Irish World Champion, will they? won't they?
Murray Management, stick this in yer pipe and smoke it!
Oi Gobshite!
As far as I remember Apollo had a big mouth and talked a load of crap but couldn't back any of it up with any substance, is that why you chose his name?
I would be interested to know what your reasons are for saying that Murray made a mistake coming to be managed by me. When I signed him up Irish boxing was dead, there were hardly any shows, if he'd have stayed in Ireland he'd probably now be 3&0. I got him more fights than most of the other new Irish pro's so advanced his career further than their's and also got him a fair bit of sponsorship and exposure ie his pro debut live on Sky.
Even as recently as last year I had to take a significant loss in order to get him fighting an 8 rounder so that he could go on to fight for the Irish title. He's had more than his fair share of injuries broken bones & cuts etc etc but there is not a lot that I could do about that.
As soon as boxing started to take off again in Ireland thanks to Brian Peters I got him the right opponents and delayed television slots straight away which is the best that a novice pro can realistically hope for.
I don't think that James Gorman is the kind of fighter to diliberately use his head even if he is a little crude sometimes when he comes forward (which is most of the time).
So come on wise guy, lets hear what I should have done differently, Kind regards, Mickey Helliet.
As far as I remember Apollo had a big mouth and talked a load of crap but couldn't back any of it up with any substance, is that why you chose his name?
I would be interested to know what your reasons are for saying that Murray made a mistake coming to be managed by me. When I signed him up Irish boxing was dead, there were hardly any shows, if he'd have stayed in Ireland he'd probably now be 3&0. I got him more fights than most of the other new Irish pro's so advanced his career further than their's and also got him a fair bit of sponsorship and exposure ie his pro debut live on Sky.
Even as recently as last year I had to take a significant loss in order to get him fighting an 8 rounder so that he could go on to fight for the Irish title. He's had more than his fair share of injuries broken bones & cuts etc etc but there is not a lot that I could do about that.
As soon as boxing started to take off again in Ireland thanks to Brian Peters I got him the right opponents and delayed television slots straight away which is the best that a novice pro can realistically hope for.
I don't think that James Gorman is the kind of fighter to diliberately use his head even if he is a little crude sometimes when he comes forward (which is most of the time).
So come on wise guy, lets hear what I should have done differently, Kind regards, Mickey Helliet.
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ApolloCreed
- Heavyweight
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Keep your knickers on, there was no offence intended.
I watched the guy as an amateur and was convinced he'd make an impact as a pro, then he slipped off Apollo's radar until popping up again lately...
My point was that the move to London maybe wasn't the best idea after all, but of course I'm not completely in the know...
What other fighters do you have on your books?
I watched the guy as an amateur and was convinced he'd make an impact as a pro, then he slipped off Apollo's radar until popping up again lately...
My point was that the move to London maybe wasn't the best idea after all, but of course I'm not completely in the know...
What other fighters do you have on your books?
Lol, I'm not that offended, Apollo, just felt the comment was partly unjustified, when Andy turned pro our plan was to get him on the Sports Network shows and then get him on my dinner shows in between just to keep him active and to get him to 15 & 0 without taking any major risks.
Like I said in the previous post the main causes for the delays in his career have been injuries. The fact that he is an Irish ticket seller makes it hard to get him on open shows in the UK but it seems, that is behind us now that Brian Peters is running regular big shows, I also spoke to Dennis Hobson who was keen to promote in Ireland although I'm not sure if he is still going ahead with his plans. In any case we're perfectly happy with Brian.
Anyway in answer to your question I currently manage about 20 other boxers including Ruben Groenewald, Joey Vegas, Sam Horton, Wayne Alwan...
Like I said in the previous post the main causes for the delays in his career have been injuries. The fact that he is an Irish ticket seller makes it hard to get him on open shows in the UK but it seems, that is behind us now that Brian Peters is running regular big shows, I also spoke to Dennis Hobson who was keen to promote in Ireland although I'm not sure if he is still going ahead with his plans. In any case we're perfectly happy with Brian.
Anyway in answer to your question I currently manage about 20 other boxers including Ruben Groenewald, Joey Vegas, Sam Horton, Wayne Alwan...
Let's hope Hobson goes through with it as more shows in Ireland is always good news. It seems initially he had something to do with the McCullough bill that was aborted but then it seemed a Pat Magee show.Mickey H wrote:I also spoke to Dennis Hobson who was keen to promote in Ireland although I'm not sure if he is still going ahead with his plans
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Apollo was right to a certain degree - the move to St. Albans - no matter how nice a town or how well intentioned was a disaster - if that was your decision then be a man and hold yer hauns up and admit it.Mickey H wrote:Lol, I'm not that offended, Apollo, just felt the comment was partly unjustified, when Andy turned pro our plan was to get him on the Sports Network shows and then get him on my dinner shows in between just to keep him active and to get him to 15 & 0 without taking any major risks.
Like I said in the previous post the main causes for the delays in his career have been injuries. The fact that he is an Irish ticket seller makes it hard to get him on open shows in the UK but it seems, that is behind us now that Brian Peters is running regular big shows, I also spoke to Dennis Hobson who was keen to promote in Ireland although I'm not sure if he is still going ahead with his plans. In any case we're perfectly happy with Brian.
Anyway in answer to your question I currently manage about 20 other boxers including Ruben Groenewald, Joey Vegas, Sam Horton, Wayne Alwan...
Over a year inactive for a boxer of that age and at that level is embarassing. Anyway he is back in Cavan know and hopefully will things are on the up for him and that he can get more fights.
And before you start screamin - I am a Murray fan and infact I wrote his wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Murray_%28boxer%29
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ApolloCreed
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 03 Mar 2008, 13:42
I though that myself S Bhoy but I'm not that well informed on the guy to be honest, I just always kept an eye on him because when I saw him beating Monteith the first time, I said to m yself "this fella could go a long way", then he disappeared and when he came back against Gorman he wasn't AS impressive (albeit at an unsuitable weight).
I think he'd handle McDonagh at lightweight, as would Haughian.
The latter is a seriously underrated fighter in my opinion...
Again, I've been away from the scene for a wee while so I'm not as clued in as I used to be
I think he'd handle McDonagh at lightweight, as would Haughian.
The latter is a seriously underrated fighter in my opinion...
Again, I've been away from the scene for a wee while so I'm not as clued in as I used to be
Sligobhoy, the year out had nothing to do with St. Albans. At no stage did we choose to take him there because we thought it was a nice town! When Andrew first turned pro there was virtually no pro boxing in Ireland. We discussed the situation and decided to base him in England so that he could get regular bouts in the early stages of his career because he clearly was not going to get them in Ireland.
The year of inactivity was caused mainly by injuries such as a bad cut (caused by a blatant head butt) and a broken bone from a freak sparring injury- thats just boxing. What was I supposed to do? Tell him "Yeah Andy I know the stitches are still in and your hands swolen like a balloon but you haven't boxed for six months so it would be really cool if you'd just take this fight anyway"??? There were fights there for the taking but for one reason or another he was not able to take the fights hence the inactivity.
I just want him to box wherever he can make the most money and get the best experience possible with the right fights at the right time (which at that moment in time was in England). It makes no difference to me where he boxes so long as it is the best deal for him. As well as England I have boxers in France, Sweden, Denmark, Ukraine, Roumania, Ireland and Uganda, it makes no difference to me where they box so long as they are getting the best deal available to them.
Sorry to go off on one! But it's the easiest thing in the world to sit back take pot shots at the manager. As it is Andrew is Irish Champion, he's undefeated and has his destiny in his own hands which is exactly where we wanted him to be!
He has a bright future ahead of him and I'd keep a close eye on him in 2008 because of all the prospects currently coming through, I've got a feeling he might turn out to be one of the better ones, time will tell!
The year of inactivity was caused mainly by injuries such as a bad cut (caused by a blatant head butt) and a broken bone from a freak sparring injury- thats just boxing. What was I supposed to do? Tell him "Yeah Andy I know the stitches are still in and your hands swolen like a balloon but you haven't boxed for six months so it would be really cool if you'd just take this fight anyway"??? There were fights there for the taking but for one reason or another he was not able to take the fights hence the inactivity.
I just want him to box wherever he can make the most money and get the best experience possible with the right fights at the right time (which at that moment in time was in England). It makes no difference to me where he boxes so long as it is the best deal for him. As well as England I have boxers in France, Sweden, Denmark, Ukraine, Roumania, Ireland and Uganda, it makes no difference to me where they box so long as they are getting the best deal available to them.
Sorry to go off on one! But it's the easiest thing in the world to sit back take pot shots at the manager. As it is Andrew is Irish Champion, he's undefeated and has his destiny in his own hands which is exactly where we wanted him to be!
He has a bright future ahead of him and I'd keep a close eye on him in 2008 because of all the prospects currently coming through, I've got a feeling he might turn out to be one of the better ones, time will tell!
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Fair enough - however, I saw nothing about his injuries in the media and his website never seemed to be ever updated - EVER! also a cut over the eye and a injured hand even if one happens the day after the other heels (concurrently, to you and I!) then I would be surprised if that would keep him out for a year - but you never know what complications there were - but then again that comes down to you Michael - if you dont communicate with the public then how is anyone supposed to know anything.Mickey H wrote:Sligobhoy, the year out had nothing to do with St. Albans. At no stage did we choose to take him there because we thought it was a nice town! When Andrew first turned pro there was virtually no pro boxing in Ireland. We discussed the situation and decided to base him in England so that he could get regular bouts in the early stages of his career because he clearly was not going to get them in Ireland.
The year of inactivity was caused mainly by injuries such as a bad cut (caused by a blatant head butt) and a broken bone from a freak sparring injury- thats just boxing. What was I supposed to do? Tell him "Yeah Andy I know the stitches are still in and your hands swolen like a balloon but you haven't boxed for six months so it would be really cool if you'd just take this fight anyway"??? There were fights there for the taking but for one reason or another he was not able to take the fights hence the inactivity.
I just want him to box wherever he can make the most money and get the best experience possible with the right fights at the right time (which at that moment in time was in England). It makes no difference to me where he boxes so long as it is the best deal for him. As well as England I have boxers in France, Sweden, Denmark, Ukraine, Roumania, Ireland and Uganda, it makes no difference to me where they box so long as they are getting the best deal available to them.
Sorry to go off on one! But it's the easiest thing in the world to sit back take pot shots at the manager. As it is Andrew is Irish Champion, he's undefeated and has his destiny in his own hands which is exactly where we wanted him to be!
He has a bright future ahead of him and I'd keep a close eye on him in 2008 because of all the prospects currently coming through, I've got a feeling he might turn out to be one of the better ones, time will tell!
Also if you wanted to take him out of Ireland because there was no boxing why take him to St. Albans and not Staten Island!!
p.s. just checked his website again and it aint been updated in near TWO YEARS!!!! http://www.andymurrayjunior.com/
Also I sent you an email from through that website over a year ago asking what was going on with Andy and how he was getting on - still waiting for a response!!
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TerribleTerry
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 29 Aug 2003, 12:30
Good win for US based Irishman James Moore in NY last night. Candelo is a decent name to have on his ledger. I remember Moore from his time in the vest boxing for Ireland and whilst he was exciting and popular I never realy thought he would do particulalry well as a pro - fair play to him though he is following the 'Duddy path'..
Good wins also for Oisin Fagan and Simon O’Donnell on the undercard
http://www.fightnews.com/1527.htm
Unbeaten junior middleweight James Moore, a native of County Wicklow, Ireland, who fights out of Queens, New York, took a big step forward by winning a hard fought unanimous decision over veteran J.C. Candelo of Colombia at Madison Square Garden’s WaMu Theater.
The two-way action by both fighters brought the pro-Moore crowd to its feet on many occasions. Moore, now 15-0 (10 KOs), was hurt by a right uppercut in the third round. Both fighters landed thunderous punches during many spirited exchanges and received a standing ovation at the end.
Candelo saw his record dip to 27-10-4 (18 KOs) when the scores of 97-92, 97-93 and 95-94 were announced.
“He’s a crafty veteran who exploited my mistakes,” said Moore. “This was the kind of challenge I needed to get to the next level. I’m only going to get better by fighting veterans like this. I don’t want easy fights because this is not an easy business.”
Candelo, who initially took the microphone and yelled, “You judges bleeping suck,” later called Moore a “gentleman who doesn’t talk bleep” and said, “I got respect for him. This was his first step-up fight. He fought for his crowd and did what he was supposed to do.”
Good wins also for Oisin Fagan and Simon O’Donnell on the undercard
http://www.fightnews.com/1527.htm
Unbeaten junior middleweight James Moore, a native of County Wicklow, Ireland, who fights out of Queens, New York, took a big step forward by winning a hard fought unanimous decision over veteran J.C. Candelo of Colombia at Madison Square Garden’s WaMu Theater.
The two-way action by both fighters brought the pro-Moore crowd to its feet on many occasions. Moore, now 15-0 (10 KOs), was hurt by a right uppercut in the third round. Both fighters landed thunderous punches during many spirited exchanges and received a standing ovation at the end.
Candelo saw his record dip to 27-10-4 (18 KOs) when the scores of 97-92, 97-93 and 95-94 were announced.
“He’s a crafty veteran who exploited my mistakes,” said Moore. “This was the kind of challenge I needed to get to the next level. I’m only going to get better by fighting veterans like this. I don’t want easy fights because this is not an easy business.”
Candelo, who initially took the microphone and yelled, “You judges bleeping suck,” later called Moore a “gentleman who doesn’t talk bleep” and said, “I got respect for him. This was his first step-up fight. He fought for his crowd and did what he was supposed to do.”
Article for Andrew Murray V James Gorman, on the Macklin-Campas undercard.
http://www.britishboxing.net/news_3251- ... rview.html
http://www.britishboxing.net/news_3251- ... rview.html
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Candelo appears to have about as much class as a rat with a gold tooth!!TerribleTerry wrote:Good win for US based Irishman James Moore in NY last night. Candelo is a decent name to have on his ledger. I remember Moore from his time in the vest boxing for Ireland and whilst he was exciting and popular I never realy thought he would do particulalry well as a pro - fair play to him though he is following the 'Duddy path'..
Good wins also for Oisin Fagan and Simon O’Donnell on the undercard
http://www.fightviews.com/1527.htm
Unbeaten junior middleweight James Moore, a native of County Wicklow, Ireland, who fights out of Queens, New York, took a big step forward by winning a hard fought unanimous decision over veteran J.C. Candelo of Colombia at Madison Square Garden’s WaMu Theater.
The two-way action by both fighters brought the pro-Moore crowd to its feet on many occasions. Moore, now 15-0 (10 KOs), was hurt by a right uppercut in the third round. Both fighters landed thunderous punches during many spirited exchanges and received a standing ovation at the end.
Candelo saw his record dip to 27-10-4 (18 KOs) when the scores of 97-92, 97-93 and 95-94 were announced.
“He’s a crafty veteran who exploited my mistakes,” said Moore. “This was the kind of challenge I needed to get to the next level. I’m only going to get better by fighting veterans like this. I don’t want easy fights because this is not an easy business.”
Candelo, who initially took the microphone and yelled, “You judges bleeping suck,” later called Moore a “gentleman who doesn’t talk bleep” and said, “I got respect for him. This was his first step-up fight. He fought for his crowd and did what he was supposed to do.”
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ApolloCreed
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 03 Mar 2008, 13:42
Good article here on Saturday night
Murray ready to dig deep again
19 March 2008
By Brendan Mooney
HAD Andrew Murray taken the medical advice offered him, he would never have donned a pair of boxing gloves. But, do date, he has won three national senior titles as an amateur and, as a professional, holds the Irish light welterweight belt.
His early years were blighted by Perthes disease, a degenerative hip condition that left him wheelchair bound for extended periods. However, the young Cavan lad was transfixed by the epic battles between the likes of Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn on his TV screen and he was desperate to step between the ropes himself.
Such ambitions, however, were discouraged by his doctor, who insisted if he boxed, he would end up crippled for life before he was 20. The determined youngster ignored his advice and joined Cavan Boxing Club. Now 25, Murray is unbeaten in nine pro fights and a reigning Irish champion.
He will put his light welterweight title on the line next week against Belfast’s James Gorman on the Ladbrokes.com Fight Night at the National Stadium in Dublin. The contest is the chief supporting bout to the clash between Irish middleweight champ Matthew Macklin and former World Champion Yori Boy Campas.
Murray though will be determined to steal the spotlight in his Irish title rematch with Gorman. The two men clashed for the first time last December when they met at the Kings Hall. Murray won but he wasn’t particularly satisfied at the outcome, given the circumstances of the win.
A clash of heads left Murray with a nasty gash over his right eye and unable to continue in the fourth round. Under Boxing Union of Ireland rules, the decision went to the referee’s scorecard and Murray was awarded the win. But he admits it was something of a hollow victory.
“When you win, you want to win in style, so to win the way I did took a bit of the shine off it,” said Murray.
“You never want to win a fight on cuts so I still don’t class myself as the champion yet. Hopefully, I can beat Gorman in Dublin and leave no doubts this time around.”
His amateur coach Brian McKeown, who coaches Olympic qualifier John Joe Nevin in the Cavan club, remembers Murray’s first day in the gym as an 11 year old.
“He was tall and gangly and you could see he clearly had a problem with his leg. He didn’t strike me as being special but what soon became apparent was how determined and dedicated he was. He actually lost his first fight but by the end of that season he was an Irish champion and he went on to win another three titles on the trot. In fact he was unbeaten for four and a half years in the amateurs.”
Murray took some impressive scalps in the unpaid ranks including current British Light Middleweight champion, Gary Woolcombe, who he stopped in two rounds. He also beat former British title challengers Femi Fehintola and Ricky Burns, as well as English amateur star Michael Grant.
After the disappointment of failing to qualify for the Athens Olympics in 2004, Murray decided to switch to the pro ranks and relocate to London under manager Michael Helliet.
“Andrew’s problem since going pro is that he’s been too good for his own good,” said McKeown.
“He’s sparred the best in the UK in the gyms there and everyone there knows how good he is so nobody wants to fight him. Thankfully the professional boxing scene is very healthy in Ireland now so Andrew has a chance to make a name for himself back at home again.
“Andrew’s a real inspiration for all the kids boxing in Cavan,” said McKeown. “He’s out running at 5am, into work for 7am and then he trains at the gym in the evening.
“He’s very popular in the area and travels around all the clubs here giving training sessions and helping out wherever he’s needed. You never want to look too far ahead but I think over the next 12–18 months with the right fights Andrew can start fulfilling the potential we all know he has.”
Murray ready to dig deep again
19 March 2008
By Brendan Mooney
HAD Andrew Murray taken the medical advice offered him, he would never have donned a pair of boxing gloves. But, do date, he has won three national senior titles as an amateur and, as a professional, holds the Irish light welterweight belt.
His early years were blighted by Perthes disease, a degenerative hip condition that left him wheelchair bound for extended periods. However, the young Cavan lad was transfixed by the epic battles between the likes of Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn on his TV screen and he was desperate to step between the ropes himself.
Such ambitions, however, were discouraged by his doctor, who insisted if he boxed, he would end up crippled for life before he was 20. The determined youngster ignored his advice and joined Cavan Boxing Club. Now 25, Murray is unbeaten in nine pro fights and a reigning Irish champion.
He will put his light welterweight title on the line next week against Belfast’s James Gorman on the Ladbrokes.com Fight Night at the National Stadium in Dublin. The contest is the chief supporting bout to the clash between Irish middleweight champ Matthew Macklin and former World Champion Yori Boy Campas.
Murray though will be determined to steal the spotlight in his Irish title rematch with Gorman. The two men clashed for the first time last December when they met at the Kings Hall. Murray won but he wasn’t particularly satisfied at the outcome, given the circumstances of the win.
A clash of heads left Murray with a nasty gash over his right eye and unable to continue in the fourth round. Under Boxing Union of Ireland rules, the decision went to the referee’s scorecard and Murray was awarded the win. But he admits it was something of a hollow victory.
“When you win, you want to win in style, so to win the way I did took a bit of the shine off it,” said Murray.
“You never want to win a fight on cuts so I still don’t class myself as the champion yet. Hopefully, I can beat Gorman in Dublin and leave no doubts this time around.”
His amateur coach Brian McKeown, who coaches Olympic qualifier John Joe Nevin in the Cavan club, remembers Murray’s first day in the gym as an 11 year old.
“He was tall and gangly and you could see he clearly had a problem with his leg. He didn’t strike me as being special but what soon became apparent was how determined and dedicated he was. He actually lost his first fight but by the end of that season he was an Irish champion and he went on to win another three titles on the trot. In fact he was unbeaten for four and a half years in the amateurs.”
Murray took some impressive scalps in the unpaid ranks including current British Light Middleweight champion, Gary Woolcombe, who he stopped in two rounds. He also beat former British title challengers Femi Fehintola and Ricky Burns, as well as English amateur star Michael Grant.
After the disappointment of failing to qualify for the Athens Olympics in 2004, Murray decided to switch to the pro ranks and relocate to London under manager Michael Helliet.
“Andrew’s problem since going pro is that he’s been too good for his own good,” said McKeown.
“He’s sparred the best in the UK in the gyms there and everyone there knows how good he is so nobody wants to fight him. Thankfully the professional boxing scene is very healthy in Ireland now so Andrew has a chance to make a name for himself back at home again.
“Andrew’s a real inspiration for all the kids boxing in Cavan,” said McKeown. “He’s out running at 5am, into work for 7am and then he trains at the gym in the evening.
“He’s very popular in the area and travels around all the clubs here giving training sessions and helping out wherever he’s needed. You never want to look too far ahead but I think over the next 12–18 months with the right fights Andrew can start fulfilling the potential we all know he has.”