Frank Maloney.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Mar 2008, 10:38

Its probably been asked else where - but why wasn't Frank involved at all with Haye... is their relationship over?

I would have liked to have seen Haye shown more appreciation for Frank who at least assisted in guiding him to Pole Position with the WBC and done a great job in picking up the pieces post Thompson.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 09 Mar 2008, 10:53

Yes. The Mormeck fight was his last with Frank M.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 09 Mar 2008, 10:55

I think he progressed well under him

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 09 Mar 2008, 18:24

Didn't realise he had split from Maloney. Was wondering why he wasn't present at ringside before/after the fight. Haye managing himself could end up in disaster, very few do it effectively, just look at A-farce. Maloney did well for Haye's career and he would do well to acknowledge that.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 09 Mar 2008, 19:02

steve689 wrote:Didn't realise he had split from Maloney. Was wondering why he wasn't present at ringside before/after the fight. Haye managing himself could end up in disaster, very few do it effectively, just look at A-farce. Maloney did well for Haye's career and he would do well to acknowledge that.

Isn't Adam Booth his manager and trainer?

BAMBI · Post by **BAMBI** » 09 Mar 2008, 21:17

so why was Malony present during the thursday's press conference?

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 09 Mar 2008, 22:51

BAMBI wrote:so why was Malony present during the thursday's press conference?

He wasn't; he was with Johanneson, and they both left before Haye arrived.

BAMBI · Post by **BAMBI** » 09 Mar 2008, 23:34

oliverfennell wrote:
BAMBI wrote:so why was Malony present during the thursday's press conference?
He wasn't; he was with Johanneson, and they both left before Haye arrived.

arrrrgh, oh yeah..cheers!!

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 10 Mar 2008, 04:51

I thought it was a bit insensitive of Haye to say in the ring after the JMM fight that he was a free agent so lets get it on with Enzo. Esp. since Frank was stood next to him and got him the title shot!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Mar 2008, 06:58

I suppose Maloney got him to the titles - EBU and unified World champ - and then Warren delivered the big "event" fight for the big money, that has catapulted Haye to stardom.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 10 Mar 2008, 07:30

Autobarn,

sorry to be picky mate - It wasn't Frank Maloney who got David Haye the European Title - it was Fight Academy - David made is first defence on a Maloney show - Gurov was touted for Haye because of some extensive sparring the 2 of them did in the UK and it was Team Haye who believed Gurov was there for the taking and insisted on them fighting Gurov.

With regards to Frank - he is a born survivor in the boxing world and have no fear he will be doing well in boxing regardless of what else is going on around him.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Mar 2008, 07:49

Spud wrote:Autobarn,

sorry to be picky mate - It wasn't Frank Maloney who got David Haye the European Title - it was Fight Academy - David made is first defence on a Maloney show - Gurov was touted for Haye because of some extensive sparring the 2 of them did in the UK and it was Team Haye who believed Gurov was there for the taking and insisted on them fighting Gurov.

With regards to Frank - he is a born survivor in the boxing world and have no fear he will be doing well in boxing regardless of what else is going on around him.

thanks for pointing out - I wasn't sure when Hobson ended and Maloney began...

I'll settle for Maloney got him the fights that prepared him physically and mentally for the world title.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 10 Mar 2008, 07:54

Autobarn wrote:
Spud wrote:Autobarn,

sorry to be picky mate - It wasn't Frank Maloney who got David Haye the European Title - it was Fight Academy - David made is first defence on a Maloney show - Gurov was touted for Haye because of some extensive sparring the 2 of them did in the UK and it was Team Haye who believed Gurov was there for the taking and insisted on them fighting Gurov.

With regards to Frank - he is a born survivor in the boxing world and have no fear he will be doing well in boxing regardless of what else is going on around him.
thanks for pointing out - I wasn't sure when Hobson ended and Maloney began...

I'll settle for Maloney got him the fights that prepared him physically and mentally for the world title.

There is no doubt in my view F rank Maloney is a bloody good manager and promoter - but Team Haye are shall we say a law unto themselves in that they handpicked the opponents - the promoters supplied the money to pay them.

I am sure Adam Booth will not mind me putting it diplomatically that Team Haye drove a hard bargain at all times - some people found them difficult to deal with whilst others did not.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Mar 2008, 07:56

yeah, Haye does seem strong willed and comes across as a guy who won't be dictated to (like Benn in some ways) or held back.

The fact that he was fighting old ama foes like Frago in defending his EBU title seems to back this up as well.

the smarts Haye and Booth showed in making the Enzo Mac fight does put them across as guys who know exactly what they are doing and where they are going.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 10 Mar 2008, 08:11

chesh wrote:
steve689 wrote:Didn't realise he had split from Maloney. Was wondering why he wasn't present at ringside before/after the fight. Haye managing himself could end up in disaster, very few do it effectively, just look at A-farce. Maloney did well for Haye's career and he would do well to acknowledge that.
Isn't Adam Booth his manager and trainer?

Yes, but he still needs a promoter IMO and Warren can get him the big money better than anybody else. Having said that full credit to Frank Maloney, who did a great job.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 10 Mar 2008, 08:13

WildWaylon wrote:
chesh wrote:
steve689 wrote:Didn't realise he had split from Maloney. Was wondering why he wasn't present at ringside before/after the fight. Haye managing himself could end up in disaster, very few do it effectively, just look at A-farce. Maloney did well for Haye's career and he would do well to acknowledge that.
Isn't Adam Booth his manager and trainer?
Yes, but he still needs a promoter

Does he??

Or - what about European or American promoters?

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 10 Mar 2008, 08:38

Haye to stick with Warren or join up with Golden Boy?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Mar 2008, 08:40

I cannot see Haye signing a long term deal with any British Promoter, unless there was a huge amount of money on the table.

I can see him relocating to America, and imagine it will be a three fight deal at most with anyone, or perhaps like Hatton a fight by fight deal, and an agreement with a network.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 10 Mar 2008, 09:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I cannot see Haye signing a long term deal with any British Promoter, unless there was a huge amount of money on the table.

I can see him relocating to America, and imagine it will be a three fight deal at most with anyone, or perhaps like Hatton a fight by fight deal, and an agreement with a network.

You have got it spot on - Haye will rightly go where the money is - and my bet is as you state he will not get tied down to any form of long term contract with a promoter.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 10 Mar 2008, 15:33

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 10 Mar 2008, 15:53

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:

Emerson - you are wrong mate.

Team Haye like to do the unexpected.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 10 Mar 2008, 16:26

team haye have constantly proved that you can make it big time in boxing by driving your own chariot, the only thing missing was the horse...and hobson, maloney and eventually warren acted the part of the horse.

expect team haye to suddely appear with their own horse, with a lovely 'hayemaker' t-shirt across its flank.

ladies and gentlemen....i give you 'hayemaker promotions' ...

ok, all a bit pie in the sky, but it certainly sounds good, its proved very marketable, and booth and haye certainly proved that they 'roll the dice' .. they are not afraid to gamble and take on the big boys, both in the ring and out of it.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 10 Mar 2008, 16:45

Spud wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Emerson - you are wrong mate.

Team Haye like to do the unexpected.

If they're offered huge sums of money, and a large amount of pull at the bargaining table (which GBP do, espeically with HBO and in the US in general) I'm not convinced fella.

Schaefer is desperate for a HW to add to their roster.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Mar 2008, 16:49

Didn't GBP invest a bit into Ibragimov? If so, that didn't pay off too well...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Mar 2008, 16:51

Autobarn wrote:Didn't GBP invest a bit into Ibragimov? If so, that didn't pay off too well...

I thought Ibragimov is a Warriors boxing fighter.