Eusebio Pedroza: One of boxing's MOST DUCKED fighters?

[Collins2000]

I think Collins summed it up well in an earlier post when he said that Eusebio was happy doing his WBA thing.
That really is how I remember it.
I dont recall any real talk from either side about Sanchez and Pedroza fighting.
I mean it was a desireable fight sure and it may have happaned eventually but back then there were certain WBA and Wbc fighters who were just kept from each other.
Not saying it was a good thing...
Same deal when Palomino and Cuevas were champs.
I dont recall any serious talk about those two fighting either.
It was just the boxing politics of the day is all.

Cheers, Expug, it's good to see a few of us do remember how it really was in those days.

[elmersalsa]

Yeah that's it. Sanchez didn't want to get hit with the bolo punch. Whatever.

No, I don't think Pedroza "calling out" someone means anything. Because it doesn't. That is done for the cameras. How many times did Hopkins and Jones call each other out for a rematch? It never happened. Usually their next fight was against a tomato can.
Aaron Pryor would run his mouth for the cameras, but the bottom line is that he never stepped up and fought at welterweight. Had he beaten some welterweight contenders he would have gotton a title shot at welterweight. (He didn't even fight the best Jr Welterweights). It was all talk.

Larry Holmes was the WBC heavyweight champion for 7 years. He didn't scream out that he wanted to fight the WBA champion. Did that mean that he was afraid of the WBA champion? Of course not. Holmes didn't bother doing it becasue he knew that there really wasn't much interest in him fighting the WBA champ.

For once, read what I wrote. Unification fights usually don't happen. They usually only happen when it is by far the biggest fight out there and the "Governing Bodies" can make their $ from sanctioning it. At the time that Sanchez died, Sanchez-Pedroza wasn't seen as a mega fight.
The interest in it didn't remotely approach the other big fights of the time.
Casual fans had barely heard of Pedroza.
In another year or two (with impressive wins by Pedroza) interest may have grown and it may have been.

There are all sorts of reasons why a fight like Sanchez-Pedroza didn't happen. Besides the alphabet soups, you have promters. Maybe they don't want the fight to happen.
You also have to deal with timing. You keep forgetting that often after Sanchez would win a fight and be looking for another, Pedroza was already signed to fight someone else.

Sometimes guys do get ducked. Sonny Liston was by Patterson for awhile, that was obvious. Liston beat everyone else that was a serious contender and Patterson was fighting nobodies. This isn't at all what happened with Pedroza and Sanchez.

Sanchez was only 23 and had only been the champion for two years. Say that to yourself a few times. Let it sink in.

Still waiting for you to explain the following:
"If Sanchez was so great, why he did not challenged Pedroza instead of Lopez?"

Later you ask" Sanchez the #1 contender, went for Danny Lopez. Ok, lets say that Lopez was "better" at the time. The fact is , if Pedroza, was not as good as Danny, why did he (Sanchez) not challenge him Pedroza?"

Those two lines are priceless. You criticize Sanchez for not challenging Pedroza first (implying that he fought Lopez becasue he was the weaker of the two.)
Than later you say he should have fought Pedroza because Pedroza wasn't as good?

Bob Arum offered $500,000 to Sanchez to fight Pedroza. WBC President Jose Sulaiman and Sanchez did not want none of Pedroza. Now, Arum is a liar and now, IT DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185


Now, Liston is DUCKED, that is valid, but Pedroza is not ducked by Sanchez. The seemingly "#2 best feather" according to some fans and this overrated AMERICAN media

TO answer your question about why Sanchez opted for Lopez. I said that "Let's say that Lopez was the better champion" because I want to give the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO Sanchez. Maybe Danny AT THE TIME, WAS BETTER. PEDROZA WAS UNKNOWN IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA and all over the world at the time. Now that he got the title, what about a title unification?

Aren't the two the 2 best of the feather division?
Aren't the two, two great champions?


that is bunch of HOGWASH AND BALONEY about that fight was not made because of governing bodies. Sanchez and Sulaiman, BOTH MEXICANS, did not wanted nothing with this guy Pedroza. Could it be that Pedroza had the reputation of a DIRTY FIGHTER after he gave LaPorte so many bolo punches to the ribs?

My take was that Pedroza was not a fighter that fits his style. Arguello, Lopez, Gomez and Nelson were all straight up fighting guys that were mostly flat footed. Pedroza was swift with his feet, very crafty technician, great stamina, tall for a bantamweight, great inside fighter as well as outside, fast and durable. That is TOO MUCH for Sanchez to take on him. He did not want that kind of fighter. If Pedroza was a flat footed fighter, Sanchez long time would have tried to clean up the division.

None of those fighters: Lopez, Gomez nor Nelson had THE SKILLS AND CRAFTINESS NOR MENTAL TOUGHNESS that Pedroza had...None of them.

Now, if people want to criticize me for saying that Sanchez ducked him, that is my opinion, and it was OBVIOUS IN MY EYES THAT HE DID DUCKED PEDROZA.

[elmersalsa]

I think Collins summed it up well in an earlier post when he said that Eusebio was happy doing his WBA thing.
That really is how I remember it.
I dont recall any real talk from either side about Sanchez and Pedroza fighting.
I mean it was a desireable fight sure and it may have happaned eventually but back then there were certain WBA and Wbc fighters who were just kept from each other.
Not saying it was a good thing...
Same deal when Palomino and Cuevas were champs.
I dont recall any serious talk about those two fighting either.
It was just the boxing politics of the day is all.

Cheers, Expug, it's good to see a few of us do remember how it really was in those days.

you live in Australia, mate....go and play some rugby.

[Collins2000]

I think Collins summed it up well in an earlier post when he said that Eusebio was happy doing his WBA thing.
That really is how I remember it.
I dont recall any real talk from either side about Sanchez and Pedroza fighting.
I mean it was a desireable fight sure and it may have happaned eventually but back then there were certain WBA and Wbc fighters who were just kept from each other.
Not saying it was a good thing...
Same deal when Palomino and Cuevas were champs.
I dont recall any serious talk about those two fighting either.
It was just the boxing politics of the day is all.

Cheers, Expug, it's good to see a few of us do remember how it really was in those days.

you live in Australia, mate....go and play some rugby.

How old are you, Elma?

Or are you just as dim as your prose suggests?

[Collins2000]

Yeah that's it. Sanchez didn't want to get hit with the bolo punch. Whatever.

No, I don't think Pedroza "calling out" someone means anything. Because it doesn't. That is done for the cameras. How many times did Hopkins and Jones call each other out for a rematch? It never happened. Usually their next fight was against a tomato can.
Aaron Pryor would run his mouth for the cameras, but the bottom line is that he never stepped up and fought at welterweight. Had he beaten some welterweight contenders he would have gotton a title shot at welterweight. (He didn't even fight the best Jr Welterweights). It was all talk.

Larry Holmes was the WBC heavyweight champion for 7 years. He didn't scream out that he wanted to fight the WBA champion. Did that mean that he was afraid of the WBA champion? Of course not. Holmes didn't bother doing it becasue he knew that there really wasn't much interest in him fighting the WBA champ.

For once, read what I wrote. Unification fights usually don't happen. They usually only happen when it is by far the biggest fight out there and the "Governing Bodies" can make their $ from sanctioning it. At the time that Sanchez died, Sanchez-Pedroza wasn't seen as a mega fight.
The interest in it didn't remotely approach the other big fights of the time.
Casual fans had barely heard of Pedroza.
In another year or two (with impressive wins by Pedroza) interest may have grown and it may have been.

There are all sorts of reasons why a fight like Sanchez-Pedroza didn't happen. Besides the alphabet soups, you have promters. Maybe they don't want the fight to happen.
You also have to deal with timing. You keep forgetting that often after Sanchez would win a fight and be looking for another, Pedroza was already signed to fight someone else.

Sometimes guys do get ducked. Sonny Liston was by Patterson for awhile, that was obvious. Liston beat everyone else that was a serious contender and Patterson was fighting nobodies. This isn't at all what happened with Pedroza and Sanchez.

Sanchez was only 23 and had only been the champion for two years. Say that to yourself a few times. Let it sink in.

Still waiting for you to explain the following:
"If Sanchez was so great, why he did not challenged Pedroza instead of Lopez?"

Later you ask" Sanchez the #1 contender, went for Danny Lopez. Ok, lets say that Lopez was "better" at the time. The fact is , if Pedroza, was not as good as Danny, why did he (Sanchez) not challenge him Pedroza?"

Those two lines are priceless. You criticize Sanchez for not challenging Pedroza first (implying that he fought Lopez becasue he was the weaker of the two.)
Than later you say he should have fought Pedroza because Pedroza wasn't as good?

Bob Arum offered $500,000 to Sanchez to fight Pedroza. WBC President Jose Sulaiman and Sanchez did not want none of Pedroza. Now, Arum is a liar and now, IT DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185


Now, Liston is DUCKED, that is valid, but Pedroza is not ducked by Sanchez. The seemingly "#2 best feather" according to some fans and this overrated AMERICAN media

TO answer your question about why Sanchez opted for Lopez. I said that "Let's say that Lopez was the better champion" because I want to give the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO Sanchez. Maybe Danny AT THE TIME, WAS BETTER. PEDROZA WAS UNKNOWN IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA and all over the world at the time. Now that he got the title, what about a title unification?

Aren't the two the 2 best of the feather division?
Aren't the two, two great champions?


that is bunch of HOGWASH AND BALONEY about that fight was not made because of governing bodies. Sanchez and Sulaiman, BOTH MEXICANS, did not wanted nothing with this guy Pedroza. Could it be that Pedroza had the reputation of a DIRTY FIGHTER after he gave LaPorte so many bolo punches to the ribs?

My take was that Pedroza was not a fighter that fits his style. Arguello, Lopez, Gomez and Nelson were all straight up fighting guys that were mostly flat footed. Pedroza was swift with his feet, very crafty technician, great stamina, tall for a bantamweight, great inside fighter as well as outside, fast and durable. That is TOO MUCH for Sanchez to take on him. He did not want that kind of fighter. If Pedroza was a flat footed fighter, Sanchez long time would have tried to clean up the division.

None of those fighters: Lopez, Gomez nor Nelson had THE SKILLS AND CRAFTINESS NOR MENTAL TOUGHNESS that Pedroza had...None of them.

Now, if people want to criticize me for saying that Sanchez ducked him, that is my opinion, and it was OBVIOUS IN MY EYES THAT HE DID DUCKED PEDROZA.

Elma,

Are you having a laugh?

Surely not even you are that simple...

That article by Trunzo is a fantasy fight.

Didn't you read it?

Here is a working link

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185

Fekk me, Elma, you'll never live this down.

[elmersalsa]

Yeah that's it. Sanchez didn't want to get hit with the bolo punch. Whatever.

No, I don't think Pedroza "calling out" someone means anything. Because it doesn't. That is done for the cameras. How many times did Hopkins and Jones call each other out for a rematch? It never happened. Usually their next fight was against a tomato can.
Aaron Pryor would run his mouth for the cameras, but the bottom line is that he never stepped up and fought at welterweight. Had he beaten some welterweight contenders he would have gotton a title shot at welterweight. (He didn't even fight the best Jr Welterweights). It was all talk.

Larry Holmes was the WBC heavyweight champion for 7 years. He didn't scream out that he wanted to fight the WBA champion. Did that mean that he was afraid of the WBA champion? Of course not. Holmes didn't bother doing it becasue he knew that there really wasn't much interest in him fighting the WBA champ.

For once, read what I wrote. Unification fights usually don't happen. They usually only happen when it is by far the biggest fight out there and the "Governing Bodies" can make their $ from sanctioning it. At the time that Sanchez died, Sanchez-Pedroza wasn't seen as a mega fight.
The interest in it didn't remotely approach the other big fights of the time.
Casual fans had barely heard of Pedroza.
In another year or two (with impressive wins by Pedroza) interest may have grown and it may have been.

There are all sorts of reasons why a fight like Sanchez-Pedroza didn't happen. Besides the alphabet soups, you have promters. Maybe they don't want the fight to happen.
You also have to deal with timing. You keep forgetting that often after Sanchez would win a fight and be looking for another, Pedroza was already signed to fight someone else.

Sometimes guys do get ducked. Sonny Liston was by Patterson for awhile, that was obvious. Liston beat everyone else that was a serious contender and Patterson was fighting nobodies. This isn't at all what happened with Pedroza and Sanchez.

Sanchez was only 23 and had only been the champion for two years. Say that to yourself a few times. Let it sink in.

Still waiting for you to explain the following:
"If Sanchez was so great, why he did not challenged Pedroza instead of Lopez?"

Later you ask" Sanchez the #1 contender, went for Danny Lopez. Ok, lets say that Lopez was "better" at the time. The fact is , if Pedroza, was not as good as Danny, why did he (Sanchez) not challenge him Pedroza?"

Those two lines are priceless. You criticize Sanchez for not challenging Pedroza first (implying that he fought Lopez becasue he was the weaker of the two.)
Than later you say he should have fought Pedroza because Pedroza wasn't as good?

Bob Arum offered $500,000 to Sanchez to fight Pedroza. WBC President Jose Sulaiman and Sanchez did not want none of Pedroza. Now, Arum is a liar and now, IT DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185


Now, Liston is DUCKED, that is valid, but Pedroza is not ducked by Sanchez. The seemingly "#2 best feather" according to some fans and this overrated AMERICAN media

TO answer your question about why Sanchez opted for Lopez. I said that "Let's say that Lopez was the better champion" because I want to give the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO Sanchez. Maybe Danny AT THE TIME, WAS BETTER. PEDROZA WAS UNKNOWN IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA and all over the world at the time. Now that he got the title, what about a title unification?

Aren't the two the 2 best of the feather division?
Aren't the two, two great champions?


that is bunch of HOGWASH AND BALONEY about that fight was not made because of governing bodies. Sanchez and Sulaiman, BOTH MEXICANS, did not wanted nothing with this guy Pedroza. Could it be that Pedroza had the reputation of a DIRTY FIGHTER after he gave LaPorte so many bolo punches to the ribs?

My take was that Pedroza was not a fighter that fits his style. Arguello, Lopez, Gomez and Nelson were all straight up fighting guys that were mostly flat footed. Pedroza was swift with his feet, very crafty technician, great stamina, tall for a bantamweight, great inside fighter as well as outside, fast and durable. That is TOO MUCH for Sanchez to take on him. He did not want that kind of fighter. If Pedroza was a flat footed fighter, Sanchez long time would have tried to clean up the division.

None of those fighters: Lopez, Gomez nor Nelson had THE SKILLS AND CRAFTINESS NOR MENTAL TOUGHNESS that Pedroza had...None of them.

Now, if people want to criticize me for saying that Sanchez ducked him, that is my opinion, and it was OBVIOUS IN MY EYES THAT HE DID DUCKED PEDROZA.

Elma,

Are you having a laugh?

Surely not even you are that simple...

That article by Trunzo is a fantasy fight.

Didn't you read it?

Here is a working link

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185

Fekk me, Elma, you'll never live this down.

How could a fantasy match imply that Sanchez did ducked Pedroza. He is telling the stuff that were happening at the time, then he came with a fantasy fight.

[Collins2000]

Bob Arum offered $500,000 to Sanchez to fight Pedroza. WBC President Jose Sulaiman and Sanchez did not want none of Pedroza. Now, Arum is a liar and now, IT DOES NOT MEAN NOTHING?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185


Now, Liston is DUCKED, that is valid, but Pedroza is not ducked by Sanchez. The seemingly "#2 best feather" according to some fans and this overrated AMERICAN media

TO answer your question about why Sanchez opted for Lopez. I said that "Let's say that Lopez was the better champion" because I want to give the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO Sanchez. Maybe Danny AT THE TIME, WAS BETTER. PEDROZA WAS UNKNOWN IN ENGLAND AND AMERICA and all over the world at the time. Now that he got the title, what about a title unification?

Aren't the two the 2 best of the feather division?
Aren't the two, two great champions?


that is bunch of HOGWASH AND BALONEY about that fight was not made because of governing bodies. Sanchez and Sulaiman, BOTH MEXICANS, did not wanted nothing with this guy Pedroza. Could it be that Pedroza had the reputation of a DIRTY FIGHTER after he gave LaPorte so many bolo punches to the ribs?

My take was that Pedroza was not a fighter that fits his style. Arguello, Lopez, Gomez and Nelson were all straight up fighting guys that were mostly flat footed. Pedroza was swift with his feet, very crafty technician, great stamina, tall for a bantamweight, great inside fighter as well as outside, fast and durable. That is TOO MUCH for Sanchez to take on him. He did not want that kind of fighter. If Pedroza was a flat footed fighter, Sanchez long time would have tried to clean up the division.

None of those fighters: Lopez, Gomez nor Nelson had THE SKILLS AND CRAFTINESS NOR MENTAL TOUGHNESS that Pedroza had...None of them.

Now, if people want to criticize me for saying that Sanchez ducked him, that is my opinion, and it was OBVIOUS IN MY EYES THAT HE DID DUCKED PEDROZA.

Elma,

Are you having a laugh?

Surely not even you are that simple...

That article by Trunzo is a fantasy fight.

Didn't you read it?

Here is a working link

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185

Fekk me, Elma, you'll never live this down.

How could a fantasy match imply that Sanchez did ducked Pedroza. He is telling the stuff that were happening at the time, then he came with a fantasy fight.

Elma,

After the section headed The Background, all the rest, including the $500,000 is the fantasy build up and fantasy match.

Trunzo makes this perfectly clear by heading it The Way it Should Have Been.

I shouldn't really have to explain this to you, should I?

The fact that you thought it was real merely proves my premise that you know nothing at all about that era.

[Borinken25]

Elma,

Are you having a laugh?

Surely not even you are that simple...

That article by Trunzo is a fantasy fight.

Didn't you read it?

Here is a working link

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/tb/tbarticle.php?id=185

Fekk me, Elma, you'll never live this down.

How could a fantasy match imply that Sanchez did ducked Pedroza. He is telling the stuff that were happening at the time, then he came with a fantasy fight.

Elma,

After the section headed The Background, all the rest, including the $500,000 is the fantasy build up and fantasy match.

Trunzo makes this perfectly clear by heading it The Way it Should Have Been.

I shouldn't really have to explain this to you, should I?

The fact that you thought it was real merely proves my premise that you know nothing at all about that era.

The most fear fighter of that era around those weight classes was without a doubt Wilfredo Gomez and Sanchez beat the crap out him. To imply that Sanchez ducked Pedroza is extremely irrational. Pedroza was a no name that lost by KO twice in 1976 and that really kill his name. His loss to Zamora really killed his name. Even Juan La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza.

Please stop with the nonsense conspiracy theories. You have been exposed, imagine that bringing a make believe fairy tale of “THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN” as a fact.

I do thank you for making me laugh until tears came out of my eyes. That is some really funny stuff.

Btw is did live through that era, nobody told me about it and I didn’t read in some magic make believe book/internet site.

[Nile4000]

Nice to hear John L mention Bernard Taylor. The guy is often overlooked. He was a formidable fighter for a number of years.

Just about the fastest fists I've ever seen. I’ll probably take some heat for this opinion, but I think the BT Express could have beaten Sanchez. His speed was on an entirely different level than anyone else in the division, and I could have seen him build up a very big lead against Sanchez and then it would have been a matter of whether or not he could have survived the final 5 as BT tended to slow down in the late stages of some of his fights.

He should've fought better competiton coming up, if so, the belt would've been his.Him and Howard Davis Jr. two of the biggest dissappointments in the last 25-30 years of boxing.

[The Great John L]

Nice to hear John L mention Bernard Taylor. The guy is often overlooked. He was a formidable fighter for a number of years.

Just about the fastest fists I've ever seen. I’ll probably take some heat for this opinion, but I think the BT Express could have beaten Sanchez. His speed was on an entirely different level than anyone else in the division, and I could have seen him build up a very big lead against Sanchez and then it would have been a matter of whether or not he could have survived the final 5 as BT tended to slow down in the late stages of some of his fights.

He should've fought better competiton coming up, if so, the belt would've been his.Him and Howard Davis Jr. two of the biggest dissappointments in the last 25-30 years of boxing.

It would be hard to argue otherwise...

[elmersalsa]

How could a fantasy match imply that Sanchez did ducked Pedroza. He is telling the stuff that were happening at the time, then he came with a fantasy fight.

Elma,

After the section headed The Background, all the rest, including the $500,000 is the fantasy build up and fantasy match.

Trunzo makes this perfectly clear by heading it The Way it Should Have Been.

I shouldn't really have to explain this to you, should I?

The fact that you thought it was real merely proves my premise that you know nothing at all about that era.

The most fear fighter of that era around those weight classes was without a doubt Wilfredo Gomez and Sanchez beat the crap out him. To imply that Sanchez ducked Pedroza is extremely irrational. Pedroza was a no name that lost by KO twice in 1976 and that really kill his name. His loss to Zamora really killed his name. Even Juan La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza.

Please stop with the nonsense conspiracy theories. You have been exposed, imagine that bringing a make believe fairy tale of “THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN” as a fact.

I do thank you for making me laugh until tears came out of my eyes. That is some really funny stuff.

Btw is did live through that era, nobody told me about it and I didn’t read in some magic make believe book/internet site.

Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

[Collins2000]

[Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

Any more fantasy fights to share with us, Elma?

That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen in here.

Hahahahaha, "Arum paid them $500,000 each blah, blah, blah".

[Borinken25]

[Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

Any more fantasy fights to share with us, Elma?

That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen in here.

Hahahahaha, "Arum paid them $500,000 each blah, blah, blah".

This Elmerfudd has no shame.

[Borinken25]

Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

It seems you either have a comprehension problem or you don’t know how to read.

First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Third: It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte.

Fourth: Have you no shame? People keep exposing your very limited knowledge of that era. Imagine that bringing a fantasy as a fact. And you ask “Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza?” (Plase refer to Third for explanation, since it is clear you don't know the facts.)

Please Elmerfudd stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny he is not going to help you learn much about boxing.

Any more fantasy fights to share with us?

Thank you for being so funny.

[elmersalsa]

Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

It seems you either have a comprehension problem or you don’t know how to read.

First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Third: It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte.

Fourth: Have you no shame? People keep exposing your very limited knowledge of that era. Imagine that bringing a fantasy as a fact. And you ask “Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza?” (Plase refer to Third for explanation, since it is clear you don't know the facts.)

Please Elmerfudd stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny he is not going to help you learn much about boxing.

Any more fantasy fights to share with us?

Thank you for being so funny.

Guys like this DON'T HAVE NO CLUE OR FACTS TO BEGIN WITH...One of the STUPID FACTS this IGNORANT BOY THROWS IS:

"It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte."

But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?


ANOTHER THING THAT HE SAYS:
First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Yeah, he was so feared that Gomez did not wanted to give Pedroza a title unification match. He was so feared, that he was 4 pounds under the feather limit. He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.


THEN HE SAYS:
Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Antonio Margarito could NEVER be in Pedroza's shoes...Neither Juan LaPorte. How can a man that does not have a title defense is more recognizable than a man that has 13 title defenses up to that point? Explain that to me sir, Explain? LaPorte a bigger name at the time? With only 17 fights, plus a loss to Sanchez?


Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift. He was not a flatfooted fighter like Arguello and Danny Lopez. This was a guy that these 3 guys had to fight very well to beat him. He was not an easy target to hit, neither an easy customer. Very complete fighter.
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[Collins2000]

Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

It seems you either have a comprehension problem or you don’t know how to read.

First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Third: It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte.

Fourth: Have you no shame? People keep exposing your very limited knowledge of that era. Imagine that bringing a fantasy as a fact. And you ask “Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza?” (Plase refer to Third for explanation, since it is clear you don't know the facts.)

Please Elmerfudd stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny he is not going to help you learn much about boxing.

Any more fantasy fights to share with us?

Thank you for being so funny.

Guys like this DON'T HAVE NO CLUE OR FACTS TO BEGIN WITH...One of the STUPID FACTS this IGNORANT BOY THROWS IS:

"It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte."

But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?


ANOTHER THING THAT HE SAYS:
First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Yeah, he was so feared that Gomez did not wanted to give Pedroza a title unification match. He was so feared, that he was 4 pounds under the feather limit. He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.


THEN HE SAYS:
Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Antonio Margarito could NEVER be in Pedroza's shoes...Neither Juan LaPorte. How can a man that does not have a title defense is more recognizable than a man that has 13 title defenses up to that point? Explain that to me sir, Explain? LaPorte a bigger name at the time? With only 17 fights, plus a loss to Sanchez?


Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift. He was not a flatfooted fighter like Arguello and Danny Lopez. This was a guy that these 3 guys had to fight very well to beat him. He was not an easy target to hit, neither an easy customer. Very complete fighter.
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No, I don't like this post very much.

Can you find another one of Jim Trunzo's fantasy fights and then build a whole scenario around it like is it real? You are much better at that than the rest of us...

[Borinken25]

Man, what do you know...Your very own Wilfredo Gomez did not want none of Pedroza to begin with. Are you saying that Gomez was BETTER FEATHERWEIGHT? Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza? because LaPorte was "better"? How could that be, sir? how could that be? Ain't LaPorte got whupped by Pedroza, being LaPorte crying like a LITTLE BITCH?

It seems you either have a comprehension problem or you don’t know how to read.

First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Third: It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte.

Fourth: Have you no shame? People keep exposing your very limited knowledge of that era. Imagine that bringing a fantasy as a fact. And you ask “Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza?” (Plase refer to Third for explanation, since it is clear you don't know the facts.)

Please Elmerfudd stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny he is not going to help you learn much about boxing.

Any more fantasy fights to share with us?

Thank you for being so funny.

Guys like this DON'T HAVE NO CLUE OR FACTS TO BEGIN WITH...One of the STUPID FACTS this IGNORANT BOY THROWS IS:

"It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte."

But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?


ANOTHER THING THAT HE SAYS:
First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Yeah, he was so feared that Gomez did not wanted to give Pedroza a title unification match. He was so feared, that he was 4 pounds under the feather limit. He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.


THEN HE SAYS:
Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Antonio Margarito could NEVER be in Pedroza's shoes...Neither Juan LaPorte. How can a man that does not have a title defense is more recognizable than a man that has 13 title defenses up to that point? Explain that to me sir, Explain? LaPorte a bigger name at the time? With only 17 fights, plus a loss to Sanchez?


Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift. He was not a flatfooted fighter like Arguello and Danny Lopez. This was a guy that these 3 guys had to fight very well to beat him. He was not an easy target to hit, neither an easy customer. Very complete fighter.
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But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?

With every post you seem more clueless than ever. Who was the champion in 1985 when Gomez fought for WBA title? In 1985 Gomez wanted a rematch with Nelson, but he was offer a fight for the WBA vs Lockrige and he took it. Pedroza was not the champion at that time. You have no clue of that era. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.
Again clueless. Sanchez by far was considered the better fighter, plus he held the WBC title. Sanchez had wins over Danny Lopez, Ruben Castillo, and Juan La Porte and was undefeated. On the other hand Pedroza was KO not TKO but KO by Zamora and had three loses by KO. Now tell me Pedroza was the better choice? You are clueless and have no sense of business.

Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

The same facts of your fantasy fight. Why don’t you give us another fantasy fight since it seems you live in fantasy.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift.

Good chin? He was KO not TKO but KO by Zamora and two bums. Again clueless.


You need to get back to reality and stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny in fantasy Island.

Please don’t embarrass yourself anymore. Stop trying to pass your and Jim Trunzo's fantasies as fact. I’m still laughing at your facts, clueless.

[Arbachakov]

Elmer's statement of Gomez being flatfooted and straightup is laughable.

Gomez had some of the best footwork and upper-body movement of any fighter in the world at the time.

He was a monster and more highly regarded than sanchez or Pedroza by a considerably margin.

Hence why him losing to Sanchez in the manner he did was such a shock.

[Chava]

I've been reading some of the stuff in this thead with a bit of interest as Sanchez is my favorite fighter, and by extension, I also followed Pedroza's career pretty closely as he built (slowly built) his reputation as a great fighter.


First, Pedroza was not ducked by anyone as a fighter. He simply didn't have the level of respect afforded a guy who is "avoided." I want to be careful here to add that the lack of respect was not right or deserved. The man was a worthy HOF'er, ad would have been a very stern test for Sanchez, perhaps he may have even beaten him. Styles making fights and all, he would most likely have been very difficult for the Mexican to figure out, but I think most people would have put their money on the WBC champ.

As to why Gomez didn't fight him, well.........this has already been eloquently put out there, but I'll reiterate; Sanchez was the bigger name by a country mile in 1981, and meant not only that a victory over him would mean far more in the public eye, but most importantly meant a hell of a lot more money. That of course is the driving factor in any megafight.

I guess you had to be there to understand (and some of you clearly were). It's easy to look back now on all those title defense over seven years and not see any real defining fight for Pedroza, and claim fighters ducked him. That simply isn't the case. There really isn't even any room for serious discussion about it. It's just that when all the big names were around such as Gomez and Sanchez and Lopez, Pedroza was still a fairly new crowned champ, and had absolutely no cache' at the box office. He was a ways away from really proving himself as worthy of a big fight at that point. It really is as simple as that.

[granberry]

Elmer's statement of Gomez being flatfooted and straightup is laughable.

Gomez had some of the best footwork and upper-body movement of any fighter in the world at the time.

He was a monster and more highly regarded than sanchez or Pedroza by a considerably margin.

Hence why him losing to Sanchez in the manner he did was such a shock.

Gomez was a FOUL fighter.

When he fought in Puerto Rico,

he was given free license by the refs to foul to his heart's content.

The ending of his fight with Zarate is on youtube.

Gomez hits Zarate while he down--

and commits how many other fouls in the space of a few seconds?
.

[I Feel Fine]

Gomez was a FOUL fighter.

When he fought in Puerto Rico,

he was given free license by the refs to foul to his heart's content.

The ending of his fight with Zarate is on youtube.

Gomez hits Zarate while he down--

and commits how many other fouls in the space of a few seconds?
.

I don't hear you bitching when it's Marciano getting away with the same stuff.

[elmersalsa]

It seems you either have a comprehension problem or you don’t know how to read.

First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Third: It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte.

Fourth: Have you no shame? People keep exposing your very limited knowledge of that era. Imagine that bringing a fantasy as a fact. And you ask “Why he went for LaPorte instead of Pedroza?” (Plase refer to Third for explanation, since it is clear you don't know the facts.)

Please Elmerfudd stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny he is not going to help you learn much about boxing.

Any more fantasy fights to share with us?

Thank you for being so funny.

Guys like this DON'T HAVE NO CLUE OR FACTS TO BEGIN WITH...One of the STUPID FACTS this IGNORANT BOY THROWS IS:

"It is very clear that you don’t know much about that era. Wilfredo Gomez did not go for Pedroza simple because he fought all his career for the WBC organization and that is who was giving him the title shot against La Porte."

But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?


ANOTHER THING THAT HE SAYS:
First: nobody said that Wilfredo Gomez was a better Featherweight. That was not even implied on my reply. What I said is that Wilfredo Gomez was more feared than Pedroza.

Yeah, he was so feared that Gomez did not wanted to give Pedroza a title unification match. He was so feared, that he was 4 pounds under the feather limit. He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.


THEN HE SAYS:
Second: like I said before even La Porte was a bigger name than Pedroza. I did not say that La Parte was better than Pedroza. Pedroza was simply a no name. Something similar to what Margarito is today.

Antonio Margarito could NEVER be in Pedroza's shoes...Neither Juan LaPorte. How can a man that does not have a title defense is more recognizable than a man that has 13 title defenses up to that point? Explain that to me sir, Explain? LaPorte a bigger name at the time? With only 17 fights, plus a loss to Sanchez?


Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift. He was not a flatfooted fighter like Arguello and Danny Lopez. This was a guy that these 3 guys had to fight very well to beat him. He was not an easy target to hit, neither an easy customer. Very complete fighter.
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But Gomez was able to challenge Rocky Lockridge for the WBA Jr Lightweight Title? Lockdrigde was a Pedroza victim...do you remember?

With every post you seem more clueless than ever. Who was the champion in 1985 when Gomez fought for WBA title? In 1985 Gomez wanted a rematch with Nelson, but he was offer a fight for the WBA vs Lockrige and he took it. Pedroza was not the champion at that time. You have no clue of that era. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

He opted for Sanchez because he knew that Pedroza was something hard to deal with...PEDROZA COULD HAVE HURT YOUR BOY'S CAREER.
Again clueless. Sanchez by far was considered the better fighter, plus he held the WBC title. Sanchez had wins over Danny Lopez, Ruben Castillo, and Juan La Porte and was undefeated. On the other hand Pedroza was KO not TKO but KO by Zamora and had three loses by KO. Now tell me Pedroza was the better choice? You are clueless and have no sense of business.

Eusebio Pedroza was ducked by these three guys in my view. Whosoever does not want to believe it, fine, I could live with that. I believe that they ducked this guy because of the facts that I gave. Simply, CLEAR FACTS.

The same facts of your fantasy fight. Why don’t you give us another fantasy fight since it seems you live in fantasy.

Pedroza was a fighter with excellent poise, intelligent, tall, very complete, crafty, with great jab, ring generalship, good chin, too tough and swift.

Good chin? He was KO not TKO but KO by Zamora and two bums. Again clueless.


You need to get back to reality and stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny in fantasy Island.

Please don’t embarrass yourself anymore. Stop trying to pass your and Jim Trunzo's fantasies as fact. I’m still laughing at your facts, clueless.

Pedroza had 3 KO losses at the time when he was a bantamweight, not a featherweight. As a fool like you, I UNDERSTAND that you don't know the time nor the era, plus, what do you understand about boxing technique?

Pedroza whupped LaPorte and this one cried like a little BITCH. Then, Sanchez and Gomez and Nelson saw this, and did not want none of Pedroza. Gomez won the WBA Jr. Lightweight title and said tha he was going to give Pedroza, an exchampion at the time, a title shot. Where was the title shot, sir? I remember when he said that. Where is the title shot?

Nelson another one that ducked Pedroza when Pedroza called him to fight. If Nelson was so good, why he did not go for Pedroza for an unification match?

And Sanchez wanted Arguello? How about Pedroza? mmmmmmm NO. He is too skilled, too good and too tough.

Pedroza gotta be one of boxing's must ducked fighters of all-time.

At least Pedroza whupped LaPorte and made him his BITCH.

All that shit that Sanchez was "better" than Pedroza technically skilled, and would have beaten him is a bunch of GARBAGE. YOU GOT TO PROVE IT IN THE RING.

[Collins2000]

All that shit that Sanchez was "better" than Pedroza technically skilled, and would have beaten him is a bunch of GARBAGE. YOU GOT TO PROVE IT IN THE RING.

Really?

I thought, especially in your case, an article by Jim Trunzo regarding a fantasy fight would do...

[Borinken25]

Pedroza had 3 KO losses at the time when he was a bantamweight, not a featherweight. As a fool like you, I UNDERSTAND that you don't know the time nor the era, plus, what do you understand about boxing technique?

Pedroza whupped LaPorte and this one cried like a little BITCH. Then, Sanchez and Gomez and Nelson saw this, and did not want none of Pedroza. Gomez won the WBA Jr. Lightweight title and said tha he was going to give Pedroza, an exchampion at the time, a title shot. Where was the title shot, sir? I remember when he said that. Where is the title shot?

Nelson another one that ducked Pedroza when Pedroza called him to fight. If Nelson was so good, why he did not go for Pedroza for an unification match?

And Sanchez wanted Arguello? How about Pedroza? mmmmmmm NO. He is too skilled, too good and too tough.

Pedroza gotta be one of boxing's must ducked fighters of all-time.

At least Pedroza whupped LaPorte and made him his BITCH.

All that shit that Sanchez was "better" than Pedroza technically skilled, and would have beaten him is a bunch of GARBAGE. YOU GOT TO PROVE IT IN THE RING.

“Pedroza whupped LaPorte and this one cried like a little BITCH. Then, Sanchez and Gomez and Nelson saw this, and did not want none of Pedroza.”

All I can say is

“And Sanchez wanted Arguello?”

Are you trying to say that Pedroza was a better choice than Arguello? Again and again you prove how clueless you are of that era. Pedroza could not carry Arguello’s jockstrap. Arguello was not only better than Pedroza in every department but was a much better name and brought more money to the table. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

“Pedroza gotta be one of boxing's must ducked fighters of all-time”

You are wrong; the most ducked fighter of that era was Samuel Serrano. Your very own Pedroza ducked him many times as all the other champions did. Maybe you can help me; can you find a Jim Trunzo fantasy fight to back it up? You are the only one that can find such as fantasy.

“All that shit that Sanchez was "better" than Pedroza technically skilled, and would have beaten him is a bunch of GARBAGE. YOU GOT TO PROVE IT IN THE RING”


Are you suggesting that Pedroza was better than Sanchez? Why don’t you buy a ticket back to reality? I keep telling you stop hanging out with Bugs Bunny in fantasy Island it is seriously affecting you common sense and judgment. You need help.

[Arbachakov]

Elmer's statement of Gomez being flatfooted and straightup is laughable.

Gomez had some of the best footwork and upper-body movement of any fighter in the world at the time.

He was a monster and more highly regarded than sanchez or Pedroza by a considerably margin.

Hence why him losing to Sanchez in the manner he did was such a shock.

Gomez was a FOUL fighter.

When he fought in Puerto Rico,

he was given free license by the refs to foul to his heart's content.

The ending of his fight with Zarate is on youtube.

Gomez hits Zarate while he down--

and commits how many other fouls in the space of a few seconds?
.

I don't disagree he was exceptionally dirty.

Doesn't mean he also wasn't exceptionally skillful.