ENZO MACC,,,

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 08 Mar 2008, 23:12

Haye looked so big and strong looked in tremendous shape, enzo looked flappy and had man boobs??? is it just not in his genes to become ripped? honestly thought we were going to get a good fight total let down and think enzo is finished, cunnigham, jean marc ect would destroy him,

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 08 Mar 2008, 23:15

bigped wrote:Haye looked so big and strong looked in tremendous shape, enzo looked flappy and had man boobs??? is it just not in his genes to become ripped? honestly thought we were going to get a good fight total let down and think enzo is finished, cunnigham, jean marc ect would destroy him,

disagree - Calzaghe runs a no weights gym apparently - not as likely to be ripped as a Haye on his "natural fish and veg and no pollution diet".....Enzo was fit as they come running up all them steps etc and sparring Joe Calzaghe.
Haye looked ripped as fck versus Mormeck and he nearly got knocked out in 4.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 08 Mar 2008, 23:24

Macc can go back to what he does best, beating up on bums to the delight of Frankie's bank balance.

Nice guy though, hope he at least gets some kind of chance at cruiser...

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 09 Mar 2008, 00:01

Enzo is dogrot.....Enzo V Hobson 3 anyone???

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Mar 2008, 00:41

I think that Haye is a special talent. Mac lost to him in what was a great opportunity. Mac can dust himself off and shoot for a vacant belt. He is a good quality boxer and can maybe go on to be a solid champ. There are lots of good fighters in the division, it won't be easy, but at the very least there will be good fights if he's to get back in the mix.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 09 Mar 2008, 00:52

No shame for Enzo, he lost against the biggest baddest challenger out there for him. He lost, he took a risk, and so what.

Give Enzo the plaudits for having the gumption to belive he could beat Haye, even if he lost.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 09 Mar 2008, 01:25

Listen, Enzo will come again. Haye will now move to heavyweight, and I believe Enzo is the best Cruiser left out there. Let's hope Warren doesn't give him too many bums to rebuild his confidence. One confidence builder and then get him right back on the horse with a fight against Mormeck, who he'd beat no problem.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 09 Mar 2008, 03:43

Carbo wrote:Listen, Enzo will come again. Haye will now move to heavyweight, and I believe Enzo is the best Cruiser left out there. Let's hope Warren doesn't give him too many bums to rebuild his confidence. One confidence builder and then get him right back on the horse with a fight against Mormeck, who he'd beat no problem.

Wouldn't go that far at all. Mormeck is quality and then you have Bell and Cunningham. I wouldn't make Enzo favourite against any of those guy's.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 09 Mar 2008, 03:52

I think I would. Enzo was awful on the night against a rapacious Haye. Enzo did just about everything wrong.

He didn't throw enough leather, he didn't keep his chin tucked in, he kept pulling his head back and up when he threw the jab... the list goes on and I only watched the second round.

Anyway, Enzo looked good against Braithwaite, and I think he'd beat Moremeck, who was poor against Haye.

Cunningham would be different, but I back Enzo to learn from this shambles and come back brighter.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 09 Mar 2008, 04:41

Enzo will have the WBO back under lock and key soon enough. He'll either be put in at #1 or #2 and contest the vacant title, or the WBO will miraculously make him mandatory challenger to the new belt holder if he wants more time.

He'll have the opportunity to unify again with the division wide open. Arslan will be the weakest link and seems the easiest option, whilst Kraj will be in the mix for the vacant WBC title. And Cunningham too of course.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 09 Mar 2008, 05:22

I feel sorry for Enzo, he was gutted and seemed a nice guy but it was basically down to levels or even level of opposition. As soon as Haye started landing and Enzo felt the power and the speed he soon realised that he wasn't in there with Hobson, Gunn or Azzaoui anymore, but the best fighter in the division.

I said it before and stand by it, Haye's opposition has always been better and he won his titles the hard way. Enzo's people were banking on him taking Haye into the later rounds and stopping him due to a weak chin and poor stamina and highjacking the main belts via the back door.

Haye won the European off Gurov and defended against Johansen and Fragomeni before going into the champion's backyard and stopping him. Maccarinelli won his title by default and beat Dominguez who solely traded on toughness and was a WBC champion many moons ago, Braithwaite (give him that one), Hobson a domestic operator, Gunn god knows what level he was at and Azzaoui a world class roll-on-the-floor artist.

Might sound harsh but that's how i see it. Critics cited the fact Haye beat has-beens like Glen Kelly and Arthur Williams. True but better to beat has-beens than never-were's! Enzo was fed with LaMontagne, Heinichen, Bugaj, Morais and Kristjansen at the same points. This was the difference.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Mar 2008, 05:25

Look at cruiserweight when Haye has moved up.

Alexander Alexeev, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Tomasz Adamek, O'Neil Bell, Herbie Hide, Matt Godfrey, Aaron Williams, Steve Cunningham. Cunningham holds the IBF. All the others are closing in on world title shots at different speeds. I don't think there is any room to have too many easy fights.

I didn't think Enzo was bad. It looked like a quality boxing match and he was dropping in some decent left hooks to the body. But Haye was so much faster on the trigger and like Booth said, it was a bit of a contest between who would land first, Enzo with the left hook to the body & Haye with the devastating right hand. I think Enzo needed to stay away during the early rds, pop the jab and work Haye's body over rds 4, 5 and 6. But Haye already was outjabbing him & just so much faster.

DH just never let him off the hook with that fast right. When Enzo was stunned Haye dished out the real body beating. And then lowered the boom spectacularly.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 09 Mar 2008, 05:26

Autobarn wrote:I don't think there is any room to have too many easy fights.

Autobarn, a man of your experience to be so naive

Easy fights will be found, brother. You can bet your bottom dollar on that!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Mar 2008, 05:32

LOL, I just mean that there are quality names closing in. i haven't looked at the WBO ratings yet though. was kind of hoping that some of those names were rated pretty highly!

I wonder, did Frank let Macca down a bit getting him all those easy WBO defenses (bar Braithwaite). Don't think those fights really did anything for him on Saturday.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 09 Mar 2008, 06:06

Mac will win a belt back, he was caught by a good shot before having a decent first round.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 09 Mar 2008, 06:06

He did mate, that's why i put it in my post. In the short term those mismatches make money but in the long term they do nothing to improve a fighter. Yes Maccarinelli did look improved, he did box better when he joined the Calzaghe stable but he wasn't boxing the elite was he? When the crunch came he was underprepared with a lack of world class action.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 09 Mar 2008, 06:31

With Haye having moved up, Enzo is the best cruiserweight out there now. There's no reason why he can't clean up the other belts. There is no shame at all in losing to David Haye.

Big Pussy · Post by **Big Pussy** » 09 Mar 2008, 06:48

glahn wrote:With Haye having moved up, Enzo is the best cruiserweight out there now. There's no reason why he can't clean up the other belts. There is no shame at all in losing to David Haye.

You need to lay off the crack pipe!

Ally-M1 · Post by **Ally-M1** » 09 Mar 2008, 07:21

steve689 wrote:I feel sorry for Enzo, he was gutted and seemed a nice guy but it was basically down to levels or even level of opposition. As soon as Haye started landing and Enzo felt the power and the speed he soon realised that he wasn't in there with Hobson, Gunn or Azzaoui anymore, but the best fighter in the division.

I said it before and stand by it, Haye's opposition has always been better and he won his titles the hard way. Enzo's people were banking on him taking Haye into the later rounds and stopping him due to a weak chin and poor stamina and highjacking the main belts via the back door.

Haye won the European off Gurov and defended against Johansen and Fragomeni before going into the champion's backyard and stopping him. Maccarinelli won his title by default and beat Dominguez who solely traded on toughness and was a WBC champion many moons ago, Braithwaite (give him that one), Hobson a domestic operator, Gunn god knows what level he was at and Azzaoui a world class roll-on-the-floor artist.

Might sound harsh but that's how i see it. Critics cited the fact Haye beat has-beens like Glen Kelly and Arthur Williams. True but better to beat has-beens than never-were's! Enzo was fed with LaMontagne, Heinichen, Bugaj, Morais and Kristjansen at the same points. This was the difference.

Good post...

I was thinking the same last night - especially about the level of opposition.. However you have summed it up already...

Enzo just looked a class below Haye, I feel he'll have a chance to get in the mix whilst Haye departs but he'll have to stay fighting a decent level rather than trudging back to the cannon-fodder he has been served to this point...

I was delighted though with a Haye win :)

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 09 Mar 2008, 07:29

Enzo can come again, but no way will he dominate the division now Haye has gone.

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 09 Mar 2008, 07:30

Carbo wrote:I think I would. Enzo was awful on the night against a rapacious Haye. Enzo did just about everything wrong.

He didn't throw enough leather, he didn't keep his chin tucked in, he kept pulling his head back and up when he threw the jab... the list goes on and I only watched the second round.

Anyway, Enzo looked good against Braithwaite, and I think he'd beat Moremeck, who was poor against Haye.

Cunningham would be different, but I back Enzo to learn from this shambles and come back brighter.

Enzo always does those things, it's just that his opposition is so s**t that he doesn't get punished for it. Even Braithwaite was at an all time low when he fought Enzo and he looked a bit shot.

It happens all the time where a guy looks good when he's fighting opponents who don't fire back and then gets totally found out when he step's up. I'm not saying Enzo is no good or anything, but he would not be favourite against Mormeck, Bell or Cunningham in my eye's. No way! Those guy's have all proven a lot more than Enzo. It's alright talking about what a guy can do, but at the end of the day what's important is what he does do. Enzo hasn't done a whole lot at world level.

It's just another example of a fighter getting overly hyped on here, because he's British. It keeps happening time and time again. The fact is we don't produce many truly top class fighters and Enzo is certainly not one of them.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Mar 2008, 07:34

Good point. As some mags have been pointing out, Haye was fighting guys with proper notice and learning with each fight. Enzo was fighting ppl who maybe allowed him to flatter to decieve (i.e. at best, great PAPER win over Braithwaite; at worst, destroyed clubfighter Gunn). We can see clearly which is the right route. Future promoters look and learn!

sendo · Post by **sendo** » 09 Mar 2008, 08:01

There's no shame in getting ko-ed by Haye, but how easy it was for him shows how limited Enzo Macc is. He is so slow, upright and one dimensional. I don't rate his power either, just looks good bullying smaller fighters or people even slower than him.

I can't see him standing much of a chance against Cunningham who would box rings round him, or Mormeck and Bell if they are in shape as they would KO him. Autobarn you can add Rudolf Kraj to your list, now WBC no 1 after beating Godfrey.

At best Macc gets his WBO belt back and clings on to it against the bum of the month club.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 09 Mar 2008, 08:21

I think its sad but true that this fight showed beyond all doubt that Enzo isn't a world level fighter.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 09 Mar 2008, 08:52

I agree with James, fair play to Maccarinelli wanting to fight the best and believing he could win, he came up short and just happened to be a perfect style for Haye, no real shame in that.

I just hope that they don't pick up the WBO against a scrub and defend it against nobodies. Enzo may have been knocked out but he got his name out there due to this big fight (people I know who have no interest in boxing had mentioned this fight to me). Cunningham could still be a good fight for Enzo and I hope he learns from this, does come across as a nice bloke.

In a way it's a shame Haye is leaving what is turning into an excellent division and joining the dross up at heavyweight. Totally understand making weight is difficult plus the extra £'s that can be made up there but the exciting fights are probably at 200 pounds

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