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Shabazz .The doctor who saw him yesterday though it better to sit out 30 days after he lost a Rsc in Russia.I believe he recieve an H.He is young with a great future why risk it. Anthony and Porter looked good yesterday also some of the others. I guess thats lucky news for Williams.Today is some good matchups.
Well, according to the results, Shabazz lost by decision in Russia (15-9). So how a doctor discovered an "H" is a bit puzzling. I also can't see USAB entering him into the Championships if he was "H'd" and under a 30 day wsuspension. Doesn't make sense. I'll see what I can find out.Shabazz .The doctor who saw him yesterday though it better to sit out 30 days after he lost a Rsc in Russia.I believe he recieve an H.
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ringsidemike
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I have a copy of the bout..
Siju was hurt many times in the 1st round, including two standing eight counts, the first coming on the very first punch landed.
3-9 after 1
Siju did alot better in round 2, circling and avoiding, and landing some combinations inside, but he couldnt do anything to deter Beterbiev. A straight right with 20 seconds left scored another eight count.
6-12 after 2
Then.. 13 seconds into round 3, Beterbiev landed a devastating right which crumbled Siju in a heap and the referee stopped it immediately.
He seemed fine and coherent a few minutes later and the doctor seemed happy with his recovery.
The recording cuts off before any announcement or mention of official decision.
I recall Siju having alot of hair at the Trials? He was clean shaven for this bout. The commentators clearly say Shabazz a few times and it is 81kg.
In the bouts that I watched, the Russians, especially the bigger guys, like Beterbiev & Romanov, are well schooled on cutting off the ring and proper foot placement. They plant well in order to land with greatest impact. But they are slow footed, mechanical, constant & predictable. Their worst attribute is they dont jab!
A good jab will deter their pressure, and a good boxer should be able to get in and out quickly. But when they land clean with straight punches, they can score KOs.
Michael Hunter was a bright spot. He jabbed well and tied up when his opponent got inside his jab. He disturbed their rythm and was much much quicker. He blocked the majority of punches thrown at him and displayed some shoulder rolls. Basically he never gave them a target to tee off on, while staying active with hooks at his range and not sitting at their range. To be fair, both his opponents didnt look very experienced, but neither is he. With Russians dominating the Professional heavyweight top-10, I thought Hunter would have a tough time. He did great.
Siju was hurt many times in the 1st round, including two standing eight counts, the first coming on the very first punch landed.
3-9 after 1
Siju did alot better in round 2, circling and avoiding, and landing some combinations inside, but he couldnt do anything to deter Beterbiev. A straight right with 20 seconds left scored another eight count.
6-12 after 2
Then.. 13 seconds into round 3, Beterbiev landed a devastating right which crumbled Siju in a heap and the referee stopped it immediately.
He seemed fine and coherent a few minutes later and the doctor seemed happy with his recovery.
The recording cuts off before any announcement or mention of official decision.
I recall Siju having alot of hair at the Trials? He was clean shaven for this bout. The commentators clearly say Shabazz a few times and it is 81kg.
In the bouts that I watched, the Russians, especially the bigger guys, like Beterbiev & Romanov, are well schooled on cutting off the ring and proper foot placement. They plant well in order to land with greatest impact. But they are slow footed, mechanical, constant & predictable. Their worst attribute is they dont jab!
A good jab will deter their pressure, and a good boxer should be able to get in and out quickly. But when they land clean with straight punches, they can score KOs.
Michael Hunter was a bright spot. He jabbed well and tied up when his opponent got inside his jab. He disturbed their rythm and was much much quicker. He blocked the majority of punches thrown at him and displayed some shoulder rolls. Basically he never gave them a target to tee off on, while staying active with hooks at his range and not sitting at their range. To be fair, both his opponents didnt look very experienced, but neither is he. With Russians dominating the Professional heavyweight top-10, I thought Hunter would have a tough time. He did great.
Hal and Kolya - He is one of those young guns you sometimes don't know much about unless you have seen him at a national tourney or are from his area. Is Manny 16 or 17?Kolya wrote:Indeed, Manny is a hell of a fighter. Everyone back home talked about how good he is.squarering wrote:Dennis, Keep an Iey on Manny(Emanual) Taylor. Lots of experience and has the tools to get the job done. His brother was right there knocking on the door but lost interest and had some bad distractions. Well over 200 bouts.
His older brother Maxell was a pretty good amateur boxer too. What has happened to him as a pro? Is he still boxing?
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201 - Today's bouts:
Joe Guzman, Fort Carson, Colo. - Army vs. Craig Lewis, Detroit, Mich. Guzman defeated Carey in '07 US Chp which surpised me and Carey defeated Lewis. So if you by A beat B and B beat C, then A should beat C, Guzman wins. However, Guzman has not impressed me in other bouts so I think Lewis should win.
Sifou Sua, Murray, Utah vs. Michael Bissett, Smyrna, Tenn. I have no idea about this bout.
Donnavan Dennis, Davenport, Iowa vs. David Thompson, Brooklyn, N.Y. This should be a very good bout. I think it could go either way.
Akeem Holland, Fairfield, Calif. vs. James Sterling - Air Force I don't know much about Sterling, but Holland is strong but doesn't have great technical skills.
James Thomas, San Diego, Calif. vs. Joey Dawejko, Philadelphia, Pa. Thomas defeated some decent boxers to get here. Joey has done well too. I would like to watch this bout.
Jeremiah Graziano, Lenexa, Kansas vs. Jerome Amato, Camp Lejeune, N.C. - USMC I think the Marine is going to be in trouble here. Graziano is too strong for Amato. Amato doesn't have the experience to deal with Jeremiah's power and bobbing & weaving defense.
Craig Baker, Baytown Texas vs. David Imoesiri, Seattle, Wash. This could be an interesting bout with two experienced boxers. I think Baker will win though.
Paul Koon, Philadelphia, Pa. vs. Yuwshua Zadok, Atlanta, Ga. Koon did not look great against Kisner in his Regional tourney, but with Kisner's stick and move style it can make a lot of guys look bad. I think Koon will be too strong for Zadok and Paul will win.
Now, I would appreciate someone telling me how the fights actually go and not just the scores.
Joe Guzman, Fort Carson, Colo. - Army vs. Craig Lewis, Detroit, Mich. Guzman defeated Carey in '07 US Chp which surpised me and Carey defeated Lewis. So if you by A beat B and B beat C, then A should beat C, Guzman wins. However, Guzman has not impressed me in other bouts so I think Lewis should win.
Sifou Sua, Murray, Utah vs. Michael Bissett, Smyrna, Tenn. I have no idea about this bout.
Donnavan Dennis, Davenport, Iowa vs. David Thompson, Brooklyn, N.Y. This should be a very good bout. I think it could go either way.
Akeem Holland, Fairfield, Calif. vs. James Sterling - Air Force I don't know much about Sterling, but Holland is strong but doesn't have great technical skills.
James Thomas, San Diego, Calif. vs. Joey Dawejko, Philadelphia, Pa. Thomas defeated some decent boxers to get here. Joey has done well too. I would like to watch this bout.
Jeremiah Graziano, Lenexa, Kansas vs. Jerome Amato, Camp Lejeune, N.C. - USMC I think the Marine is going to be in trouble here. Graziano is too strong for Amato. Amato doesn't have the experience to deal with Jeremiah's power and bobbing & weaving defense.
Craig Baker, Baytown Texas vs. David Imoesiri, Seattle, Wash. This could be an interesting bout with two experienced boxers. I think Baker will win though.
Paul Koon, Philadelphia, Pa. vs. Yuwshua Zadok, Atlanta, Ga. Koon did not look great against Kisner in his Regional tourney, but with Kisner's stick and move style it can make a lot of guys look bad. I think Koon will be too strong for Zadok and Paul will win.
Now, I would appreciate someone telling me how the fights actually go and not just the scores.
Future stars
Here's what I observed Graziano fight went as predicted,every punch hard with few combinations.Each punch doing sometype of damage.The opposition proved to have alot of heart and lasted until the end of the second.The Porter fight was a great fight.Both fighters toe to toe until a right ended it in the later rounds.Gumina/Spencer was a good fight.Gumina ahead with hard shots,rights & left hooks, until running out of gas and losing 16-15.Holland overpowered and peppered his opponent with hard shots to the body and head until he went down.Joey D outboxed his opponent scoring with his hook looking relaxed and staying ahead by 1 or 2 points all the way.Close fight.Tough opponent.
actionfan - According to the results on USAB's website, Joey D lost by 2 points. You said he won by 1 or 2 points. I figured this was going to be a close, tough bout.
Guzman almost defeated Lewis, which surprises me. Just like it surprised me when he defeated Carey last year, but then went and was demolished by Zimmerman.
Dennis v Thompson - I thought this one would be good and could go either way. Dennis won by RSC-4, which means the skills he showed against Wilson last year must still be on display. I think he could be someone to watch out for in this tournament. I wish they put up the brackets so we could see them.
Holland won easily, which wasn't too much of a surprise against a relative newcomer.
I had said that I didn't think Amato wouldn't be able to deal with Graziano and I was correct.
I predicted that Baker would defeat Imoeseri, but I wasn't expecting a stoppage win.
I predicted that Koon would defeat Zadok, but Yuwshua did better than expected and lost by only 1 point. However, it could be that Paul just didn't perform as well as expected.
Sua v. Bissett - I had no idea and Bissett won by stoppage. I'm not sure that says much as Sua was not a known commodity. We will see how he does in his next bout, which will tell us a lot more.
Guzman almost defeated Lewis, which surprises me. Just like it surprised me when he defeated Carey last year, but then went and was demolished by Zimmerman.
Dennis v Thompson - I thought this one would be good and could go either way. Dennis won by RSC-4, which means the skills he showed against Wilson last year must still be on display. I think he could be someone to watch out for in this tournament. I wish they put up the brackets so we could see them.
Holland won easily, which wasn't too much of a surprise against a relative newcomer.
I had said that I didn't think Amato wouldn't be able to deal with Graziano and I was correct.
I predicted that Baker would defeat Imoeseri, but I wasn't expecting a stoppage win.
I predicted that Koon would defeat Zadok, but Yuwshua did better than expected and lost by only 1 point. However, it could be that Paul just didn't perform as well as expected.
Sua v. Bissett - I had no idea and Bissett won by stoppage. I'm not sure that says much as Sua was not a known commodity. We will see how he does in his next bout, which will tell us a lot more.
165 - Luis Arias defeating Wade is impressive. I knew Arias was one to watch out for in this tournament. Cerresso Fort showed why I said he was a guy that would be competitive in this weight class. Aleem Whitfield also is doing well as expected.
141 - The work that O'Connor has been doing with the training camps and international competition must be helping as blanking brooks 7-0 is impressive. Manny Taylor showed why he is a young gun to watch. Adrian Granados is showing why he was good enough to defeat some very skilled guys at the Great Lakes regional.
201 - Joey D is listed on the bout sheet for today so the results page must be wrong as it has Joey losing by 2 points.
141 - The work that O'Connor has been doing with the training camps and international competition must be helping as blanking brooks 7-0 is impressive. Manny Taylor showed why he is a young gun to watch. Adrian Granados is showing why he was good enough to defeat some very skilled guys at the Great Lakes regional.
201 - Joey D is listed on the bout sheet for today so the results page must be wrong as it has Joey losing by 2 points.
Some of the bouts for tonight and my thoughts:
201 lbs/91 kg: Jeremiah Graziano, Lenexa, Kansas vs. Craig Lewis, Detroit, Mich. This one is going to be very interesting. The fact that Guzman did so well yesterday doesn't bode well for Craig today. However, if he uses his reach and boxing skills he should win this bout. Graziano hits hard but can be found on his way in and then you just don't stick around for the return fire. Easy game plan, but does he execute it.
201 lbs/91 kg: Paul Koon, Philadelphia, Pa. vs. Donnavan Dennis, Davenport, Iowa. Based upon their performances yesterday (I'm just going by who they boxed and the results since I didn't watch the bouts), I think Dennis may surprise Paul and win this one.
141 lbs/64 kg: Emanuel Taylor, Edgewood, Md. vs. Adrian Granados, North Riverside, Ill. 2 very skilled boxers. This bout will tell me a lot about the young gun Taylor. He is in their with a tough opponent today.
141 lbs/64 kg: Jamal James, Minneapolis, Minn. vs. Dan O’Connor, Framington, Mass. Wow, this bout should be amazing. Hard to predict a winner here.
165 lbs/75 kg: Aleem Whitfield, Geneva, N.Y. vs. Cerresso Fort, St. Paul, Minn. Another very tough bout to predict a winner. Could definitely go either way.
201 lbs/91 kg: Akeem Holland, Fairfield, Calif. vs. Craig Barker, Baytown, Texas I think Baker's boxing skills and hands up defense will be enough to thwart the raw strength of Holland.
165 lbs/75 kg: James Taylor, San Diego, Calif. - Navy vs. Luis Arias, Milwaukee, Wis. Arias will win this one.
165 lbs/75 kg: Shawn Porter, Stow, Ohio vs. Jesse Hart, Philadelphia, Pa. Porter is a beast and will win again.
201 lbs/91 kg: Michael Bissett, Smyna, Tenn. vs. Joey Dawejko, Philadelphia, Pa. This will show if Bissett is good or not. My guess is Joey will win this one.
201 lbs/91 kg: Jeremiah Graziano, Lenexa, Kansas vs. Craig Lewis, Detroit, Mich. This one is going to be very interesting. The fact that Guzman did so well yesterday doesn't bode well for Craig today. However, if he uses his reach and boxing skills he should win this bout. Graziano hits hard but can be found on his way in and then you just don't stick around for the return fire. Easy game plan, but does he execute it.
201 lbs/91 kg: Paul Koon, Philadelphia, Pa. vs. Donnavan Dennis, Davenport, Iowa. Based upon their performances yesterday (I'm just going by who they boxed and the results since I didn't watch the bouts), I think Dennis may surprise Paul and win this one.
141 lbs/64 kg: Emanuel Taylor, Edgewood, Md. vs. Adrian Granados, North Riverside, Ill. 2 very skilled boxers. This bout will tell me a lot about the young gun Taylor. He is in their with a tough opponent today.
141 lbs/64 kg: Jamal James, Minneapolis, Minn. vs. Dan O’Connor, Framington, Mass. Wow, this bout should be amazing. Hard to predict a winner here.
165 lbs/75 kg: Aleem Whitfield, Geneva, N.Y. vs. Cerresso Fort, St. Paul, Minn. Another very tough bout to predict a winner. Could definitely go either way.
201 lbs/91 kg: Akeem Holland, Fairfield, Calif. vs. Craig Barker, Baytown, Texas I think Baker's boxing skills and hands up defense will be enough to thwart the raw strength of Holland.
165 lbs/75 kg: James Taylor, San Diego, Calif. - Navy vs. Luis Arias, Milwaukee, Wis. Arias will win this one.
165 lbs/75 kg: Shawn Porter, Stow, Ohio vs. Jesse Hart, Philadelphia, Pa. Porter is a beast and will win again.
201 lbs/91 kg: Michael Bissett, Smyna, Tenn. vs. Joey Dawejko, Philadelphia, Pa. This will show if Bissett is good or not. My guess is Joey will win this one.
Dennis, Joey won. Last night I heard he passed out. After seeing a doctor he was diagnosed with a concussion.Also Kelly Buchanan has a broken nose giving the 178 from minnesota a walkover today.After watching Jeffrey Spencer fight today,in MY Opinion,he was worked over pretty good by Gumina's power yesterday.He looked liked an entirely different fighter losing badly to Page.
Dennis, Joey won. Last night I heard he passed out. After seeing a doctor he was diagnosed with a concussion.Also Kelly Buchanan has a broken nose giving the 178 from minnesota a walkover today.After watching Jeffrey Spencer fight today,in MY Opinion,he was worked over pretty good by Gumina's power yesterday.He looked liked an entirely different fighter losing badly to Page.
The Porter fight was very close.His opponent threw good hard jabs and counter punches.The scoring didn't go his way.Big punch at the buzzer didn't count.Porter used his very aggressive style to land, however,he was much wilder than in his previous bouts.It could have gone either way.Holland took it to Baker in the first two rounds banging on him hard.Holland ran out of gas in the third after taking a body shot and was dropped with a big left hook.Graziano's fight was stopped 22-2 in the third.Lewis took some big shots and never went down.
201+ - I have no idea since I don't know Agha or Hamer. Lenroy Thompson will make it very difficult for Agha to land punches as he MOVES A LOT. Shepherd is big and strong and could pose serious problems for Hamer.
201 - Obviously Lewis didn't execute the game plan. He probably tried to slug with Graziano or didn't use good basic boxing skills. Baker and Graziano boxed at the PAL so we will see if Baker learned anything from that bout. Koon vs. Bissett. I was surprised by Koon's easy victory over Donnovan Dennis so Bissett could be in trouble. Most likely Graziano vs Koon in the final.
178 - DeRae Crane will be too tough for Faulk. Crane is very strong. I don't know much about Page and Anthony, but just seeing the results of how Anthony has done and against whom I would have to say Dorian Anthony will make it to the finals.
165 - I think we will see an Arias vs. Porter final.
152 - Spence will get by Carter. Starks vs. Campbell is tough to predict. I will go with Starks.
141 - Manny Taylor is the real deal. Watson could be in real trouble. I think O'Connor will defeat Robinson. Taylor vs. O'Connor in the final should be a great bout.
132 - Shemuel Pagan, Brooklyn, N.Y. vs. Fidel Maldonado, Albuquerque, N.M. Pagan has impressed me with his wins so I see him going to the finals.
Miguel Gonzales, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Jesse Carradine, Cincinnati, Ohio
The two Ohio guys will mix it up, but I think Gonzales is back to his 2004 form and will win.
125 - Guy Robb, Sacramento, Calif. vs. Robert Rodriquez, Evans, Colo. Tough one to predict, but Robb has defeated two tough opponents already.
Mercedes Manriquez, Houston, Texas vs. Lesley Walker, Las Vegas, Nev.
I have no idea on this one.
119 - Roman Morales, San Ardo, Calif. vs. Ronny Rios, Santa Ana, Calif. My guess is that these guys have boxed before as they are both from California. Not knowing the outcome of their previous bout(s), I would say Rios since he has impressed me a lot over the last year.
Antonio Nieves, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Paul Romero, Phoenix, Ariz. I think I give the edge to Romero over Nieves.
112 - Raul Lopez, Bronx, N.Y, vs. Bruno Escalante, Waimanalo, Hawaii This should be a good battle. Lopez defeated another tough Lopez from Texas in a repeat of his '07 JO win. Lopez is a young gun and faces a slightly older foe in Escalante. Escalante has been around for a little while now, but I think will lose a close bout.
Michael Ruiz, Fresno, Calif. vs. Randy Caballero, Coachella, Calif. Caballero is one of those young guns moving up to the open-class. He avenged his '07 Nat'l JO loss to Determan by clearly outpointing him in the quarter-finals. It is possible that Ruiz and Caballero boxed before, but Caballero showed against Determan that doesn't always matter. Caballero has international experience and I think that too will help him win. I see two former Nat'l JO Champs who are both probably 17 facing each other in the finals. Caballero v Lopez.
106 - Stephen Young, St. Louis, Mo. vs. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo.
Sergio Ramirez, Omaha, Neb. vs. Fabian Cervantes, Ableto, Calif.
All 4 of these guys had impressive wins in the quarter-finals. Byrd defeated Cervantes last year. I think Byrd will defeat Young. I think Cervantes will win a close one against Ramirez. This will lead to a rematch with Byrd and Cervantes in the finals.
201 - Obviously Lewis didn't execute the game plan. He probably tried to slug with Graziano or didn't use good basic boxing skills. Baker and Graziano boxed at the PAL so we will see if Baker learned anything from that bout. Koon vs. Bissett. I was surprised by Koon's easy victory over Donnovan Dennis so Bissett could be in trouble. Most likely Graziano vs Koon in the final.
178 - DeRae Crane will be too tough for Faulk. Crane is very strong. I don't know much about Page and Anthony, but just seeing the results of how Anthony has done and against whom I would have to say Dorian Anthony will make it to the finals.
165 - I think we will see an Arias vs. Porter final.
152 - Spence will get by Carter. Starks vs. Campbell is tough to predict. I will go with Starks.
141 - Manny Taylor is the real deal. Watson could be in real trouble. I think O'Connor will defeat Robinson. Taylor vs. O'Connor in the final should be a great bout.
132 - Shemuel Pagan, Brooklyn, N.Y. vs. Fidel Maldonado, Albuquerque, N.M. Pagan has impressed me with his wins so I see him going to the finals.
Miguel Gonzales, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Jesse Carradine, Cincinnati, Ohio
The two Ohio guys will mix it up, but I think Gonzales is back to his 2004 form and will win.
125 - Guy Robb, Sacramento, Calif. vs. Robert Rodriquez, Evans, Colo. Tough one to predict, but Robb has defeated two tough opponents already.
Mercedes Manriquez, Houston, Texas vs. Lesley Walker, Las Vegas, Nev.
I have no idea on this one.
119 - Roman Morales, San Ardo, Calif. vs. Ronny Rios, Santa Ana, Calif. My guess is that these guys have boxed before as they are both from California. Not knowing the outcome of their previous bout(s), I would say Rios since he has impressed me a lot over the last year.
Antonio Nieves, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Paul Romero, Phoenix, Ariz. I think I give the edge to Romero over Nieves.
112 - Raul Lopez, Bronx, N.Y, vs. Bruno Escalante, Waimanalo, Hawaii This should be a good battle. Lopez defeated another tough Lopez from Texas in a repeat of his '07 JO win. Lopez is a young gun and faces a slightly older foe in Escalante. Escalante has been around for a little while now, but I think will lose a close bout.
Michael Ruiz, Fresno, Calif. vs. Randy Caballero, Coachella, Calif. Caballero is one of those young guns moving up to the open-class. He avenged his '07 Nat'l JO loss to Determan by clearly outpointing him in the quarter-finals. It is possible that Ruiz and Caballero boxed before, but Caballero showed against Determan that doesn't always matter. Caballero has international experience and I think that too will help him win. I see two former Nat'l JO Champs who are both probably 17 facing each other in the finals. Caballero v Lopez.
106 - Stephen Young, St. Louis, Mo. vs. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo.
Sergio Ramirez, Omaha, Neb. vs. Fabian Cervantes, Ableto, Calif.
All 4 of these guys had impressive wins in the quarter-finals. Byrd defeated Cervantes last year. I think Byrd will defeat Young. I think Cervantes will win a close one against Ramirez. This will lead to a rematch with Byrd and Cervantes in the finals.
Little seminar on California. There are 4 LBCs in California. Central and Northern are in one region and Southern, San Diego and Nevada in another. The only place that any California boxers from all 4 LBCs could have competed against each other was either in State Silver Gloves or State Golden Gloves. Of course, they can meet up against each other at the Championships if they both make their regional team.119 - Roman Morales, San Ardo, Calif. vs. Ronny Rios, Santa Ana, Calif. My guess is that these guys have boxed before as they are both from California. Not
Future champions
Last night the heavy weight fights were real slugfests. Bissett fought a great fight.He looked sharp and very strong.If he fights his fight he will give Graziano problems.The Graziano fight was the best fight of the night.Baker pressed Graziano and instead of staying away went to his power.Many felt the scoring in the 4th was unfair.Many solid shots by Baker weren't scored.The crowd was groaning.(remember many of these observers are knowledable coaches and fighters not just armchair second guessers)He lost a close fight. I am a Graziano fan.I like his pro style power. But, Baker is one tough dude.Very Close.
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It's a great atmophere out there, I think one of the best things a coach can do for a young serious upstart if it can be afforded is to take hime to watch this event. I know for a fact that it was a key in one of my boxers setting a higher goal and knowing what to shoot for. Maby someday when money grows on trees each LBCs or region would get stipen to take 1 or 2 Jrs that are showing real potential to travel with the team and witness what happens at this level. IMO it would be a key to turning out better boxers.
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Finally somebody comments on the bouts. Thank you for the insight. Who is this Bissett guy? I've never heard of him and now he is in the finals. Is he a young guy coming out of the junior ranks or is he an older guy who has finally made it to the elite status?actionfan wrote:Last night the heavy weight fights were real slugfests. Bissett fought a great fight.He looked sharp and very strong.If he fights his fight he will give Graziano problems.The Graziano fight was the best fight of the night.Baker pressed Graziano and instead of staying away went to his power.Many felt the scoring in the 4th was unfair.Many solid shots by Baker weren't scored.The crowd was groaning.(remember many of these observers are knowledable coaches and fighters not just armchair second guessers)He lost a close fight. I am a Graziano fan.I like his pro style power. But, Baker is one tough dude.Very Close.