PPV?Max Molyneux wrote:Heard according to Sky Sports news It will be a PPV fight but I don't have Sky Sports In my house so Is this true?
Excellent idea re: ITV - but HATTON IS GREEDY AND ITV WON'T BE DOING PPV.tony3 wrote:PPV seems a bit at odds with his assertions that this fight would be a gift to the fans.
I don't know very much about Lazcano but I gather from what you lot are saying that he's someone who is just there to collect a paypacket and give Hatton a few rounds.
In my opinion, it would have been a far shewder move to try and broker a one-off deal with ITV (I understand that FW no longer has an exclusive contract) because the exposure would have been a great way of drumming up interest for his next competetive clash.
chris s wrote:Sky got around 1 million buys for Mayweather even if they lose 60% of those who paid for that fight it adds up to a colossal amount of money
Apart from Junior Witter"But I'm back down to my normal weight and it's my aim to come back and slam the door on everyone who thinks I'm finished.
Unless the obstacle is Junior Witter"You prove yourself to be great by coming back from obstacles which are put in front of you."
Cheers for fighting a subpar opponent and putting it on PPV"Not everyone can afford to go to Vegas for every single fight. This is my way of saying 'thank you' and having a homecoming."
"It's not about the pounds, shillings and pence - it's about the fans,"
....... Yes but the same pub fans thought Hatton was invisable before he got ko'd now a few of them may turn on himMax Molyneux wrote:The kind you see In a local pub saying Ricky Hatton lad, he's up against Mexican laaad and think Mexicans are the ultimate warriors kind of fans.BUT if hardcore types look us dont buy it how many will?
But they are mugs though. Yes, as a business I'd rather produce a low cost product at a high price to mugs than supply the high cost product to a knowledgable customer. It doesn't change the fact the low cost product is low quality. Ricky Hatton sells on the Ricky Hatton brand to unknowledgable customers so he can overcharge for a low quality product (ie poor matchups). But after a while his repeat purchasers will start to go down.Terry D wrote: Call those types of fans mugs if you will ?
I got Into boxing watching Khan In Athens when I was 18 to be honest. It was when I got access to more Tv channels I got Into watching my favourites like Joe and Witter.s a pub fan lower down than the likes of you Max who got into boxing off the back of Joe C and freely admits to not watching fights from the dark days of Before Calzaghe?
Call those types of fans mugs if you will but they put more into the coffers than us.
Most hardcore fans thought Ricky was Invincible too and even after the Callazo bout still thought It until Floyd battered him.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Yes but the same pub fans thought Hatton was invisable before he got ko'd now a few of them may turn on himMax Molyneux wrote:The kind you see In a local pub saying Ricky Hatton lad, he's up against Mexican laaad and think Mexicans are the ultimate warriors kind of fans.BUT if hardcore types look us dont buy it how many will?
TBH I doubt most people involved in boxing would bother watching Hatton-Lazcanno. Anyone that follows the sport (not boxrec or google)and doesnt like burning there money would not buy this fight.Terry D wrote:I know guys who will buy the fight and fair enough if you call them mugs but does that mean they know little about the sport? They know more about the mechanics of boxing than most on here, only their 'Boxrec/Google' knowledge is lacking in my opinion.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:But they are mugs though. Yes, as a business I'd rather produce a low cost product at a high price to mugs than supply the high cost product to a knowledgable customer. It doesn't change the fact the low cost product is low quality. Ricky Hatton sells on the Ricky Hatton brand to unknowledgable customers so he can overcharge for a low quality product (ie poor matchups). But after a while his repeat purchasers will start to go down.Terry D wrote: Call those types of fans mugs if you will ?
We all talk about supporting boxing but come on, most of us on here are leeches who put little back in.
I'm sure a few fighters will buy it also, 100% sure in fact, are they mugs who know nothing about boxing? Are you one of those guys who is happy to say boxers know fook all about the sport compared to the Internet fan?
I have to admit I gave Ricky a shot against Mayweather as I thought Floyd may sleep on HattonMax Molyneux wrote:Most hardcore fans thought Ricky was Invincible too and even after the Callazo bout still thought It until Floyd battered him.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Yes but the same pub fans thought Hatton was invisable before he got ko'd now a few of them may turn on himMax Molyneux wrote: The kind you see In a local pub saying Ricky Hatton lad, he's up against Mexican laaad and think Mexicans are the ultimate warriors kind of fans.
BULLSHIT! How do you figure that Terrence?Terry D wrote:I know guys who will buy the fight and fair enough if you call them mugs but does that mean they know little about the sport? They know more about the mechanics of boxing than most on here, only their 'Boxrec/Google' knowledge is lacking in my opinion.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:But they are mugs though. Yes, as a business I'd rather produce a low cost product at a high price to mugs than supply the high cost product to a knowledgable customer. It doesn't change the fact the low cost product is low quality. Ricky Hatton sells on the Ricky Hatton brand to unknowledgable customers so he can overcharge for a low quality product (ie poor matchups). But after a while his repeat purchasers will start to go down.Terry D wrote: Call those types of fans mugs if you will ?
We all talk about supporting boxing but come on, most of us on here are leeches who put little back in.
I'm sure a few fighters will buy it also, 100% sure in fact, are they mugs who know nothing about boxing? Are you one of those guys who is happy to say boxers know fook all about the sport compared to the Internet fan?
Terry D wrote:Aside from the pros and cons of the price, which is steep, of the PPV there is no reason to say people who buy it shouldn't be classed as real boxing fans. They are probably the same people who, shocker, drink in pubs, with local boxers, and pay ticket prices for the little local shows so they probably do more for the sport than us guys who leech fights off the Internet.Max Molyneux wrote:The kind you see In a local pub saying Ricky Hatton lad, he's up against Mexican laaad and think Mexicans are the ultimate warriors kind of fans.BUT if hardcore types look us dont buy it how many will?
Is a pub fan lower down than the likes of you Max who got into boxing off the back of Joe C and freely admits to not watching fights from the dark days of Before Calzaghe?
Call those types of fans mugs if you will but they put more into the coffers than us.
This is not a position on the merits of the fight/Witter/Hatton, I just find that the perception of paying fans is a bit skewed on this forum.
I know 2 lads who support British fighters in general and shelled out for Haye-Macca, Bami-Barnes and will buy the Hatton PPV and tickets. Are they bad for the sport?
You are saying if Maloney promotes the undercard - its my understanding the undercard will be sorted in the next 7 days - there will be some very good additions to the show.Terry D wrote:Well I must meet a higher class of causal fan Spud, I also meant in terms of the fighting itself. Some guys in pubs know the broad strokes, as ex-boxers, and have insights into the sport so who are we to judge them because they like to attend/watch fights? most won't be arsed about the money. Some will pay for an event, is it a mugs game? If the Hatton's put the bill together yes, only two fighters in their stable, or stall in all honesty, if Maloney does then no it will not. It will be a step-up, if Maloney does it, from his last UK undercard.Spud wrote:Terry D,
You mention that these fans know the mechanics of boxing - do they b*llocks!!! what a load of horse shit!!! - very few do - there are some of us who like to think we know what goes on behind the scenes and I suppose in comparison to the majority I will go out on a limb and I STRESS in comparison to the ordinary fan I know quite a bit - but in comparison to those that work within the sport - I know very little.
I hope the above makes sense!!!
With regards to the Hatton Bill - I will pay for it - of course I will - I love boxing simple as - I might grumble about the quality of the show - but I will still pay for it.
I want Ricky Hatton to win and to win well - mainly because its fantastic for British Boxing if he does.
I'd say you guys look the more ignorant today to be honest
Terry D wrote:DG. wrote:Terry D wrote: Aside from the pros and cons of the price, which is steep, of the PPV there is no reason to say people who buy it shouldn't be classed as real boxing fans. They are probably the same people who, shocker, drink in pubs, with local boxers, and pay ticket prices for the little local shows so they probably do more for the sport than us guys who leech fights off the Internet.
Is a pub fan lower down than the likes of you Max who got into boxing off the back of Joe C and freely admits to not watching fights from the dark days of Before Calzaghe?
Call those types of fans mugs if you will but they put more into the coffers than us.
This is not a position on the merits of the fight/Witter/Hatton, I just find that the perception of paying fans is a bit skewed on this forum.
I know 2 lads who support British fighters in general and shelled out for Haye-Macca, Bami-Barnes and will buy the Hatton PPV and tickets. Are they bad for the sport?
If the only Boxers you know are Hatton - Calkzaghe - Khan thenn you are
not a boxing fan.
Personally - I have SKY and Setanta ONLY for the Boxing and I subscribe to £12.00 - £15.00 of Boxing Mags a month for the last 20 years or so - so I put enough in ( might even go to the odd show!) cash wise.
THE MAIN GRIPE IS MOST OF HATTONS FAN DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING APART FROM HATTON.,
They are good for Hatton and thats about it.
Once Hatton retires - they are also gone from the sport.
Are they Boxing fans?
According to some Hatton fans are only Farnell and Gomez fans in disguise. Evidently they are going to follow someone else after Hatton, Murray perhaps. They may be actually be more objective/knowledgable than the rest of us as they've figured out that nothing lasts forever and jump ship from Manc to Manc, we must attract a better class of fan
Ps Tongue in cheek there. I still think it is wrong to somehow equate casual fans as sub-human when they actually dip into their own pocket and are not here for the freebies!
Well yes they cost you subscribtions, but they are relatively free, ie Setanta is free on Virgin. I pay subscriptions and shell out for the PPVs I want and dont. You make it sound like 'unless you goto the fights your not a paying customer'. But as has been pointed out shelling out for PPVs and Subsciptions does support fightsTerry D wrote:
The above two both cost me money, in ticket money and Internet/Sky, so how do you figure that out? How did you get to the thinking that I watched neither fight?
I also know of a few fighters who pay to watch PPV fights and will likely get people round to watch the fight.
Personally I have a disposable income and like watching live boxing. If Witter's next fight was PPV at £15 I'd watch it rather than wait for the download or repeat.
Why don't you just leave?Spud wrote:Actually I would love to see Ricky succeed - he is a top man and a bloody good boxer. I will leave it there.nickd wrote:Looks like you've fallen off the Hatton bandwagon now he's left Hobson, coincidence? As fickle as ever. ;)
As for the subject at hand, Lazcano is an ok opponent nothing to write home about but could have been a lot worse.
Not at all. My argument was the contention that we are leeches. I spent 600 quid a year just so as I can watch boxing.Terry D wrote:What is bullshit James? That I know people wh do not know the top 15 at LWW but who, in my opinion, know a lot aobut the sprt despite not having the semeingly endless knowledge people who are online at the time have?jamesmcdonnell wrote:BULLSHIT! How do you figure that Terrence?Terry D wrote: I know guys who will buy the fight and fair enough if you call them mugs but does that mean they know little about the sport? They know more about the mechanics of boxing than most on here, only their 'Boxrec/Google' knowledge is lacking in my opinion.
We all talk about supporting boxing but come on, most of us on here are leeches who put little back in.
I'm sure a few fighters will buy it also, 100% sure in fact, are they mugs who know nothing about boxing? Are you one of those guys who is happy to say boxers know fook all about the sport compared to the Internet fan?
I pay 35 quid a month to sky, and 15 quid a month to Setanta, just so I can watch boxing. If it wasn't for boxing, I would be quite happy with freeview for a one-off payment of 15 quid for a box.
Sure, I may not go to many live shows, unless I'm covering one, but then I never did. Live boxing wasn't something I grew up watching, probably partly because nobody ever took me as a kid, which is how most people get into it.
I also cannot afford the huge ticket prices for some of the major events unless it's a case of few and far betweem.
Don't be fooled Terrence, all of us who pay our subs and buy PPV's have lined the pockets of fighter and promoter alike.
Fair enough if people want to pay to watch Hatton batter Lazcano, but for me PPV should be for 'events' and this is strictly a non-event.
I also know boxers who have paid for PPV fights and will pay for this one. Is that bullshit?
I pay my money to Sky/Setanta/Internet fees and as said above would pay for a Witter fight on PPV simply because I like live boxing.
Again, as opposed to what Spud and the guys think, I do not suppose to say that a guy in a pub who does not know the exact date Charles frst defeated Moore knows fook all. I've met boxers, who forget the names of their earlier opponents. Are they ignorant pub fans also?
It is easy to play Mr Know it all online, we all do to an extent but to class people who will pay for a live fight as ignorant mugs is wrong as like it or not they keep the sport going for us rarified fans who pay lip service to the sport.
I'll pay for pretty much any PPV going because I like live fights and can afford it, I am also aware that boxing, despite a recent upsurge, is a niche sport so it is going to cost.
A group of guys in a pub saying "lets get tickets/PPV and head off to watch the fight" is not a crime in my mind, nor a reflection that they know less than me about boxing.
I think either hardcore fans who buy everything boxing will buy it or fans who think world boxing = Hatton, Khan & Calazage.Terry D wrote:Fair enough, I applaued your right to snub the PPV. I just find it a little snobbish to say only pissed-up beer drinking mugs will buy it. A group of 5-10 guys talking boxing in a pub may not know the names and ins and outs of every fighter but that does not mean I look down on those 10 guys going to or buying a live bout.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Well yes they cost you subscribtions, but they are relatively free, ie Setanta is free on Virgin. I pay subscriptions and shell out for the PPVs I want and dont. You make it sound like 'unless you goto the fights your not a paying customer'. But as has been pointed out shelling out for PPVs and Subsciptions does support fightsTerry D wrote:
The above two both cost me money, in ticket money and Internet/Sky, so how do you figure that out? How did you get to the thinking that I watched neither fight?
I also know of a few fighters who pay to watch PPV fights and will likely get people round to watch the fight.
Personally I have a disposable income and like watching live boxing. If Witter's next fight was PPV at £15 I'd watch it rather than wait for the download or repeat.
Shelling out for Hatton-Lazcanno as a PPV wouldn't make sense to me. I have a very nice disposable income but Im tight Yorkshireman and wont shell out for something I see as a waste. I'm not sure if I'd pay £15 for Witter-Bradley despite been a Witter fan because its not a real challenge (unless I'm underestimating Bradley)
I honestly hope Hatton-Lazcanno flops so he takes the big fight we all want. Surely Big Fights make Big Money and Mayweather who was a small draw is surely proving that? I doubt 1 person on this forum wouldnt shell out for Witter-Hatton and the fight hype would sell.
I actually said paying for the fights on TV is the same as going to them. You are putting money into it and fair enough for that person. If it was left to us lot, who get a lot of fights for free off the 'net, a lot of money would leave the sport and you might get more rarified fans but some of the atmosphere we crave, caused by drunken shouting and singing, would go and we'd be bemoaning the loss of 'character' at the shows.
Mayweather is in many ways allowing his career to slide a little so he can get guys who will get him big PPV fights. Oscar is not a career challenge but he is likely to fight him rather than Cotto. Again for the PPV money Oscar brings.
We know the best fighters are not always PPV but that does not mean we have to sneer at the PPV buyer for blindly buying this fight.
