Classic American West Coast Boxing

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 08 Mar 2008, 03:16

Jack Britton had 350 fights. Johnny Dundee 343 had fights..

Neither was a KO puncher.

Battling Nelson lost to Gans on a 42 round foul. He lost his title on a 40 round stoppage to Ad Wolgast. He fought a number of 20 round bouts.

He defended his title in scheduled 45 round fights, many lasting over 20 rounds before the end came.

Bobby Dobbs fought for decades. Must have added up some rounds.

Harry Greb had 39 fights in the year 1919.

Kid Azteca fought for how many decades?

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 05:06

kikibalt wrote:
Alex Garcia

Regrettably, Garcia is probably best remembered for his part in the sickening Bernard Benton fight in 1992, when referee Roger Yanez stood off as Garcia pounded Benton in a corner. The corner post prevented Benton from falling (shades of Griffith-Paret) and Yanez was oblivious to the fact Benton was completely 'gone' for about 40 punches.
It was hideous.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 08:57

Rick Farris and Johnny Flores.
At Flores's Gym...1965

Photo courtesy of Rick Farris

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:10

kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Sorry, Expug, I'm thinking of Kenny Bogner.
Now Bogner would have been a great fight for Tony. there was talk of him fighting Tony and he was in attendance for Tony's fight with Howard Davis, and I guess he and his people didn't like what they saw, because we never heard from them again.

Tony would have butchered him. Bogner was a glorified clubfighter - tough but limited. Our own George Feeney, who took Ray Mancini the full 10 rounds in a non-title fight, was a better fighter.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:26

kikibalt wrote:
Jose Luis Garcia ko's Ken Norton

The story of every Norton defeat. Back him to the ropes and he was vulnerable.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:32

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris and Johnny Flores.
At Flores's Gym...1965

Photo courtesy of Rick Farris

Now that is one awesome photo.

Scartissue

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:33

Ken Norton

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:37

kikibalt wrote:
Ken Norton

Norton - away from the ropes - was certainly a striking guy. I seem to recall even Ali was jealous of his looks.
Kenny made it to the big screen, of course.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:40

Frankie: do you know much about Joey Olivo? He was the best boxer nobody knew and had the misfortune to run into a modern great in the first defence of his world title.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:54

dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Maxie Rosenbloom . . .

Rick,Frank,Pug,Bennie,Scar
Any of you guys think that fighters today could have that many fights? I'm sure some of Rosenbloom's fights had to be more in the line of a workout than a fight.

Dago, TV changed the landscape of boxing back in the '50s, which eventually led to a bit of a downfall to the small clubs. Back in the Rosenbloom days there were small clubs everywhere. It was the price of admission which ruled the roost. Putting asses in the seats of a fight venue and putting on a good show is how you were asked back. Money was small so these guys fought often. Very often. Also, back in the days of the depression opportunities were slim, which bred toughness, character and a good honest fighter. Post war, the G.I. Bill gave these guys a myriad of opportunity which didn't include getting hit in the head. However, even with the invention of TV, boxing was still very popular but marginalized. TV didn't quell the sport, some capitalized on it. The Olympic Boxing Club showed that you could broadcast a card and still pack the house as long as you're presenting an outstanding product. Which they did for many a year. Today, they don't fight often because they don't need to. But when there was many a fight club with no TV there was a lot of work to go around. Bennie, over in England do you recall the stories of Billy Bird? He had a ton of fights but I heard a story that he fought once on a show late morning, fought on another card in the afternoon and while he was with his family eating dinner in a chip shop after the fight he was approached by a promoter that he needed a fighter for another card in the evening, in which he obliged. Man, those were fighters.

Scartissue

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 09:56

bennie wrote:Frankie: do you know much about Joey Olivo? He was the best boxer nobody knew and had the misfortune to run into a modern great in the first defence of his world title.

Bennie,

Joey is going to be inducted into the Calif. boxing hall of fame this coming June.

Joey fought few fights here in L.A. because of his style, I was talking to Don Fraser who promoted at the Forum, he said that the only way they could use Joey was in an under card figth because he couldn't sell tickets, and as much as I like Joey I have to agree with Don.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 10:02

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 10:07

the above program is for one week of boxing, in the early 1950's

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:07

kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Frankie: do you know much about Joey Olivo? He was the best boxer nobody knew and had the misfortune to run into a modern great in the first defence of his world title.
Bennie,

Joey is going to be inducted into the Calif. boxing hall of fame this coming June.

Joey fought few fights here in L.A. because of his style, I was talking to Don Fraser who promoted at the Forum, he said that the only way they could use Joey was in an under card figth because he couldn't sell tickets, and as much as I like Joey I have to agree with Don.

Yeah, he was certainly the antithesis of Paul Banke. Good choices.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:09

Tei Ken & Speedy Dado

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:17

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:34

Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Maxie Rosenbloom . . .

-Rixter
Rick,Frank,Pug,Bennie,Scar
Any of you guys think that fighters today could have that many fights? I'm sure some of Rosenbloom's fights had to be more in the line of a workout than a fight.
DAGOS . . . When I look at Rosenblooms record, I see more than just a lot of fights, but most that went the distance. Archie Moore had over a couple hundred himself, but h was a KO hitter, and a lot of guys didn't make it the full route.

Willie Pep is another example of a guy who fought well over 200 fights, and all but 50 some went the full distance, generally a minimum of ten, and often fifteen rounds.

OK, a long time ago, I was studying Willie Pep's record. I took the time to add up the number of rounds he fought during his career. Sorry, but it was awhile back and I forget the exact figure, however, it was amazing. It was more than ten fighters of today well total when they retire. THis guy avoided being hit, most of the time, but he had real lasting power.

OK, here's my question, does anybody here know of another World Champ, or boxer for that matter, that fought as many rounds during their career as Willie Pep?

Just curious?

-Rick

Jack Britton Welter champ.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:51

dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Rick,Frank,Pug,Bennie,Scar
Any of you guys think that fighters today could have that many fights? I'm sure some of Rosenbloom's fights had to be more in the line of a workout than a fight.
DAGOS . . . When I look at Rosenblooms record, I see more than just a lot of fights, but most that went the distance. Archie Moore had over a couple hundred himself, but h was a KO hitter, and a lot of guys didn't make it the full route.

Willie Pep is another example of a guy who fought well over 200 fights, and all but 50 some went the full distance, generally a minimum of ten, and often fifteen rounds.

OK, a long time ago, I was studying Willie Pep's record. I took the time to add up the number of rounds he fought during his career. Sorry, but it was awhile back and I forget the exact figure, however, it was amazing. It was more than ten fighters of today well total when they retire. THis guy avoided being hit, most of the time, but he had real lasting power.

OK, here's my question, does anybody here know of another World Champ, or boxer for that matter, that fought as many rounds during their career as Willie Pep?

Just curious?

-Rick
Jack Britton Welter champ.

Don't forget Freddie Miller, also featherweight champ.

Scartissue

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:54

kikibalt wrote:
Ken Norton

That photo was taken early in Norton's career. He's training in Mission Valley. He fought a mediocre fighter by the name of Pedro Sanchez. Luis Rodriguez fought the main evant that night against Raphael Gutierrez. I remember Norton would bring his young son,Ken Jr.,to watch him train. Norton had a "psycholigical"problem,he figured,that made him run out of gas half way through a fight. After his loss to Jose Luis Garcia,he was under the treatment of a local hypnotist by the name of Dr. Dean Ezell(Dr. Dean). Ezell had an act where he would hypnotize people at the "Midway Chuck Wagon". Regis Philbin got his start emceeing the acts at the "Midway Chuck Wagon".

I remember when Norton upset Ali. Ezell was up in the ring congradulating Norton. I know Ezell thought he had a hand in Norton's improvement. Norton brushed him aside. After the fight Norton said Ezell didn't have any influence on him. Norton was a strange duck.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:00

scartissue wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote: DAGOS . . . When I look at Rosenblooms record, I see more than just a lot of fights, but most that went the distance. Archie Moore had over a couple hundred himself, but h was a KO hitter, and a lot of guys didn't make it the full route.

Willie Pep is another example of a guy who fought well over 200 fights, and all but 50 some went the full distance, generally a minimum of ten, and often fifteen rounds.

OK, a long time ago, I was studying Willie Pep's record. I took the time to add up the number of rounds he fought during his career. Sorry, but it was awhile back and I forget the exact figure, however, it was amazing. It was more than ten fighters of today well total when they retire. THis guy avoided being hit, most of the time, but he had real lasting power.

OK, here's my question, does anybody here know of another World Champ, or boxer for that matter, that fought as many rounds during their career as Willie Pep?

Just curious?

-Rick
Jack Britton Welter champ.
Don't forget Freddie Miller, also featherweight champ.

Scartissue

Also, dont forget the one and only Angel Robinson Garcia.
A real Globetrotter!

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:01

Question for any of the experts,
A couple of real crowd pleasers that fought each other in San Diego a couple of times,Renato Garcia and Chucho Garcia(no relation)
I always thought Renato was a very talented fighter. He had a big fight with Emile Griffith in Europe. Garcia lost a decision. After that he was up and down.
Chucho fought anybody,anytime,anywhere. Any info or experiences with these two boys?

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:05

kikibalt wrote:
the above program is for one week of boxing, in the early 1950's

Frank.
Love the old programs. I like to pick out the futere big names. I see Howard King on this one. He fought Archie Moore in Tijuana. Any info or photos?

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:07

dagosd2000 wrote:Question for any of the experts,
A couple of real crowd pleasers that fought each other in San Diego a couple of times,Renato Garcia and Chucho Garcia(no relation)
I always thought Renato was a very talented fighter. He had a big fight with Emile Griffith in Europe. Garcia lost a decision. After that he was up and down.
Chucho fought anybody,anytime,anywhere. Any info or experiences with these two boys?

I remember watching Renato in with a peak Minter in 1979. Minter really teed off on him but Garcia hung in there till the ninth. He was tough. Minter was not a nice guy to fight in 1979.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:35

dagosd2000 wrote:Question for any of the experts,
A couple of real crowd pleasers that fought each other in San Diego a couple of times,Renato Garcia and Chucho Garcia(no relation)
I always thought Renato was a very talented fighter. He had a big fight with Emile Griffith in Europe. Garcia lost a decision. After that he was up and down.
Chucho fought anybody,anytime,anywhere. Any info or experiences with these two boys?

When I think of Chucho Garcia the first thing I think of is 'What a jaw!' I think he started out as a featherweight and finally ended up as a middleweight. He fought everyone in between and I don't believe he hit the canvas until his bout with Cyclone Hart.

Scartissue

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 08 Mar 2008, 12:51

ChuCho Garcia