Ho ho. Haye didn't look that classy against the world cruiserweight champion (Mormeck)!!??
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Haye ended up knocking seven bells out of Mormeck. I can't believe some of the negative comments on here.
Fair enough if you want to point out some weaknesses Haye might have shown us against Molenga Lock, but saying he didn't look that classy against Mormeck is ridiculous. He was fighting the best!
Now when you're getting stuffed by the Lee Swaby's of this world you may have a point.
FAIR COMMENT! but big mac's been rocked a few times by lesser puncher's than JMM and with haye's power i cant see how he can win, i also think haye does like to fight going on the back foot, and he can adapt to different way's of fighting, we've not seen any of this in enzo fights!
In the PTBF comp I have decided to throw a spanner in the works and go against 99% of picks to try and gain some serious points. Therefore I picked Macca KO2.
I know Haye is favourite and rightly so, but I do feel it is a 50-50 fight and neither fighter really has it easy - I am surprised so many people pick Haye really, I thought we'd have been split down the middle. Although he has made weight I am not convinced..... making weight and being effectyive at the weight are different things (Ray Leonard vs Terry Norris?) and Haye looks to be absolutely skin-and-bones.
Macca punches harder than Mormeck, who had Haye is all sorts of trouble - and Haye admitted he was gone. With Enzo Mac in his corner and being the hungrier of the 2 fighters, I am just thinking that Macca is worth a quid or two for tonight, to really capitalise on a good opportunity.
So anyway, while half-thinking I will have egg on my face by 2:15am, I am saying Enzo to win.
I'm having trouble deciding whether I'm having 50 on Enzo on points or a hundred. Laddie's are giving 10-1 last time I looked.........the only way I will come unstuck is I think if Enzo actually knocks him out inside the distance ........Haye's concentration is not superb and I think if Enzo manages to stun him just once he will pounce on Haye and put him away.
That is crazy IMO. Why do some people think enzo is more likely to win on points than KO? If he does win, it's by KO since he's not going to go 12 with Haye without getting caught at some point...
Riddick Blowe wrote:That is crazy IMO. Why do some people think enzo is more likely to win on points than KO? If he does win, it's by KO since he's not going to go 12 with Haye without getting caught at some point...
so what if he gets caught......boxers do tire as fights progress......you only have to look at Martinez last night whose shots were much less likely to knockout Rendall MUN- ROE, Rendall MUN- ROE !! in the tenth than in say the first 3.
not to mention chins warm up so less chance of being caught cold....plus this isn't aheavy bag Haye's hitting it's a guy who will be well aware of the danger of standing still for the right hand.
I fail to see why Haye is being touted here like the second coming of Muhammad Ali......it went tits up versus Thompson despite throwing the kitchen sink at him, nearly went tits up against Fragomeni on the cut and was very close to going tits up in the 4th against Mormeck.
still your concerns are probably gonna make me limit it to just the 50. I just think both will be to cautious to get knocked out so it stands to reason the fitter, slicker, Calzaghe trained man will prevail on points.
Hayes lack of guard wont bode well against Macca, and being weight drained he will tire badly in the middle rounds. I dont think Haye is a level above Enzo and it may well be the other way round. Haye will I think try to end the fight early but its in Enzos favour to the make the fight last. Thats what I think Enzo will do and I see him looking to KO Haye from about 9 on. Macca will be super fit and will look better from about the 6th as Haye begins to fade. I expect Macca to take some big ones from Haye earlier on and he may even look in trouble but I think he will get through it. I think Haye will forget his encounter with Carl Thompson and wont pace himself for a long fight. Haye knows his best chance is an early KO and Enzo knows his best chance is a late one. If both fighters were to go at it hammer and tongs from the opening bell, either one could take the other out, as they both have the power. Enzo would be crazy if he was to fight that way. He could get lucky but he could also get sparked clean out. I think he will be defensive to start with and attack later on. If Macca can survive the early rounds things will start to go in his favour.
Interesting view point, starting to think Enzo might just pull this off tonight
Times online
David Haye must not let himself get stuck in cruise control
Owen Slot, Chief Sports Reporter
David Haye is being trumpeted by many as the next great gift to heavyweight prizefighting. He will step up in weight after the biggest night of his career tonight - the bout with Enzo Maccarinelli at the O2 Arena in southeast London to unify the world cruiserweight titles.
Yet for an understanding of the type of talent under discussion, we need ask only one question: why did Haye not go to the Sydney Olympic Games in 2000?
This was the question on the lips of Mick Carney, his trainer at the time, when he went to see the Great Britain team staff after they had selected Courtney Fry ahead of Haye to compete in the last pre-Sydney Olympic qualifying event. Their decision killed off Haye's last chance - and Carney's point was that Fry was a boxer whom Haye had beaten.
The response came in the form of the training log that documented the Britain squad's work. Against Haye's name there appeared a long sequence that read repeatedly “missing”, “gone home”, “did not appear” and “did not show”.
As Carney recalls, with an undisguised lack of warmth: “David Haye was a pain in the arse to train. He was the most talented kid to walk in this gym, but he was the laziest, too. If I had a gym full of Hayes, I'd have committed suicide long ago.”
Indeed, while the Fitzroy Lodge gym in Lambeth, South London, was not exactly full of Hayes, it did contain two. The other, younger brother James, a light-heavyweight southpaw, won 24 of 25 amateur bouts and, according to Carney, “could have been as good as David”. He now describes James as “wasted talent”. “David was also a lazy person,” he said. “But underneath he is sharp, sharp, sharp.”
Carney saw some of Haye's school essays and could not believe the quality. However, Haye's sharpness did him no favours. “David thought he was being smart,” Carney said. “But it was all being noted down. They also told me that he used to hide in the bushes when the national team were doing their running.”
According to Carney, Haye “got lazier as he got older”. This was possibly because he became increasingly aware of his rare talent. Even as a teenager, Haye had the right hand for which he now is feared. “He just got used to banging them,” Carney said. “He'd hit them and they'd go down.”
So this is one of the key issues to the man appropriately named “The Hayemaker”. The WBC and WBA cruiserweight champion takes on Maccarinelli, the WBO title-holder from Wales, tonight in what will be as complete an examination as we will get of whether the “kid with potential the likes of which I'd never seen”, according to Carney, has reformed. “I find it hard to believe that he works as hard as Maccarinelli,” Carney said. “Not in a million years.”
If Carney sounds bitter, it should be pointed out that he is about as admired a figure as you will find in amateur boxing. Of the Hayes family, he says that he “never saw so much love showered on two boys by their parents”. The opinion of Haye's father, Darren, is that David has simply been completing the process of growing up. And Darren has the utmost respect for Carney. He has also probably fought David more than anyone, in time away from the day job as a Catford minicab driver, with young David wearing the gloves and Darren not.
“It would be playing,” Darren said. “But I was his punchbag and even as a little kid he could really let go. The good news is I'm 52 and I've still got my own teeth.”
Yet when discussing his son, Haye Sr makes no attempt to give the impression that David could be contained as a boy. Like Carney, he talks about his boundless confidence, even after suffering his one professional defeat, by Carl Thompson 3 years ago. Yet if complacency towards training is an issue, self-confidence can become a flaw. Haye's biggest win to date was in November last year, when he got off the canvas to take the WBC and WBA titles off Jean-Marc Mormeck, the Frenchman. This was hailed as a victorious breakthrough. “But even against him, David still seemed to get tired,” Carney said.
This is also the view of Thompson. “Even against Mormeck, David looked tired and fought in a tired way,” he said. “David's flaw is that he cannot fight at pace. Before our fight I knew he didn't have the pace. I drained him and then overpowered him. He caved in.”
So that is the adverse view: that Haye believes too much in his publicity and is in danger of taking his conditioning for granted. Adam Booth, his trainer since he left Carney seven years ago, would disagree. But consensus has it that his talent is so great that he can survive. One of the few boxers to have taken on Haye and Maccarinelli is Ismail Abdoul, the Belgian, who maintains that Haye is the heaviest puncher he has faced.
That is also the view of Rudiger May, the German who sparred with him in the weeks before this bout. “In cruiserweight, I have not felt a punch like his,” he said. May is 33, has had 51 professional contests and countless sparring partners and says that only Johnny Nelson, who held the WBO cruiserweight title for six years, can compare.
“But David is much more aggressive,” he said. “And he moves so well. He was not just able to hit you, he could avoid the punches at the same time - that is the key.”
May thus became another convert. “David will become a very good heavyweight champion,” he said. A lot of other independent voices believe this to be the case. Haye believes it, too, which is kind of the point: does he just believe it too much?
One of my very first posts on this forum was to tip Enzo to beat Haye. I've held that view for years. But now, with the fight just hours away, I'm fucked if I can pick a winner. Hard to ignore Haye's win over in Paris. I still think Enzo is better equipped if things go beyond 4 rounds, and I really don't believe there's such a massive gulf between the two of them in terms of ability. But I can easily see a Haye right hand ending it early.
Oh, fornicate it. I'll stick with my long-held pick: Enzo to stop a tiring Haye sometime around the 8th.
I'm having trouble deciding whether I'm having 50 on Enzo on points or a hundred. Laddie's are giving 10-1 last time I looked.........the only way I will come unstuck is I think if Enzo actually knocks him out inside the distance ........Haye's concentration is not superb and I think if Enzo manages to stun him just once he will pounce on Haye and put him away.
I've had 30 on Macca points, then a few quid on rounds 7-12 for stoppage, for a total of 50.
With two big punchers, of course, the fight could always end as early as the first. However, I reckon both will be cautious during early doors, waiting for the other to committ & then try to make them miss & pay!
While everyone is talking about Enzo's left hook to the body, I reckon Haye's body attack will win it for him. The body shots David landed on Mormeck seemed to slow the frenchman down a lot.
Y'know closer it gets the more I'm thinking Macca. I must have about 4 different predictions on here, which shows how close this is, considering there's only two people in the fight.
Just watched the sultana build up, showing DH/Mormeck ( why show the 3 Nat anthems in a review?? Can't they spare us that? ) and Haye looks soooo vunerable after a couple of rounds....brilliant that he pulled it out the bag there, but..............he does seem to rely on the big get out of jail punch a bit too much.
Enzo looks to be about as good as he'll ever get at the mo, and if he can avoid an early Haye bomb, I think he'll take over - course with DH, there's every chance he'll connect early and Enzo will be waking up on the 10.45 back to Swansea.
But I get the feeling Enzo might just avoid the early bombs and stop Haye in 4.
I see both coming out full of nervous energy and once one lands a big shot the other will have to fire back with both going down in the 1st round. Maybe even down twice and then it will hit a lull until Haye has a dominant 5th and stops Enzo.
Haye didn't look that classy against the world cruiserweight champion (Mormeck)!!??
