pernell whitaker vs floyd mayweather

[boxerbob]

who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

[IKSRTFO]

1988 - 1994 Whitaker would when. The Whitaker after that woudn't

[HomicideHenry]

I dont even need to think about this...Whitaker would have won over Mayweather unaminous decision.

[boxerbob]

a prime whitaker vs a prime mayweather

would whitaker get hit????

[Robinson]

I think Sweat Pea takes this one.

But it'd be an interesting, tactical match of a lot of posing and
defensive prowse.

I love to watch a tip top Whitacker.

Kym

[Goodnight, Irene]

Whitaker is the best fighter of my lifetime (84-present), but there are three honourable mentions, & Mayweather is among them (the other two being Lopez & Jones).

Not an easy fight for anybody, I just think that Whitaker is the slightly more varied, tricky fighter. Ultimately, I think Sweet Pea would figure out Pretty Boy Floyd better than Pretty Boy Floyd would figure out Sweet Pea. Mayweather'd give him a run for his money, though, I've no doubt of that.

7-5, 115-113 Whitaker.

[Diamond WEAPON]

who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Actually, compubox disproves that... Mayweather has the highest ratio of his own connects vs. opponent connects in the history of the Compubox system...

As per this article: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=11566

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

But anyway, despite the fact that Mayweather's got a statistically proven better ratio of defense vs. offense I have noticed that Mayweather has a little trouble versus southpaws because of the opposite angles. Zab Judah showed us that to a certain extent. Thus, I think Sweet Pea's inherent trickiness combined with his being a southpaw would allow him to score a pretty close decision over Floyd.

[Marlin]

DRAW

[Goodnight, Irene]

who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Actually, compubox disproves that... Mayweather has the highest ratio of his own connects vs. opponent connects in the history of the Compubox system...

As per this article: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=11566

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

But anyway, despite the fact that Mayweather's got a statistically proven better ratio of defense vs. offense I have noticed that Mayweather has a little trouble versus southpaws because of the opposite angles. Zab Judah showed us that to a certain extent. Thus, I think Sweet Pea's inherent trickiness combined with his being a southpaw would allow him to score a pretty close decision over Floyd.

Compubox does not --- & cannot --- prove or disprove anything. What the numbers show is that Mayweather is a better defensive fighter against his competition, not against Whitaker's (superior) competition. Further, Whitaker didn't hang up the gloves until he was pushing forty. Mayweather's only turning thirty-one later this year (if he hasn't already).

This is without addressing Compubox's questionable record of distinguishing clean punches from partial lands. Systems & numbers like that will never tell the full story of boxing.

[Diamond WEAPON]

who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Actually, compubox disproves that... Mayweather has the highest ratio of his own connects vs. opponent connects in the history of the Compubox system...

As per this article: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=11566

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

But anyway, despite the fact that Mayweather's got a statistically proven better ratio of defense vs. offense I have noticed that Mayweather has a little trouble versus southpaws because of the opposite angles. Zab Judah showed us that to a certain extent. Thus, I think Sweet Pea's inherent trickiness combined with his being a southpaw would allow him to score a pretty close decision over Floyd.

Compubox does not --- & cannot --- prove or disprove anything. What the numbers show is that Mayweather is a better defensive fighter against his competition, not against Whitaker's (superior) competition. Further, Whitaker didn't hang up the gloves until he was pushing forty. Mayweather's only turning thirty-one later this year (if he hasn't already).

This is without addressing Compubox's questionable record of distinguishing clean punches from partial lands. Systems & numbers like that will never tell the full story of boxing.

That was a comparison to a prime Whitaker GI, not an all-encompassing statistic of each's entire career. And even with that kind of margin of error, the fact that PBF's is 30 to Whitaker's 16 is a big enough gap to tell the obvious.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Well, that's quite a bit more impressive, but I'm still not sure I buy it's validity...so many intangibles a computer can't examine, & again, Compubox isn't terribly reliable (though, given the margin of error here, I'd say it's safe to say Mayweather gets hit less, though his competition has been inferior).

One question, Weapon --- who decides the, "prime" years for both men? Which years were used? I ask since a fighters' prime is opinion as much as it is fact.

[Ezzard]

Both are great fighters but Whittaker proved more and simply was better but Mayweather pushes him close.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Well, that's quite a bit more impressive, but I'm still not sure I buy it's validity...so many intangibles a computer can't examine, & again, Compubox isn't terribly reliable (though, given the margin of error here, I'd say it's safe to say Mayweather gets hit less, though his competition has been inferior).

One question, Weapon --- who decides the, "prime" years for both men? Which years were used? I ask since a fighters' prime is opinion as much as it is fact.

IDK, I think it would be great if compubox could actually publish a list compiling all the fights by each fighter in history that it's been used, then it could rank them by who has the widest to lowest margin of difference between hitting and getting hit

[Ambling Alp]

Whitaker was better defensively, Mayweather on offense. Would be a close fight. Whitaker has been in big fights with tough competition, Mayweather has not. I would lean toward Whitaker winning a close decison.

[Ezzard]

The DLH fight is the one...

An old Pernell did better against a prime DLH than a prime Mayweather did against a faded DLH, despite what the results say. Both fights were close

[IKSRTFO]

Whitaker hurt a faster De La Hoya alot more than Mayweather. I think that version of DLH that knocked Quartey down would have beaten Floyd had he existed on that night.

[ringsider]

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