guy in the division be overrated?

Because he's not trained by Enzo Calzaghe

[yiddo14]

Mormeck and Enzo are two completely different fighters.

Haye has admitted he struggles with shorter, compact fighters, and his bouts with both Mormeck and Fragomeni strengthen his claim.

He also claims he finds it a lot easier fighting stand up straight, tall guys ala Gurov and of course Enzo.

I really wouldn't look at the Mormeck fight as a guide to how this one will go.
It's like saying Enzo strugled with Mark Hobson, so he will struggle with David Haye...two different fighters.

[Carbo]

I'm sorry for all those getting excited, but to me Haye coming in under the weight rather smacks of Thomas Hearns before his first fight against Ray Leonard.

It's poor weight management and unprofessional.

They should be squeezing every last bit of energy out of that emaciated body, and they simply haven't.

On the other hand, it may be a case of Haye having never trained 'properly' for a few years, that is, not maintaining his weight between fights, not doing serious road work, putting on too much muscle, and having to starve himself to make cruiser. This may well be the first time he's done it properly.

However, I really think that argument goes down the pan when you ask the question: if you can't get up for an undisputed title fight on away ground enough to do all those things, when can you?

No, this sounds like over training and bad management to me, and it's a concern.

Perhaps the starting weight was key, but, in my view, this simply emphasises the need for Haye to win early. I don't think there'll be too much left late.

One more alternative: could the extra wait affected his weight? If he was down in weight 'the right way' for 2pm, then was forced to wait for another few hours, I doubt he would have eaten or drank, and perhaps the an extra pound or so came off during that time??

[Autobarn]

I was thinking that, about the waiting affecting Haye's strength, but the fight does start quite late, 2 am today. Not like they're fighting at 10pm tonight.

Obviously, Haye will look a lot different on fight night than he did at yesterday's weigh in. Warren and co are surely worried about the weight Haye will pack on post weigh in. On the other hand they will think that his stamina will be compromised.

Maybe Haye did exaggerate the weight problems. In that case the Mormeck fight delays left him weaker than the norm. He was also coming down from HEAVYWEIGHT that time (215 v Bonin, and you can bet he weighed more after the fight).

IMO he peaked at the weight with Fragomeni. He went a hard 9 without looking too tired and finished strong despite the crisis. Reflexes looked good as well. So if he peaked then at cruiser, it will all be down hill for his body making 200-lbs. Hopefully he looks good after he's eaten.

Calzaghe took off too many pounds for the Kessler fight. I guess sometimes it happens when you're in the biggest fight of your career.


A lot of ppl are overlooking that stocky fighters make Haye look vulnerable, though it has been brought up a few posts above. Also, Enzo struggled with Dominguez, who was able to roll under his jab. Enzo was getting some real stick by the commentators so he must've looked bad.

[Kilburn]

However, I really think that argument goes down the pan when you ask the question: if you can't get up for an undisputed title fight on away ground enough to do all those things, when can you?

I agree. People are trying to turn this weight issue into a positive for Haye, without really knowing either way.

Haye will slow down the same way he always does. Not to say he will lose because of it, but it's no good expecting something new here IMO.

[Max Molyneux]

If Mormeck can land alot of straights on Haye then Enzo will.

I think Enzo's taking this, neither are hype jobs but Haye might be getting a little overrated because he's the Undisputed Champ and beat Mormeck.

How can the undisputed champion who knocked out the number one guy in the division be overrated?

Overrated a bit by you guys meaning better than he really Is, still world class though.

[Autobarn]

However, I really think that argument goes down the pan when you ask the question: if you can't get up for an undisputed title fight on away ground enough to do all those things, when can you?

I agree. People are trying to turn this weight issue into a positive for Haye, without really knowing either way.

Haye will slow down the same way he always does. Not to say he will lose because of it, but it's no good expecting something new here IMO.

If/when Haye slows down, Enzo's body shots are going to slow him down even further. Regardless of whether Haye is strong or weak at the weight, he needs to hurt Enzo early, try and chop him down.

[charlieb]

The weight issue is definitely there, Booth's just playing games.

As for people kidding themselves, and that this is a 50-50 fight, just you wait.

Enzo is so full of false confidence right now that this fight could completely derail his career after he's knocked out.

[The Blade]

The weight issue is definitely there, Booth's just playing games.

As for people kidding themselves, and that this is a 50-50 fight, just you wait.

Enzo is so full of false confidence right now that this fight could completely derail his career after he's knocked out.

Rumour has it that Carl Thompson has put big bet on Enzo. I would respectfully suggest that he should know

[DG.]

I'm sorry for all those getting excited, but to me Haye coming in under the weight rather smacks of Thomas Hearns before his first fight against Ray Leonard.

It's poor weight management and unprofessional.

They should be squeezing every last bit of energy out of that emaciated body, and they simply haven't.

On the other hand, it may be a case of Haye having never trained 'properly' for a few years, that is, not maintaining his weight between fights, not doing serious road work, putting on too much muscle, and having to starve himself to make cruiser. This may well be the first time he's done it properly.

However, I really think that argument goes down the pan when you ask the question: if you can't get up for an undisputed title fight on away ground enough to do all those things, when can you?

No, this sounds like over training and bad management to me, and it's a concern.

Perhaps the starting weight was key, but, in my view, this simply emphasises the need for Haye to win early. I don't think there'll be too much left late.

One more alternative: could the extra wait affected his weight? If he was down in weight 'the right way' for 2pm, then was forced to wait for another few hours, I doubt he would have eaten or drank, and perhaps the an extra pound or so came off during that time??

Apparently - Hay had a coffee etc after his initial test weigh-in and had a smoothie while waiting to weigh-in officially - right in front of Fwank!

He trained properly for maybe the 1st time in a long time, imo.

[DG.]

However, I really think that argument goes down the pan when you ask the question: if you can't get up for an undisputed title fight on away ground enough to do all those things, when can you?

I agree. People are trying to turn this weight issue into a positive for Haye, without really knowing either way.

Haye will slow down the same way he always does. Not to say he will lose because of it, but it's no good expecting something new here IMO.

I agree Haye will slow down if it goes to the 7th but imo

1) He will knock out Enzo way before then.

or

2)If Enzo is still in there, he will be way too wary to press Haye.

[Syntax Error]

Anyone else think HAYE was taking the piss with this 'I can not make the weight'?

Masterful!

I think he basically fooled FWANK!

2lbs under the weight? Haye just trained properly for this fight!

Haye looked in great condition - Enzo looked fleshy.

On fight night Haye will weigh 15st 10lbs approx, Good night, Enzo!

Gwannn, HAYE!

He had me fooled, that's why i thought he might be more cagey than normal & the fight might( ) go 12; but I might be inclined to think that Haye will smash him mid rounds.

[Eraserhead]

Fwank Warren wants David Haye to enter the ring first tonight with Enzo coming in second, as the champion! What is the world coming to? Next we'll be having WBU champ Gary Lockett coming into the ring second following Kelly Pavlik.

Enzo Maccarinelli is the challenger tonight. Fact.