Prime Julio Ceasar Chaves vs Prime Kosta Tsyzu

TigerMoth · Post by **TigerMoth** » 08 Mar 2008, 03:32

I am not an expert on their best weights, although, I believe they were fairly close in size. So, consider the best weight at which this fight could have happened.

For me, a very tough call.

I pick Kosta for a KO but, I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 08 Mar 2008, 10:38

sorry but i reckon JCC wins by decision everytime.

Chava · Post by **Chava** » 08 Mar 2008, 11:55

I think Chavez stops him in the late rounds.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 08 Mar 2008, 14:13

I cannot for the life of me see Tszyu beating the young, hungry Chavez. Tszyu was never the kind of one-shot hitter Foreman or Hearns were, though at Jr. Welter he was a very good (just not great) puncher. He was remarkably consistent, aged excellently, & was very adept (not given enough credit) for his tactical capacity --- he knew what it was to seek & expose weaknesses in the opposition, as I made mention of in the Mosley-Tszyu hypothetical.

Even so, Chavez can absorb everything in Tszyu's arsenal (& more, I'd be willing to bet), but he can outwork Tszyu whilst doing it. Tszyu often had his elbows held wide, failing to tuck them in. Chavez would turn those ribs into soup, & this would be the foundation for a late, corner-induced stoppage. Tszyu bravely stays on his feet during a particularly savage beating endured in the tenth (by far, the most one-sided round of the fight), but his corner don't let him come out for anything more.

Chavez TKO10 Tszyu.

theone · Post by **theone** » 08 Mar 2008, 15:35

I couldn't agree more, Goodnight.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 08 Mar 2008, 18:52

Well here I go again sticking up for the russian/aussie. Betting on him and feeling certain in this case to collect. I think the quitting on the stool moment has introduced an element that is being extrapolated beyond any sensibility.

I think he could be the man to KO Chavez in his prime. But since they fought at a time when it was a bit lopsided in terms of prime it may be held against Kostya on a sentiment basis.

Just an opinion...and I know Chavez fans are pretty loyal. I don't mean any disrespect I just think this would be the outcome.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 08 Mar 2008, 19:47

Tzsyu might win several rounds and even be ahead, but a prime Chavez is unhurtable and has one of the best body attacks in history. He'd gradually wear Tzsyu down with his body punching and score a KO somewhere between the 8th and 10th rounds.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 08 Mar 2008, 20:14

Very hard fight to pick, but I would lean towards a Tszyu late stoppage. Kostya's speed was really underated in his eariler career and it really diminished after his injuries / lay-off. JCC epitimised the Mexican warrior, but was also very clever in which (in his prime) rarely got caught flush. Chavez was primed in 90 IMO and Tszyu in 98. I just think Tszyu's mauradering style would break Chavez down and finish him late in a really close and ROUGH fight.

Tszyu TKO 11 Chavez.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 08 Mar 2008, 21:14

I had the time so I ran a sim for anyone interested.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

tennessee · Post by **tennessee** » 08 Mar 2008, 22:05

tzsyu's lack of head movement would cost him against chavez.

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 09 Mar 2008, 05:28

Thing about Chavez is I thought he was at his best at 130 and 135 and at 140 his power wasn't quite as effective and he started slowing a little, but he was still an incredible force in his late prime and post-prime at the weight. I pretty much agree with Goodnight, Chavez stops Tszyu late with that constant assault he used to just maul opponents with. Chavez was pretty much the definition of a guy who you didn't want to war with not just cause he hit like a sledgehammer, but cause he'd take massive shots without so much as flinching and then keep coming after you.

Minotauro · Post by **Minotauro** » 09 Mar 2008, 14:13

A prime Chavez had the style to beat Tzsyu constant pressure a great chin and wouldn't give Kostya and space to throw his straight right. Chavez win TKO late.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Mar 2008, 18:32

Is this hypothetical pound for pound? If so I see the sense in the response's of folks. But in their primes Tszyu is two weight classes about Chavez.

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 09 Mar 2008, 20:01

BoxBuzz wrote:Is this hypothetical pound for pound? If so I see the sense in the response's of folks. But in their primes Tszyu is two weight classes about Chavez.

I based my response on a Prime LWW Chavez, as in the best years of his LWW career versus Tszyu's own best LWW years (easy since he only ever fought there).

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 09 Mar 2008, 20:04

At JWW, Chavez half killed Meldrick Taylor and Hector Camacho, while Tszyu got stopped by Vince Phillips and almost stopped in the 1st by Diosbelys Hurtado. The thought of Kosta Tszyu stopping a prime Julio Cesar Chavez is plain laughable. Quite alot of disrespect on here lately for one of the greatest fighters who ever lived. I mean it only took him till his 91st fight before someone even dropped him.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Mar 2008, 22:03

I have no disrespect for Chavez or Tszyu. I'm just inclined to go with Kostya on this hypothetical prime matchup. I can clearly understand why I might be in the minority viewpoint.

Prime Julio Ceasar Chaves vs Prime Kosta Tsyzu

Julio Ceaser Chavez vs Kosta Tsyzu

Prime Julio Ceasar Chaves vs Prime Kosta Tsyzu