Classic American West Coast Boxing
Classic.dagosd2000 wrote:Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
Pug
When did your friend train with guys from San Diego and what was his weight? I used to spar with a lot of service heavies. You mentioned he was a Marine. Late 60's is when I used to go down to the Coliseum to work some rounds with those guys. A very good Navy heavyweight by the name of Gary Young was the guy I sparred with the most. He fought a lot at the Coliseum as an amateur. Ask your friend about him.
You also mentioned Felton Marshall. We had a middleweight in San Diego who fought Marshall. He also beat Rudy Robles. That fighter's name: James "The Heat" Kinchen. Here's a funny story.
You know those signs up in the mountains that say"Deer Crossing"? Well they put 'em up for a purpose. Back when I was working for the County driving a spray rig is when I understood the logic for putting them signs where they're at. An old time mountain man character told me deer are very territorial. They eat in the same spot,drink in the same spot,get laid in the same spot,and so forth. They stick to a routine. Well they got these signs in various spots in the mountains because this is where the deer cross the road. Like I said ,those deer never waver from the conventional.
Jemes "The Heat" Kinchen was going strong .He made his home in San Diego and now they had him lined him up with a fight with James Shuler. The winner to fight Hagler. Sayonovich had him training up in the mountains out in East County. San Diego doesn't have real big mountains like the Himalayas,but they're high enough to get snowed on. People from places like Tibet call our mountains "Foothills".
Well Sayonovich has got a training camp in Campo California just on the U.S. side of the border located in these sissy mountains. I had a crew that would go out in the spray truck with me and we'd spray weed killer on the weeds along the sides of the County roads. Well we knew "The Heat" was up there training for his fight with Shuler in those faggot mountains we've got in San Diego and we wanted to see him train. We figured we'd given everybody cancer up there spraying "agent orange" all over the place so instead of spraying,we went playing. I signed the truck out saying we were going out to Jacumba which is in the middle of no where a hundred miles away. Ain't no one will be interested in finding us.
Now Kinchen would leave with his sparring partners from Campo and they'd start runnin' north along Skyline Highway towards the top of Mt. Laguna.(remember it ain't a real genuine mountain,more like a girly mountain). At the top is the fire station where the fighters would workout in this gym they set up inside . We'd usually wait for the fighters to arrive at the fire station after eating a Paul Bunyan breakfast at the Pine Valley Lodge consisting of two dozen eggs made every which way,buckwheat pancakes with quarts of maple syrup,sausages,bacon,homemade cinnamon buns,hash browns,toast,and mugs of hot coffee. After doing our best imitations of government employees we'd steer the rig to the fire station.
Well one morning we had to drop a spray gun off at the Campo Road Station so we had to proceed to the fire station up Skyline Highway. As we're going up the grade we see "The Heat" and his sparring partners runnin' hard and fast up the road. The steam was coming out of their mouths in rythmic puffs. Kinchen is wearing this all red sweat suit and leather gloves. The fighters looked tough. "The Heat"was tuned up like a Ferrarri. Shuler better watch his ass. We drive by the fighters shouting stuff like"Kick Shuler's ass Heat"(Real original stuff). He gives us the smile and a thumbs up. He's OK. Kinchen looks ready. Shuler better watch his ass.
The boys are really churning up the grade ,and I notice they're approaching one of them "Dear Crossing" signs. We're a little ahead of them so I slow the truck down to let them run ahead. Kinchen's out front of the pack. He runs past the sign,but just when the other guys get to the sign this flock of deer explode from the woods and run right through them. There must have been twenty of them Rudolphs. I couldn't see Kinchen's sparring partners. They were in the middle of that swarm. They must have killed them. Their paws were making this clopping sound and dirt was flying off their paws and and on top of all that those bastards stunk!
The animals go off on the other side of the road into the woods again. Standing there in the road are Kinchen's sparring partners like pine trees. They can't move. Their mouths are open and they ain't saying nothin'. Kinchen is up a ways and turns around.
"Why'd you guys stop?"
The sparring partners are still in shock. I stick my head out the cab.
"Ever hear about deers in the headlights? Well these guys just stepped in their shit"
The call of the freakin wild.
Dagos, Tony was probably workin out there in the early seventies.
He was fightin at about a buck eighty five.
Hes a hilarious charachter himself.
He fashions himself a ladies man or at least he did.
He looks a little like Tom Jones with a nose thats on sideways.
I asked him once if he liked brunettes or blonds better.
His answer was a good one.
He said "when Im with a brunette I like brunettes .When Im with a blond, I like blonds".
One time he disappeared for about six months on a little trip.
When he got back to Chicago he rang me up.
I said where the hell you been?
He said he had been traveling around Florida with some dame he met in a bar here.
They just picked up and went.
I thought about the absurdity of it and I asked him, "was she at least good lookin?"
He paused for a long while and said................nah.
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I told a story about James"the Heat" Kinchen. We really felt for this guy. He was a good fighter,but in the close fight it always went the other guy's way. He fought James Shuler in an elimination fight for Hagler's title,and loses a split decision. Shuler gets the title shot and he's out in a round. Right after that he dies in a motorcycle accident. Then it's ditto against Iran Barkley,another split loss. Against Hearns the jinx is still there.Three splits and you can't sew Kinchen back up. After Hearns,"The Heat"fades away to winter.
I personally think Kinchen was used to bring up the guy they wanted to showcase. I wonder if another San Diego fighter by the name of Norton ever talked to "The Heat" about some guy named Ali?
I personally think Kinchen was used to bring up the guy they wanted to showcase. I wonder if another San Diego fighter by the name of Norton ever talked to "The Heat" about some guy named Ali?
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Hey PugExpug wrote:Classic.dagosd2000 wrote:Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
Pug
When did your friend train with guys from San Diego and what was his weight? I used to spar with a lot of service heavies. You mentioned he was a Marine. Late 60's is when I used to go down to the Coliseum to work some rounds with those guys. A very good Navy heavyweight by the name of Gary Young was the guy I sparred with the most. He fought a lot at the Coliseum as an amateur. Ask your friend about him.
You also mentioned Felton Marshall. We had a middleweight in San Diego who fought Marshall. He also beat Rudy Robles. That fighter's name: James "The Heat" Kinchen. Here's a funny story.
You know those signs up in the mountains that say"Deer Crossing"? Well they put 'em up for a purpose. Back when I was working for the County driving a spray rig is when I understood the logic for putting them signs where they're at. An old time mountain man character told me deer are very territorial. They eat in the same spot,drink in the same spot,get laid in the same spot,and so forth. They stick to a routine. Well they got these signs in various spots in the mountains because this is where the deer cross the road. Like I said ,those deer never waver from the conventional.
Jemes "The Heat" Kinchen was going strong .He made his home in San Diego and now they had him lined him up with a fight with James Shuler. The winner to fight Hagler. Sayonovich had him training up in the mountains out in East County. San Diego doesn't have real big mountains like the Himalayas,but they're high enough to get snowed on. People from places like Tibet call our mountains "Foothills".
Well Sayonovich has got a training camp in Campo California just on the U.S. side of the border located in these sissy mountains. I had a crew that would go out in the spray truck with me and we'd spray weed killer on the weeds along the sides of the County roads. Well we knew "The Heat" was up there training for his fight with Shuler in those faggot mountains we've got in San Diego and we wanted to see him train. We figured we'd given everybody cancer up there spraying "agent orange" all over the place so instead of spraying,we went playing. I signed the truck out saying we were going out to Jacumba which is in the middle of no where a hundred miles away. Ain't no one will be interested in finding us.
Now Kinchen would leave with his sparring partners from Campo and they'd start runnin' north along Skyline Highway towards the top of Mt. Laguna.(remember it ain't a real genuine mountain,more like a girly mountain). At the top is the fire station where the fighters would workout in this gym they set up inside . We'd usually wait for the fighters to arrive at the fire station after eating a Paul Bunyan breakfast at the Pine Valley Lodge consisting of two dozen eggs made every which way,buckwheat pancakes with quarts of maple syrup,sausages,bacon,homemade cinnamon buns,hash browns,toast,and mugs of hot coffee. After doing our best imitations of government employees we'd steer the rig to the fire station.
Well one morning we had to drop a spray gun off at the Campo Road Station so we had to proceed to the fire station up Skyline Highway. As we're going up the grade we see "The Heat" and his sparring partners runnin' hard and fast up the road. The steam was coming out of their mouths in rythmic puffs. Kinchen is wearing this all red sweat suit and leather gloves. The fighters looked tough. "The Heat"was tuned up like a Ferrarri. Shuler better watch his ass. We drive by the fighters shouting stuff like"Kick Shuler's ass Heat"(Real original stuff). He gives us the smile and a thumbs up. He's OK. Kinchen looks ready. Shuler better watch his ass.
The boys are really churning up the grade ,and I notice they're approaching one of them "Dear Crossing" signs. We're a little ahead of them so I slow the truck down to let them run ahead. Kinchen's out front of the pack. He runs past the sign,but just when the other guys get to the sign this flock of deer explode from the woods and run right through them. There must have been twenty of them Rudolphs. I couldn't see Kinchen's sparring partners. They were in the middle of that swarm. They must have killed them. Their paws were making this clopping sound and dirt was flying off their paws and and on top of all that those bastards stunk!
The animals go off on the other side of the road into the woods again. Standing there in the road are Kinchen's sparring partners like pine trees. They can't move. Their mouths are open and they ain't saying nothin'. Kinchen is up a ways and turns around.
"Why'd you guys stop?"
The sparring partners are still in shock. I stick my head out the cab.
"Ever hear about deers in the headlights? Well these guys just stepped in their shit"
The call of the freakin wild.
Dagos, Tony was probably workin out there in the early seventies.
He was fightin at about a buck eighty five.
Hes a hilarious charachter himself.
He fashions himself a ladies man or at least he did.
He looks a little like Tom Jones with a nose thats on sideways.
I asked him once if he liked brunettes or blonds better.
His answer was a good one.
He said "when Im with a brunette I like brunettes .When Im with a blond, I like blonds".
One time he disappeared for about six months on a little trip.
When he got back to Chicago he rang me up.
I said where the hell you been?
He said he had been traveling around Florida with some dame he met in a bar here.
They just picked up and went.
I thought about the absurdity of it and I asked him, "was she at least good lookin?"
He paused for a long while and said................nah.
Nice description of your pal. I'll run it by Gary when I see him at the beach.
Hammond Indiana,just across the line from Chi Town. My father used to collect from the slot machines in Calumet City for Frank LaPorte(another sweetheart of a guy). My father would make sure the machines wouldn't pay off . Maybe a few times. Then he'd take a spin to the Southside to collect from the bars. There's a picture of my father in one of those juke joints with his 45 on the counter writing a "violation". My father pretended he worked for the Illinois Liquor Commission. Well, he did work for the Commission which was controlled from the top by Tony Accardo.(a real nice man----when it came to ordering a hit)
Pug,Expug wrote:Classic.dagosd2000 wrote:Expug wrote:The reason I know about James , Felton and a few others from the West Coast is because a friend of mine who was in the Marine corps.stationed in San Diego named Tony Fritz had some am. fights and trained with alot of guys from there.
He talked about guys such asDon Chargin, Jackie McCoy etc.
Tony was from Hammond Indiana originally and when he got bak here he had some pro fights.
He didnt do so well, but I think he was fighting in a weight class not suited for him.
Pug
When did your friend train with guys from San Diego and what was his weight? I used to spar with a lot of service heavies. You mentioned he was a Marine. Late 60's is when I used to go down to the Coliseum to work some rounds with those guys. A very good Navy heavyweight by the name of Gary Young was the guy I sparred with the most. He fought a lot at the Coliseum as an amateur. Ask your friend about him.
You also mentioned Felton Marshall. We had a middleweight in San Diego who fought Marshall. He also beat Rudy Robles. That fighter's name: James "The Heat" Kinchen. Here's a funny story.
You know those signs up in the mountains that say"Deer Crossing"? Well they put 'em up for a purpose. Back when I was working for the County driving a spray rig is when I understood the logic for putting them signs where they're at. An old time mountain man character told me deer are very territorial. They eat in the same spot,drink in the same spot,get laid in the same spot,and so forth. They stick to a routine. Well they got these signs in various spots in the mountains because this is where the deer cross the road. Like I said ,those deer never waver from the conventional.
Jemes "The Heat" Kinchen was going strong .He made his home in San Diego and now they had him lined him up with a fight with James Shuler. The winner to fight Hagler. Sayonovich had him training up in the mountains out in East County. San Diego doesn't have real big mountains like the Himalayas,but they're high enough to get snowed on. People from places like Tibet call our mountains "Foothills".
Well Sayonovich has got a training camp in Campo California just on the U.S. side of the border located in these sissy mountains. I had a crew that would go out in the spray truck with me and we'd spray weed killer on the weeds along the sides of the County roads. Well we knew "The Heat" was up there training for his fight with Shuler in those faggot mountains we've got in San Diego and we wanted to see him train. We figured we'd given everybody cancer up there spraying "agent orange" all over the place so instead of spraying,we went playing. I signed the truck out saying we were going out to Jacumba which is in the middle of no where a hundred miles away. Ain't no one will be interested in finding us.
Now Kinchen would leave with his sparring partners from Campo and they'd start runnin' north along Skyline Highway towards the top of Mt. Laguna.(remember it ain't a real genuine mountain,more like a girly mountain). At the top is the fire station where the fighters would workout in this gym they set up inside . We'd usually wait for the fighters to arrive at the fire station after eating a Paul Bunyan breakfast at the Pine Valley Lodge consisting of two dozen eggs made every which way,buckwheat pancakes with quarts of maple syrup,sausages,bacon,homemade cinnamon buns,hash browns,toast,and mugs of hot coffee. After doing our best imitations of government employees we'd steer the rig to the fire station.
Well one morning we had to drop a spray gun off at the Campo Road Station so we had to proceed to the fire station up Skyline Highway. As we're going up the grade we see "The Heat" and his sparring partners runnin' hard and fast up the road. The steam was coming out of their mouths in rythmic puffs. Kinchen is wearing this all red sweat suit and leather gloves. The fighters looked tough. "The Heat"was tuned up like a Ferrarri. Shuler better watch his ass. We drive by the fighters shouting stuff like"Kick Shuler's ass Heat"(Real original stuff). He gives us the smile and a thumbs up. He's OK. Kinchen looks ready. Shuler better watch his ass.
The boys are really churning up the grade ,and I notice they're approaching one of them "Dear Crossing" signs. We're a little ahead of them so I slow the truck down to let them run ahead. Kinchen's out front of the pack. He runs past the sign,but just when the other guys get to the sign this flock of deer explode from the woods and run right through them. There must have been twenty of them Rudolphs. I couldn't see Kinchen's sparring partners. They were in the middle of that swarm. They must have killed them. Their paws were making this clopping sound and dirt was flying off their paws and and on top of all that those bastards stunk!
The animals go off on the other side of the road into the woods again. Standing there in the road are Kinchen's sparring partners like pine trees. They can't move. Their mouths are open and they ain't saying nothin'. Kinchen is up a ways and turns around.
"Why'd you guys stop?"
The sparring partners are still in shock. I stick my head out the cab.
"Ever hear about deers in the headlights? Well these guys just stepped in their shit"
The call of the freakin wild.
Dagos, Tony was probably workin out there in the early seventies.
He was fightin at about a buck eighty five.
Hes a hilarious charachter himself.
He fashions himself a ladies man or at least he did.
He looks a little like Tom Jones with a nose thats on sideways.
I asked him once if he liked brunettes or blonds better.
His answer was a good one.
He said "when Im with a brunette I like brunettes .When Im with a blond, I like blonds".
One time he disappeared for about six months on a little trip.
When he got back to Chicago he rang me up.
I said where the hell you been?
He said he had been traveling around Florida with some dame he met in a bar here.
They just picked up and went.
I thought about the absurdity of it and I asked him, "was she at least good lookin?"
He paused for a long while and said................nah.
You are starting to write as well as Dagos.
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Kinchen looked desperately unlucky against Hearns. The Hitman was 'out' and should really have been rescued.dagosd2000 wrote:I told a story about James"the Heat" Kinchen. We really felt for this guy. He was a good fighter,but in the close fight it always went the other guy's way. He fought James Shuler in an elimination fight for Hagler's title,and loses a split decision. Shuler gets the title shot and he's out in a round. Right after that he dies in a motorcycle accident. Then it's ditto against Iran Barkley,another split loss. Against Hearns the jinx is still there.Three splits and you can't sew Kinchen back up. After Hearns,"The Heat"fades away to winter.
I personally think Kinchen was used to bring up the guy they wanted to showcase. I wonder if another San Diego fighter by the name of Norton ever talked to "The Heat" about some guy named Ali?
Instead, Thomas was allowed to hang on for much of the round (I think it was the second).
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Frankkikibalt wrote:
Front row, Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli
Looks like something out one of those movies with the"Dead End" kids.
Pat O'Brian and Jimmy Cagney would have liked this picture. "What do ya' hear? What do ya' say?"
Now I know where they came up with that title:Angels With Dirty Faces
Bogey would also have smile a for this shot.
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