The q we're all asking: should Haye fight Hide & Nelson?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:05

Since Haye demolished Mac in a big all UK fight/world title unification, he's been getting rave reviews.

Though the plan is heavyweight, you never know these MIGHT be the last world titles he ever holds. Why not enjoy them, for another big Uk event for 2, if the weight can be made?

1990s boxing fans will know of old master Johnny Nelson (former long time WBO title holder with the defensive style and some solid wins over Thompson, Dominguez and a down-from-heavyweight Sellers) and Hide (volatile character who guarantees some kind of accident/disaster).

I know Nelson is retired but he looks a fit bloke & apparently not very heavy. The styles may not gel but agood promoter can sell this on Haye's marketability (punch, good looks, media friendly personality) and Nelson as "old master." Would make a decent story and Johnny says he can get in shape.

And then there is Hide who is starting to be taken seriously with his cruiserweight comeback keeping him away from the 6' 5, 230+ lb giants that are just too much for him. Hide can still punch, looks fit and lean, and is as reckless as ever.

I know I'm not the only one who would get up for these fights...

bridportboxer · Post by **bridportboxer** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:13

I'd like to say Macca - Hide winner versus Johnny Nelson.
Or Hide - Nelson winner versus Macca
That would be something to get fairly excited about.
Haye should just go to heavyweight.

Mensa07 · Post by **Mensa07** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:17

hmm, no offence but its not really a question I'm asking, to be fair.

Unless I'm taking your post in the wrong context, and you were actually joking?

Hide & Nelson? ugh.

Macc/Hide would be good I guess, thinking about it.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:19

I know Haye is pretty much finished at the weight, and that there is the risk that Johny will get injurd in training. I just like the sound of these fights. Haye does like hitting tall fighters...

Maybe it's a nostalgia thing because the first real fights I watched were fights like Bowe-Holyfield 2, Hide-Bentt (at a packed Milwall stadium) and Hide-Bowe.

Nelson does have some pedigree - world class though never unified - and I believe he would only come back for Haye.

Ultimately, it seems Haye sees himself as a heavyweight and will just go up.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:20

Mensa07 wrote:hmm, no offence but its not really a question I'm asking, to be fair.

Unless I'm taking your post in the wrong context, and you were actually joking?

Hide & Nelson? ugh.

Macc/Hide would be good I guess, thinking about it.

I was just testing the waters, LOL, not sure whether I was serious or a bit tongue in cheek tbh

Mensa07 · Post by **Mensa07** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:26

lol yeah I got that. I think we'll next see Haye in with a named, ranked but past-it heavy, a Rahman or dare I say it....Johnny Ruiz.. *shudders*

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 13 Mar 2008, 05:57

Autobarn wrote:I know Haye is pretty much finished at the weight, and that there is the risk that Johny will get injurd in training. I just like the sound of these fights. Haye does like hitting tall fighters...

Maybe it's a nostalgia thing because the first real fights I watched were fights like Bowe-Holyfield 2, Hide-Bentt (at a packed Milwall stadium) and Hide-Bowe.

Nelson does have some pedigree - world class though never unified - and I believe he would only come back for Haye.

Ultimately, it seems Haye sees himself as a heavyweight and will just go up.

If you think Millwall was packed you obviously didn't watch that closely.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:03

I didn't look that closely. How many were there that night?

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:08

I'd love to see these fights. But they won't happen, because what I want I rarely get.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:14

Hang on Auto you where the most vocal about Haye taking the fight against Enzo, over how unfair it would be because of the weight issues.

Now you want hm to stay for another 2 fights?

Anyway, Nelson has had his moment, and no offence to him, but he bailed out of a fight against Enzo sighting injury which now appears not to be a problem.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:17

Nah, Haye is going up to World Class Heavyweight.

Nelson has little appeal, and ffs the guy isn't young, either.

Hide is looking good, but at Crusierweight, so it unlikely to happen, but never say never!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:26

Twinkle Toes wrote:Hang on Auto you where the most vocal about Haye taking the fight against Enzo, over how unfair it would be because of the weight issues.

Now you want hm to stay for another 2 fights?

Anyway, Nelson has had his moment, and no offence to him, but he bailed out of a fight against Enzo sighting injury which now appears not to be a problem.

they definitely tricked me a bit. obviously, physically he does need to make the move up soon. I suppose if he had another fight at cruiser that dull Yank Cunningham would say Haye was ducking him.

whicker · Post by **whicker** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:31

Haye is moving up to heavyweight, I think thats accepted fact.

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 13 Mar 2008, 06:57

bridportboxer wrote:Haye should just go to heavyweight.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 13 Mar 2008, 07:27

Haye belongs at HW now. He has nothing to prove at CW.

Cunningham and Macca should fight to find out who is the legitimate successor to Haye.

Hide faces Bell for the right to face the winner of Cunningham and Macca.

Nelson can feck off. He had his chance and he retired. He needs to prove his body can still cope with the rigours of a training camp.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Mar 2008, 07:42

yeah, heavyweight sounds best.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 13 Mar 2008, 09:24

HW definately.

I like Nelson but he never even uttered Hayes name til he announced he'd moved up and he's retired. Haye-Hide would be exciting whilst it lasted, but Hayes got feck all to prove at 200.

Bring on Wlad and co

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 13 Mar 2008, 09:43

Haye should keep the titles for a month or 2 and enjoy it.

THEN go to Heavyweight.

Nelson Vs Hide would be fun - but Hide would get stopped then fight the ref and attack Nelson.

There is something wrong with Herbie.

Boxingmad · Post by **Boxingmad** » 13 Mar 2008, 10:04

Haye should fight Cunningham and then Herbie Hide - that way there would be no arguments at all about who's the best (assuming Haye wins of course). Both are interesting bouts and there would be genuine needle between DH & HH - Hide would most likely lose his rag at the weigh-in which adds to the excitement.

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Mar 2008, 10:07

They're those sort of lads.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Mar 2008, 05:50

Livingstone Cole wrote:Nelson No.

Hide maybe. Though it's more a curiosity match that I'd watch to see how Hide fares rather than Haye, but truth be told it's not a good fight for either. Haye would be expected to win and quick. Hide seems to want to be a successful Cruiser, so taking on weight hopping, devastating puncher Haye in Herbie's advanced years isn't too smart. But then again has smart and Herbie Hide ever been used in the same sentence?

that's how I see it. There is that car crash value with HH, and both can bang.

Herbie is a very big bloke as well. He's always made loads of technical errors, chin up, relying on speed and reflexes (both of which are still pretty impressive). But he would definitely try and take Haye out with every shot. Haye should be too good & should be using his potential up at heavyweight, but I would really look forward to this.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 Mar 2008, 06:57

[quote="Boxingmad"]Haye should fight Cunningham and then Herbie Hide - that way there would be no arguments at all about who's the best (assuming Haye wins of course). [quote]

I'm sorry, what?! Cunningham has lost and won a close decision to Wlodarcyk, probably the biggest name (

) on his resume. Hide has done feck all at CW.

There is no argument. David Haye is the best CW on the planet right now. Steve has a valid argument for number 2. Hide has no argument to be in the top 10.