Can Hatton ever train as hard....

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 19 Mar 2008, 10:06

As he did in preparation for Mayweather?

I mean, Ricky appeared to put everything he had int o training camp, & having lost to Floyd, will he be able to recapture the extra motivation he must have had in the months & weeks leading up to the bout with Floyd?

Personally, I don't think Ricky will ever be able to train as hard, put as much effort into his preparation, as he did for Floyd. Mentally, there's no way he could.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 19 Mar 2008, 10:08

This is what Iw as saying the other day when asked if I was going to Lazcano. No, simply because I think we've seen the best of Ricky Hatton, and I just cant see how he can be as sharp as he was for the fight with Mayweather again.

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 19 Mar 2008, 10:50

That might have been the problem, to much work the signs have been there for some time, Theres a thread about his elbows I found of interest, His idea of Body maintainance isnt to clever.

sharpei_louis · Post by **sharpei_louis** » 19 Mar 2008, 11:14

Especially considering the £15m or whatever the figure was that he took from the fight. Don't think I'd bother, looking in the mirror with three stone to lose and fighting Lazcano when I had more flooding in in interest than I currently earn in a year!

STP · Post by **STP** » 19 Mar 2008, 12:03

How do you know he trained any harder than any other boxer trains all-year-round? All I saw was physical aggression and noise in the small clips, which is quite useless, really.

tony3 · Post by **tony3** » 19 Mar 2008, 12:56

His biggest challenge might be melting himself back down to 140 because I thought he looked bone dry at full welter.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 19 Mar 2008, 13:22

Who cares if he trains as hard as he ever could or not, HE HAS BEEN EXPOSED AS THE LIMITED & LUCKY BUM HE IS.

The problem with Vicky is him & his camp don't have the know how to train SMART.......all the body bags, grunting, leg presses and crap sparring don't mean sh!t against the elite.

And the idiot on this thread who said Vicky was sharp in there against PBF knows nothing about boxing.

VICKY HATTON IS THE DEFINITION OF A PALOOKA!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Mar 2008, 13:23

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 19 Mar 2008, 13:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Iv'e seen your photo mate, get your neck in BOY.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 19 Mar 2008, 13:46

StepinFetchit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Iv'e seen your photo mate, get your neck in BOY.

You sad, sad person, I wish you would just go away. You make no contribution to this forum whatsoever. Over 200 childish, abusive nonsense posts aimed at fighters and decent posters who do know something about the sport. What are you, a nasty aggressive teenager with time on your hands because no one will employ you. Get a life and do something useful.

StepinFetchit · Post by **StepinFetchit** » 19 Mar 2008, 13:47

WildWaylon wrote:
StepinFetchit wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Iv'e seen your photo mate, get your neck in BOY.
You sad, sad person, I wish you would just go away. You make no contribution to this forum whatsoever. Over 200 childish, abusive nonsense posts aimed at fighters and decent posters who do know something about the sport. What are you, a nasty aggressive teenager with time on your hands because no one will employ you. Get a life and do something useful.

WRONG on every point.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 19 Mar 2008, 15:05

To get to the physical level he was only 6months ago, doesnt take that much effort. He still has aprox the same physical ability he had 6months ago under those rolls of fat once he does 2months of peaking training.

Will Hatton need to be at his peak to beat the likes of Lazcanno? NO. Mailgnaggi at Maddison Square is something to get up for and Hatton would be the overwhelming faveourate after Malignaggis gift against Ngoudjo

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 19 Mar 2008, 15:11

Wales wrote:This is what Iw as saying the other day when asked if I was going to Lazcano. No, simply because I think we've seen the best of Ricky Hatton, and I just cant see how he can be as sharp as he was for the fight with Mayweather again.

he was not sharp for mayweather, hatton peaked before the kostya fight !!!

matko · Post by **matko** » 19 Mar 2008, 15:35

its in hatton as a fighter too train hard, it will be hard for him to not train as hard, i think if i was boxing after coming off a loss i would want to be in tremendous shape

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 19 Mar 2008, 15:49

dont write him off. he lost to the best in the world and fought poorly in doing so. i think hatton will quit before he starts turning up not in shape.
its the mental side that will need careful prep.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 19 Mar 2008, 15:51

TBH I think Hatton will have a harder job getting mentally prepared. He couldnt see himself ever losing before PBF but now he knows losing is a possibility I see him being far more cautious. Lazcano isnt comming just to lose, and I dont see Hatton winning, being a forgone conclusion. He probably will but not in a very convincing way. The best of Hatton was pre Tszu.

sharpei_louis · Post by **sharpei_louis** » 19 Mar 2008, 17:07

Hatton needs a bit of fear of losing so that he kind of boxes as opposed to charging forwards and spoiling his own stuff. I know he gets a bad rap for holding, but his better work is boxing in and out and pressuring in bursts. Think he'll be up for it but don't like hearing talk of the end of his career etc, nto when there's 3-5 fights yet to be made.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Mar 2008, 17:12

Rocky Balboa wrote:As he did in preparation for Mayweather?

I mean, Ricky appeared to put everything he had int o training camp, & having lost to Floyd, will he be able to recapture the extra motivation he must have had in the months & weeks leading up to the bout with Floyd?

Personally, I don't think Ricky will ever be able to train as hard, put as much effort into his preparation, as he did for Floyd. Mentally, there's no way he could.

No way! 3 reasons!

1) Hatton is very rich now

2 He was mashed down - destroyed like a sparring partner. Did he even hit PBF?

3) He cried like a woman ( his own words ) for weeks after the fight - he is broken.

First decent fighter he meets will feast on his carcass.

(Hence why he won't fight......WITTER!)

tony3 · Post by **tony3** » 19 Mar 2008, 17:16

WildWaylon wrote:TBH I think Hatton will have a harder job getting mentally prepared. He couldnt see himself ever losing before PBF but now he knows losing is a possibility I see him being far more cautious. Lazcano isnt comming just to lose, and I dont see Hatton winning, being a forgone conclusion. He probably will but not in a very convincing way. The best of Hatton was pre Tszu.

I agree. Not long ago I revisited the Hatton DVD (the sports network one) and he used to fight like a man possessed and there wasn't nearly as much of the 'hitting and holding' that seems to have crept into most of his post Tszyu career.

Personally, I think that things started to go pear shaped for Hatton before FM. Although he got off to a flying start against Luis Collazo, he was made to look very ordinary towards the end of the bout and was very lucky to get the W in my opinion.
In retrospect, it was much like De La Hoya V Felix Sturm - a stern warning that he was operating in a division to which his body did not belong. Then of course mirroring Oscar's fate against B Hop, when Hatton faced the cream of that division he was decisively knocked out.

However Hatton has yet to lose at 140 and maybe it is a factor that will be
a psychological cushion when he faces Lazcano but I think this will be one of the hardest fights in his career. If Hatton didn't think that he was able to motivate himself into training properly, I'm not sure his vanity would have permitted him to continue boxing at all.

tony3 · Post by **tony3** » 19 Mar 2008, 17:38

Sorry for double posting but something else I forgot to add.

How Hatton comes back from defeat depends on how heavily he depended on the 'aura' of being undefeated.

Fighters like Tyson, Naz and Don Curry were ruined by professional defeat (although Curry might just have been burnt out after amassing a pretty incredible 400-4 amateur record before turning pro).

But for others like Benn, Lewis and of course Ali, losing just presented them with motivation to bring out the best in themselves.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Mar 2008, 17:51

tony3 wrote:
WildWaylon wrote:TBH I think Hatton will have a harder job getting mentally prepared. He couldnt see himself ever losing before PBF but now he knows losing is a possibility I see him being far more cautious. Lazcano isnt comming just to lose, and I dont see Hatton winning, being a forgone conclusion. He probably will but not in a very convincing way. The best of Hatton was pre Tszu.
I agree. Not long ago I revisited the Hatton DVD (the sports network one) and he used to fight like a man possessed and there wasn't nearly as much of the 'hitting and holding' that seems to have crept into most of his post Tszyu career.

Personally, I think that things started to go pear shaped for Hatton before FM. Although he got off to a flying start against Luis Collazo, he was made to look very ordinary towards the end of the bout and was very lucky to get the W in my opinion.
In retrospect, it was much like De La Hoya V Felix Sturm - a stern warning that he was operating in a division to which his body did not belong. Then of course mirroring Oscar's fate against B Hop, when Hatton faced the cream of that division he was decisively knocked out.

However Hatton has yet to lose at 140 and maybe it is a factor that will be
a psychological cushion when he faces Lazcano but I think this will be one of the hardest fights in his career. If Hatton didn't think that he was able to motivate himself into training properly, I'm not sure his vanity would have permitted him to continue boxing at all.

Hatton outweghted PBF by about 7lbs on the night.

SKILLS BEAT HIM - THE WEIGHT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

HATTON NEEDS TO BE BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN IS OPPONENT TO WIN.

BUT THIS TIME.....that was not enough.

Hattons beaten...

DOWN

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Mar 2008, 18:01

DG. wrote:
tony3 wrote:
WildWaylon wrote:TBH I think Hatton will have a harder job getting mentally prepared. He couldnt see himself ever losing before PBF but now he knows losing is a possibility I see him being far more cautious. Lazcano isnt comming just to lose, and I dont see Hatton winning, being a forgone conclusion. He probably will but not in a very convincing way. The best of Hatton was pre Tszu.
I agree. Not long ago I revisited the Hatton DVD (the sports network one) and he used to fight like a man possessed and there wasn't nearly as much of the 'hitting and holding' that seems to have crept into most of his post Tszyu career.

Personally, I think that things started to go pear shaped for Hatton before FM. Although he got off to a flying start against Luis Collazo, he was made to look very ordinary towards the end of the bout and was very lucky to get the W in my opinion.
In retrospect, it was much like De La Hoya V Felix Sturm - a stern warning that he was operating in a division to which his body did not belong. Then of course mirroring Oscar's fate against B Hop, when Hatton faced the cream of that division he was decisively knocked out.

However Hatton has yet to lose at 140 and maybe it is a factor that will be
a psychological cushion when he faces Lazcano but I think this will be one of the hardest fights in his career. If Hatton didn't think that he was able to motivate himself into training properly, I'm not sure his vanity would have permitted him to continue boxing at all.

Hatton outweghted PBF by about 7lbs on the night.

SKILLS BEAT HIM - THE WEIGHT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

HATTON NEEDS TO BE BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN IS OPPONENT TO WIN.

BUT THIS TIME.....that was not enough.

Hattons beaten...

DOWN

Did he though? I seem to recall they weighed pretty much the same on fight night. Floyd came in around 150 didn't he was it 152?

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Mar 2008, 18:07

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
DG. wrote:
tony3 wrote: I agree. Not long ago I revisited the Hatton DVD (the sports network one) and he used to fight like a man possessed and there wasn't nearly as much of the 'hitting and holding' that seems to have crept into most of his post Tszyu career.

Personally, I think that things started to go pear shaped for Hatton before FM. Although he got off to a flying start against Luis Collazo, he was made to look very ordinary towards the end of the bout and was very lucky to get the W in my opinion.
In retrospect, it was much like De La Hoya V Felix Sturm - a stern warning that he was operating in a division to which his body did not belong. Then of course mirroring Oscar's fate against B Hop, when Hatton faced the cream of that division he was decisively knocked out.

However Hatton has yet to lose at 140 and maybe it is a factor that will be
a psychological cushion when he faces Lazcano but I think this will be one of the hardest fights in his career. If Hatton didn't think that he was able to motivate himself into training properly, I'm not sure his vanity would have permitted him to continue boxing at all.

Hatton outweghted PBF by about 7lbs on the night.

SKILLS BEAT HIM - THE WEIGHT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

HATTON NEEDS TO BE BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN IS OPPONENT TO WIN.

BUT THIS TIME.....that was not enough.

Hattons beaten...

DOWN

Did he though? I seem to recall they weighed pretty much the same on fight night. Floyd came in around 150 didn't he was it 152?

PBF came in at 148 to Hattons 155 - I will try and find it!

PBF weights 11st in his clothes.

tony3 · Post by **tony3** » 19 Mar 2008, 18:17

Hatton's certainly got a bit to prove now, if he can get past Lazcano in style, we'll know that there might be a bit of mileage left still.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Mar 2008, 18:29

tony3 wrote:
DG. wrote: Hatton outweghted PBF by about 7lbs on the night.

SKILLS BEAT HIM - THE WEIGHT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

HATTON NEEDS TO BE BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN IS OPPONENT TO WIN.

BUT THIS TIME.....that was not enough.

Hattons beaten...

DOWN

Floyd got in there with one of the luckiest punches I have ever, and I mean ever, seen in my whole life, if Cortez hadn't have been protecting FM like the crown jewels, Hatton would beaten him from pillar to post to be frank I think he would also have been too much for Sugar Ray Leonard and as for Duran, it would have been a complete mismatch Hatton does him in five, tops.

Before you send a virus to my computer D.G - I'm just kidding.

I knew the moment you said 'luckiest'!

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