1st Americas Olympic Qualifier - 12-18 March

Povetkin · Post by **Povetkin** » 15 Mar 2008, 14:29

Light heavy Chrsistopher Downs beat the Cuban champ de la Cruz, after his win over Ismael Sillakh at the World Championships his second biggest win IMO.

lap · Post by **lap** » 15 Mar 2008, 15:20

boxmel wrote:Okay - thanks. Can you tell me why?

Matter of fairness, I guess, so that something as important as an olympic spot is always won in the ring. I see little downside to this.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 15 Mar 2008, 15:22

boxmel wrote:
Interesting. I had always thought the bronze medalists were those who lost in the semis and that the #3 was the guy who lost to the eventual gold medalist. Are they actually going to add another day/bout to have a box-off between the two losing semifinalists? I'm a bit confused.

They will fight on finals day. Last time out at the American qualifiers the one who lost to the gold medalist got the last spot. But in Europe they had to fight a Box-Off. I guess AIBA wanted to unite the system the same for everybody. I agree that it's much better to let them fight for it and not depend on two other boxers.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 15 Mar 2008, 15:25

Thanks - I don't have a problem with either way of deciding. Just was the first I've heard. May the best man win. 8)

lap · Post by **lap** » 15 Mar 2008, 19:53

Any result? I'm hoping to get info before leaving to catch Pacquio-Marquez.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 15 Mar 2008, 21:58

Quarterfinals
RESULTS
SESSION 7
SAT 15 MAR 2008 14:00 - AFTERNOON

Light 60 kg
ALI Sadam USA dec. Jesus Cuadaro, VEN, 11-16
Juan Cuellar, ARG dec. Francisco Vargas, MEX, 18-17
Yordanis Hernandez, CUB, dec. Jose Pedraza, PUR, 13-5
Everton Lopes, BRA, dec. Jhonathan Batista, DOM, 3-3 tiebreaker

Middle 75 kg
Carlos M. Gongora, ECU, stopped Kevin White, JAM, RSC-2
Shawn Estrada, USA, dec. Andrew Fermin, TRI, 9-7
Clarence Joseph, ISV, dec. Alex illares, COL, 23-2
Emilio B. Correa, CUB, dec. Ezequiel Maderna, ARG, 14-1

Heavy 91 kg
Sylvera Louis, CAN, dec. Javier Torres, MEX, 18-6
Osmai D. Acosta. CUB, dec. Anderson Emmanuel, BAR, 10-6
Dontay Wilder, USA, dec. Jorge T. Quinonez, 9-9 tiebreaker
Rafael Lima, BRA, dec. Edgar Munoz, VEN, 8-4.

EVENING SESSION RESULTS

Feather 57 kg
Luis Porozo Mina, ECU, dec. Miguel Marrero, PUR, 12-6
Roberto Navarro, DOM, dec. AMiguel Marriaga Teheran, COL, 16-9
Robson Conceicao, BRA, dec. Jesus Cuellar, ARG, 16-9
Idel Torriente, CUB, dec. Angel Rodriguez. VEN, 13-3

Light Welter 64 kg
Roniel Iglesias Sotolongo, CUB, stopped Luis Gonzalez, PUR, RSCOS-3
Javier Molina, USA, dec. Matthew Robinson, BAR, 14-3
Kevin Bizier, CAN, dec. Aaron Hassette. TRI, 18-7
Jhonny Sanchez, VEN, dec. Carlos Sanchez Stacio, ECU, 7-4

Super Heavy +91
Clayton Laurent. ISV, dec. Enoch Romeo, TRI, 14-10
Michael Hunter, USA, dec. Oscar Rivas Torres, COL, 11-4
Robert Alfonso Acea, CUB, dec. Andres Ruiz, MEX, 7-3
Jose Payares, VEN, over Damiam Sealy, BAR, WO

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 16 Mar 2008, 00:22

Thanks - I don't have a problem with either way of deciding. Just was the first I've heard. May the best man win.

I DO have a problem - it will effect USA's Javier Molina if he loses to Iglesias Sotolongo from Cuba Monday evening and Chris Downs, too. Wonder if that's a coincidence.

emile · Post by **emile** » 16 Mar 2008, 00:45

boxmel wrote:
Thanks - I don't have a problem with either way of deciding. Just was the first I've heard. May the best man win.
I DO have a problem - it will effect USA's Javier Molina if he loses to Iglesias Sotolongo from Cuba Monday evening and Chris Downs, too. Wonder if that's a coincidence.

It's obviously the better way to determine the third qualifier.

Wait a minute Mel. Did you reply to yourself just then?

:)

Povetkin · Post by **Povetkin** » 16 Mar 2008, 10:21

No real upsets here, Hunter continues to impress vs PanAm silver medallist Rivas, while Wilder still struggles.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 16 Mar 2008, 11:51

Said Emile -

Wait a minute Mel. Did you reply to yourself just then?

Sigh. Yes. Might be a better way to qualify, but will still impact two of the U.S. boxers. (Yes, I'm being nationalistic.) :(

emile · Post by **emile** » 17 Mar 2008, 19:20

Congrats to new Olympic qualifiers

48kg Eduard Bermudez VEN d Iran Perez CUB 29-8
48kg Jose Luis Meza ECU d Odilon Zaleta MEX 11-5

54kg Yankiel Leon CUB d Claudio Marrero DOM 12-1
54kg Oscar Valdez MEX d James Dean Pereira BRA 14-12

60kg Sadam Ali USA d Juan Cuellar ARG RSCOS3
60kg Yordanis Ugas CUB d Everton Lopes BRA 14-3

69kg Carlos Banteaux CUB d Oscar Molina MEX 19-4
69kg John Jackson ISV d Pedro Lima BRA 19-10

81kg Carlos Negron PUR d Washington Silva BRA 12-4
81kg Luis Gonzale VEN d Christopher Downs USA RSCOS2

(finals winner is only qualifier at this weight)
91+kg Michael Hunter USA d Clayton Laurent ISV 25-5
91+kg Robert Alfonso CUB d Jose Payares VEN 9-3

lap · Post by **lap** » 17 Mar 2008, 20:25

emile wrote:Congrats to new Olympic qualifiers

48kg Eduard Bermudez VEN d Iran Perez CUB 29-8
48kg Jose Luis Meza ECU d Odilon Zaleta MEX 11-5

54kg Yankiel Leon CUB d Claudio Marrero DOM 12-1
54kg Oscar Valdez MEX d James Dean Pereira BRA 14-12

60kg Sadam Ali USA d Juan Cuellar ARG RSCOS3
60kg Yordanis Ugas CUB d Everton Lopes BRA 14-3

69kg Carlos Banteaux CUB d Oscar Molina MEX 19-4
69kg John Jackson ISV d Pedro Lima BRA 19-10

81kg Carlos Negron PUR d Washington Silva BRA 12-4
81kg Luis Gonzale VEN d Christopher Downs USA RSCOS2

(finals winner is only qualifier at this weight)
91+kg Michael Hunter USA d Clayton Laurent ISV 25-5
91+kg Robert Alfonso CUB d Jose Payares VEN 9-3

Can't believe a guy can beat a Cuban and then get OUTSCORED in the second round (is that even right?) 3-4 days later .

Isn't the Lima loss a pretty big upset?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 17 Mar 2008, 20:51

69kg Carlos Banteaux CUB d Oscar Molina MEX 19-4

Unfortunately, Oscar must now go to Guatamala. :(

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 17 Mar 2008, 20:52

lap wrote:
emile wrote:Congrats to new Olympic qualifiers

48kg Eduard Bermudez VEN d Iran Perez CUB 29-8
48kg Jose Luis Meza ECU d Odilon Zaleta MEX 11-5

54kg Yankiel Leon CUB d Claudio Marrero DOM 12-1
54kg Oscar Valdez MEX d James Dean Pereira BRA 14-12

60kg Sadam Ali USA d Juan Cuellar ARG RSCOS3
60kg Yordanis Ugas CUB d Everton Lopes BRA 14-3

69kg Carlos Banteaux CUB d Oscar Molina MEX 19-4
69kg John Jackson ISV d Pedro Lima BRA 19-10

81kg Carlos Negron PUR d Washington Silva BRA 12-4
81kg Luis Gonzale VEN d Christopher Downs USA RSCOS2

(finals winner is only qualifier at this weight)
91+kg Michael Hunter USA d Clayton Laurent ISV 25-5
91+kg Robert Alfonso CUB d Jose Payares VEN 9-3
Can't believe a guy can beat a Cuban and then get OUTSCORED in the second round (is that even right?) 3-4 days later .

Isn't the Lima loss a pretty big upset?

Lima losing is definatly a big upset... esp. from a 19 year old from the Virgin Islands who seemingly came out of nowhere

Hopefully Hunter can pull out a win over Alfonso

emile · Post by **emile** » 17 Mar 2008, 21:00

boxmel wrote:
69kg Carlos Banteaux CUB d Oscar Molina MEX 19-4
Unfortunately, Oscar must now go to Venezuela.

Guatemala, no?

Jackson is only 19 - who knows, he might be the best fighter from the Virgin Islands since Julian Jackson (and their super heavy Clayton Manuel, who probably won't make Beijing is only 17). Jackson lost in the first round in Chicago, but only by 30-25 against Aliasker Bashirov.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 17 Mar 2008, 21:12

John Jackson is the son of Julian Jackson, as well as Julus who is also in the National Team of Virgin Islands. Julian is actually the coach.
Anyway I wasn't impressed by John last year so I agree it was a big upset that he beat experienced Lima.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 17 Mar 2008, 21:16

Hi, Emile - Guatamala, si! Sorry. I've got Venezuela on the brain.

One more question re the bronze box-off - were the bouts they had to B-O in Europe the same weight classes? And are they going to do the same with all 64 and 81 kg bronze medalists in the qualifiers?

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 17 Mar 2008, 22:08

The box-offs are because in some weights there are odd vacancies AFTER the World Championships. I'm sure it will happen in the other continents as well.

The Total Olympic Qualification vacancies for the Americas are 60 and after the World Championships there are 46 left.

48kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold, Silver, Bronze

51kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold, Silver

54kg
TRI: Gold, Silver

57kg
TRI: Gold, Silver,
GUA: Gold, Silver

60kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold, Silver, Bronze

64kg
TRI: Gold, Silver, Bronze
GUA: Gold, Silver, Bronze

69kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold, Silver

75kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold, Silve

81kg
TRI: Gold, Silver, Bronze
GUA: Gold, Silver, Bronze

91kg
TRI: Gold, Silver
GUA: Gold

+91kg
TRI: Gold
GUA: Gold, Silver

In the ones where there is one bronze medalist qualifying there will be a box-off so in Guatemala there will be box-offs at 48, 60, 64 and 81 kg.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 17 Mar 2008, 22:17

Thank you SO much! Glad I'm not too old to learn.

emile · Post by **emile** » 17 Mar 2008, 22:52

51kg
Juan Carlos Payano DOM d Jose Manual Saant ECU RSCOS2
Andry Laffita CUB d Braulio Avila MEX 4-4+

57kg
Luis Enrique Porozo ECU d Roberto Navarro DOM 12-2
Idel Torriente CUB d Robson Conceicao BRA 18-6

64kg
Roniel Iglesias CUB d Javier Molina USA 10-4
Jhonny Sanchez VEN d Kevin Bizier CAN RSCOS3

75kg
Carlos Gongora ECU d Shawn Estrada USA 13-3
Emilio Correa CUB d Clarence Joseph ISV 16-2

91kg
Osmay Acosta CUB d Sylvera Louis CAN 9-1
Deontay Wilder USA d Rafael Lima BRA 6-5

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 17 Mar 2008, 23:02

emile wrote:51kg
Juan Carlos Payano DOM d Jose Manual Saant ECU RSCOS2
Andry Laffita CUB d Braulio Avila MEX 4-4+

57kg
Luis Enrique Porozo ECU d Roberto Navarro DOM 12-2
Idel Torriente CUB d Robson Conceicao BRA 18-6

64kg
Roniel Iglesias CUB d Javier Molina USA 10-4
Jhonny Sanchez VEN d Kevin Bizier CAN RSCOS3

75kg
Carlos Gongora ECU d Shawn Estrada USA 13-3
Emilio Correa CUB d Clarence Joseph ISV 16-2

91kg
Osmay Acosta CUB d Sylvera Louis CAN 9-1
Deontay Wilder USA d Rafael Lima BRA 6-5

Deontay qualifing here i felt was needed, rather than to have him win the next one.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 18 Mar 2008, 09:16

Deontay qualifing here i felt was needed, rather than to have him win the next one.

In either scenario he would be going to the Olympics; having him win in T&T takes the pressure off, that's for sure. Now we just have to hope that Molina and Downs Bronze today - leaving Estrada the lone U.S. boxer in Guatamala.

emile · Post by **emile** » 18 Mar 2008, 10:46

Seems like a very good showing for Ecuador - I don't remember them being much of a factor in the amateurs recently. Also good showing by the Virgin Islands - Julian Jackson seems to be doing some good for them.

Bit of a disaster for Brazil, but they are positioned to clean up a whole bunch of places in Guatemala.

lap · Post by **lap** » 18 Mar 2008, 13:18

emile wrote:
64kg
Jhonny Sanchez VEN d Kevin Bizier CAN RSCOS3

No idea what happenend to Bizier there.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 18 Mar 2008, 14:33

The US boxers are doing very well.