Nelson coming out of retirement for Haye

pm · Post by pm » 11 Mar 2008, 07:17

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 83,00.html

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 11 Mar 2008, 07:19

Coming out of retirement my arse, certainly Haye has nothing to gain from the fight.

Maccarinelli meanwhile.....

I dont believe for one second Macca v Cunningham is next up.

Macca versus Calloway perhaps.

Eraserhead · Post by **Eraserhead** » 11 Mar 2008, 07:49

DavidPayne wrote:Coming out of retirement my arse, certainly Haye has nothing to gain from the fight.

Maccarinelli meanwhile.....

I dont believe for one second Macca v Cunningham is next up.

Macca versus Calloway perhaps.

I'd LOVE to see Maccarinelli vs. Hide by the end of the year. WBO cruiserweight title.

Hide will probably get a WBC title shot at some stage, providing nobody touches his chin in the meantime.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 11 Mar 2008, 08:04

has johnny gone insane?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 11 Mar 2008, 08:06

He just likes putting himself in the hotel window, sorry shop window.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Mar 2008, 08:07

That sounds a bit worrying.... I don't think Haye vs Nelson will happen, but I think Nelson vs Maccarinelli will.

Sounds like Johnny has the itch again.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 11 Mar 2008, 08:09

...serves him right for wiping on the curtains at the Travel Lodge.

Oh come on, I've had too much Ki-Ora.

I dont want Nelson to comeback. He retired injured and stopped training. How can he comeback, go through the camp and his back or knee not restrict him, I'd imagine 200lbs wouldn't be easy to get to either.

Low reward for Macca to against an old, cute warhorse who could make him look bad even in victory.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Mar 2008, 08:57

Unfortunately Nelson's big domestic fight was going to be Maccarinelli. Nelson picked up bad injuries training - unsurprising given he was pushing 40 when Warren got Enzo his shot at Nelson.

I always got the feeling that Nelson wasn't so keen on a fight with the younger man in any case. He wanted to fight a comebacking Michalczewski in a German cash in fight.

Good fighter though, was Nelson. We've had a lot of world class cruiserweights. He is a slim, fit looking person though. In the Sky studio Glen and Nicky look way heavier than him.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:01

I have always rated Johnny Nelson - but lets face it he has no chance against Haye at Heavyweight - I say that because there is no way on this earth the fight would get made at Cruiserweight.

Johnny has got to have slowed due to the inactivity - in addition he had the chance to beat Maccarinelli and did not take that chance.

Has he come out with these statements about Haye due to his pride being a tadge damaged as there is a new kid on the block who has proved beyond question he is the best cruiserweight in the world - something that I always wanted Johnny to do but he never seemed to have got around to it.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:10

In his prime I'd have given Nelson an excellent chance against Haye. The fact he's been in with huge punching heavyweights and never been stopped shows how elusive he was.

Sadly, Jonny for one reason or another never had any big meaningful fights at cruiser beyond domestic and contender level, which is a real shame, as he was class.

I think for once Spud I agree, I think Nelson is feeling irked that everyones talking about Haye now, and feels he missed the boat.

I think Nelson should stay retired, inactivity and age wither us all.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:13

Whatever happened to Nelson's show jumping career?

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:15

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In his prime I'd have given Nelson an excellent chance against Haye. The fact he's been in with huge punching heavyweights and never been stopped shows how elusive he was.

Sadly, Jonny for one reason or another never had any big meaningful fights at cruiser beyond domestic and contender level, which is a real shame, as he was class.

I think for once Spud I agree, I think Nelson is feeling irked that everyones talking about Haye now, and feels he missed the boat.

I think Nelson should stay retired, inactivity and age wither us all.

James for me - where I go wrong is that I use the black is black, white is white arguement.

What I mean by that is David Haye holds 3 recognised World Championship belts in his division all at the sametime - for me using a very simplistic argument that proves he is the man in the divsion.

I have always backed Johnny Nelson - one of the very few - but in this case - when did Johnny ever prove beyond doubt he was the main man in the division - if was all down to boxing fans opinions who they thought was the best - David Haye has taken the option of opinion right away by proving he is the main man.

Boxingmad · Post by **Boxingmad** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:16

It's madness - there's no way David would even entertain the thought of defending against Nelson, even if he could get back in six months. It's a step down for Haye, and with such big lucrative fights on the horizon at heavyweight, why struggle at the weight again for a man who would just make him look bad and stink the joint out - Nelson would run all night pipping in and out to avoid the big bombs.
Johnny Nelson is good on Sky Sports doing well as a pundit no doubt making some half decent cash out of it, so why risk his health against a deadly foe such as the Hayemaker? Macca meanwhile wouldn't be a bad idea, and might motivate both guys, as the fight was mooted some time ago, before Nelson retired.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:18

Boxingmad wrote:It's madness - there's no way David would even entertain the thought of defending against Nelson, even if he could get back in six months. It's a step down for Haye, and with such big lucrative fights on the horizon at heavyweight, why struggle at the weight again for a man who would just make him look bad and stink the joint out - Nelson would run all night pipping in and out to avoid the big bombs.
Johnny Nelson is good on Sky Sports doing well as a pundit no doubt making some half decent cash out of it, so why risk his health against a deadly foe such as the Hayemaker? Macca meanwhile wouldn't be a bad idea, and might motivate both guys, as the fight was mooted some time ago, before Nelson retired.

You say why risk it? .... Boxing pride.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:20

Spud wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:In his prime I'd have given Nelson an excellent chance against Haye. The fact he's been in with huge punching heavyweights and never been stopped shows how elusive he was.

Sadly, Jonny for one reason or another never had any big meaningful fights at cruiser beyond domestic and contender level, which is a real shame, as he was class.

I think for once Spud I agree, I think Nelson is feeling irked that everyones talking about Haye now, and feels he missed the boat.

I think Nelson should stay retired, inactivity and age wither us all.
James for me - where I go wrong is that I use the black is black, white is white arguement.

What I mean by that is David Haye holds 3 recognised World Championship belts in his division all at the sametime - for me using a very simplistic argument that proves he is the man in the divsion.

I have always backed Johnny Nelson - one of the very few - but in this case - when did Johnny ever prove beyond doubt he was the main man in the division - if was all down to boxing fans opinions who they thought was the best - David Haye has taken the option of opinion right away by proving he is the main man.

good point. Johnny wouldn't even give Carl Thompson a rematch & he never tried to unify.

That said, I rate him for beating Thompson (who beat Haye), Dominguez (in more impressive fashion than Macca did) and for knocking out Ezra Sellers (who beat Thompson).

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:38

I fail to see how this could be considered anything more than a joke. Haye is going up to heavy, the future looks bright for him- Nelson offers little or nothing, be honest.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:52

Although Jirov v Toney happened at cruiserweight in that era, it's a shame that more big fights weren't made between those two Gomez and Nelson.

The future is looking bright at cruiserweight at the moment, we can only hope that the belts aren't all picked up by fighters who will be happy to defend what they have. Luckily I think Cunningham certainly and hopefully Maccarinelli, to go with the up and coming fighters (Flores, Hernandez etc), have the ambition to prove themselves the best.

Nelson made a great job of his career but does anyone think we would have beaten Gomez, Toney or Jirov when they were belt holders?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Mar 2008, 09:54

Lenny wrote:Although Jirov v Toney happened at cruiserweight in that era, it's a shame that more big fights weren't made between those two Gomez and Nelson.

The future is looking bright at cruiserweight at the moment, we can only hope that the belts aren't all picked up by fighters who will be happy to defend what they have. Luckily I think Cunningham certainly and hopefully Maccarinelli, to go with the up and coming fighters (Flores, Hernandez etc), have the ambition to prove themselves the best.

Nelson made a great job of his career but does anyone think we would have beaten Gomez, Toney or Jirov when they were belt holders?

Gomez - never. Jirov - possibly. Toney - yes (Nelson's reach far too big in a battle of counter punchers).

punchers chance · Post by **punchers chance** » 11 Mar 2008, 10:47

What would Haye possibly gain from beating Nelson?
Absolutely nothing. A total non-starter.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 11 Mar 2008, 10:55

Spud wrote:
Boxingmad wrote:It's madness - there's no way David would even entertain the thought of defending against Nelson, even if he could get back in six months. It's a step down for Haye, and with such big lucrative fights on the horizon at heavyweight, why struggle at the weight again for a man who would just make him look bad and stink the joint out - Nelson would run all night pipping in and out to avoid the big bombs.
Johnny Nelson is good on Sky Sports doing well as a pundit no doubt making some half decent cash out of it, so why risk his health against a deadly foe such as the Hayemaker? Macca meanwhile wouldn't be a bad idea, and might motivate both guys, as the fight was mooted some time ago, before Nelson retired.
You say why risk it? .... Boxing pride.

Boxing Pride?

Nelson could not give 2 fcuks what people thought of him as a fighter.

Pride? - why didn't he come back and beat Enzo?

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 11 Mar 2008, 11:33

Autobarn wrote: Gomez - never. Jirov - possibly. Toney - yes (Nelson's reach far too big in a battle of counter punchers).

Are you avin a larf?

Is he havin a larf?

Nelson couldn't even beat Guillermo Jones but hes gonna beat James Toney? This is without even alluding to the DeLeon and Warring losses, or the mythical new fighter who got built up on WBO non-fights and non-unifications (how many FW fighters does that remind you of)

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Mar 2008, 11:40

Tell me then, how's a 5'10 former middleweight going to get close when Nelson feinting, moving back, flicking out a jab and not letting him anywhere near him?

Nelson was a very good defensive fighter, and could be a nightmare to fight.

Toney's a great fighter but what would a 6' 3 cruiser who fights tall do to him? Toney's legs looked bad in that Jirov fight and despite masterful counter punching he was relying on laying on the ropes and Jirov moivng right into him.

Toney's cruiserweight comeback got me interested in boxing after abandoning the sport for a couple of years. I was big on Toney but at the time I thought I'd hate to see him take on Nelson.

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 11 Mar 2008, 21:31

Spud wrote:
Boxingmad wrote:It's madness - there's no way David would even entertain the thought of defending against Nelson, even if he could get back in six months. It's a step down for Haye, and with such big lucrative fights on the horizon at heavyweight, why struggle at the weight again for a man who would just make him look bad and stink the joint out - Nelson would run all night pipping in and out to avoid the big bombs.
Johnny Nelson is good on Sky Sports doing well as a pundit no doubt making some half decent cash out of it, so why risk his health against a deadly foe such as the Hayemaker? Macca meanwhile wouldn't be a bad idea, and might motivate both guys, as the fight was mooted some time ago, before Nelson retired.
You say why risk it? .... Boxing pride.

And how often does pride force a fighter into the ring? Take Hatton for an example.

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 11 Mar 2008, 21:33

By the way... Nelson dominates Enzo Mac, points. The Welshman doesnt get near the second best fighter he has fought.

However, Haye smashes Nelson. Haye has already achieved more than Nelson...