Help find Enzo Calzaghe's marbles...

[boxingchat]

"Coz I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero that you're dreaming of
Gonna live forever knowing together
That we did it all for the glory of love"

To quote Al Murray "That, my freind, is a beautiful thing"

[bridportboxer]

Calzaghe Srs an arse anyway

top trainer though

Without Joe he would have 21 less defences!

Maybe SKY should use him as a pundit complete with subtitles.

Was Enzo Calzaghe REALLY 28-0 in world title fights? WORLD TITLE FIGHTS.

I make him 2-1 (IBF Lacy, WBC/WBA Kessler against the WBC/WBA Haye loss).

The rest are clutching at straws a bit, ain't they? Pudwill, Mkrtchian, Mafredo, Veit, Salem, Ashira, Jiminez, Giminez, Thornberry, Sobot, McIntyre...wow. Even Rees-MBaye is stretching it a bit.

Woodhall and Reid were genuine title contests also, plus Eubank.

[Max Molyneux]

There is opinion and plain stupidity.

He says Haye only landed 5 rights to finish, yet was only throwing 4 shots a round. Did one right hand get put on layaway for the finish?

The only way Enzo could go 12 with Haye is if they fought 6 times.

There is giving your guy a boost and being an awful loser. Enzo may need to taste defeat again in order to obtain humility.

The chief mistake was fighting a better fighter, fighting a list of inferior boxers, and not correcting basic flaws that have been there since the Hobson bout.

Then again, Enzo Mac is the new Lennox Lewis isn't he?

So you expect him to say perfectly to say throwing 5 shots a round as well?

The only way It goes twelve If Haye's right Is neutralised as he's reliant on that and If they don't bowl over so easily he's made to work harder for the win.

He wasn't that much of an awful loser, he was just skeptical about Haye's chances at HW as they won't bowl over easily as they are used to taking heavy shots.

Chief mistake I thought was he went back too much Instead of staying closer and taking the distance away that Haye needs to effectively throw his big rights he blasts people out with. I think he might be open to an uppercut as he goes forward trying to blast with his big right too but I would have to see a fighter try It to be sure.

Then again Morris Isn't flat footed Isn't he?

I honestly have no idea what your opening remark is getting at, jibberish for the sake of it perhaps?

I hate to break this Max but in any number of fights Haye is going to be allowed to use his right hand on Enzo, not even Warren is that good at negotiation. This use of the right hand means one thing. Enzo getting stopped every time the two meet, you can argue that this is not the case but guess what? The reality showed it to be the case.

Enzo in close was not going to win the fight, nor at range. Nor is throwing a lead right uppercut to combat the right going to work for Enzo as he could barely throw a decent jab due to fear. As shown in the fight.

As for Andy Morris' movement, it is actually very good and any number of people can attest to this, that is why he did so well as an amateur. He fought a guy in Simpson who learned from fight one, in which again Morris moved well, and adapted.

Instead of crying about Morris' movement why not tell us again just how Enzo M is the new Lennox Lewis (apart from a 2nd round KO loss)? You cannot see how classless Enzo is being because you share this trait in regards to this fight.

Not jibberish, It seems you expected him to be perfect In his speech or something close.

Break what? I'm saying Enzo would win If they fought so many times. I just have the opinion If his right hand doesn't bowl them over early, he looks ordinary and has to work harder for his win like against Mormeck and the Italian dude but he can prove me wrong when he fights the HW's. So nothing to break to me.

He's not very much of an Inside fighter too and someone made a point about Ruiz on ESB If Ruiz gets close he can spoil Haye and I thought thats possible.

If Enzo had stayed close maybe he would of had a better chance as the right hand wouldn't of had it's distance. But he got bowled over In the end.

No problem with me being skeptical about his chances at HW until he beats them.

When Enzo boxed Braithwaite his style reminded me of how Lennox boxed, nothing wrong with that. He was working off the jab and uppercutting Wayne when he got close similar. Thats why I say It.

If your going to be funny about that then I will bring up points about how your precious Manchester fighters who you defend so much are not as good as you say.

[chesh]

Nothing wrong with having his opinion.

It's not liking he's calling Haye a disgrace literally.

There is opinion and plain stupidity.

He says Haye only landed 5 rights to finish, yet was only throwing 4 shots a round. Did one right hand get put on layaway for the finish?

The only way Enzo could go 12 with Haye is if they fought 6 times.

There is giving your guy a boost and being an awful loser. Enzo may need to taste defeat again in order to obtain humility.

The chief mistake was fighting a better fighter, fighting a list of inferior boxers, and not correcting basic flaws that have been there since the Hobson bout.

Then again, Enzo Mac is the new Lennox Lewis isn't he?

If you are referring to Enzo C. here, Terry (which I think you are), his next defeat may come as early as next Saturday (Rees-Kotelnik).

[tony3]

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Enzo Maccarinelli will be back this week. He had a bad turn, he's licked his wounds and he'll come back harder, stronger and better. A defeat doesn't have to be the end, it could be the beginning of your life. He wasnt hurt technically.

I'd rather it have gone that way than him been involved in a 12-round war. There is no physical damage like there would have been in a long battle. The only thing hurt is his pride.

He'll be back and start kicking arse big time. We'll adjust to the mistakes he made. He's come to terms with it. There's no one to blame but himself. He won't do that again.

I was 28-0 in world title fights, every good bubbles got to burst. I'm not God, there's only one God and he's up there.

No boxer or trainer's immortal. As long as we did our job right, when it comes down to business its down to the fighters.

All this said, Haye did nothing for me to change my views on him. It wasnt his performance that counted it was Enzo's performance. He was only as good as Enzo made him look.

He answered no questions to me. He only threw four punches himself a round. Four whole punches.

Lets be honest about it, this hot property: B*******.

I think the same of him as I did before. If Enzo went 12 rounds with the guy he would have destroyed him.

He didnt get a chance to show it because he did what he did wrong.

You can't judge what Haye is all about from that fight. It took him five big straight rights to deck Enzo.

Now you think he is going to be fighting 17 stone guys. It will take a lot more to put them down.

Lets not look too much . If thats 12 rounds as Maccarinelli can fight, as he does all the time, that greatest thing since sliced bread wouldn't be around today.

He won fair and square but lets not get carried away because enzo underperformed.

It wont be hard to get Enzo over this. He's a very positive character. He believes in his ability and he wont blame anyone. He knows a true Enzo would have done a job on this guy.

It could be lots of things, I'm not going to question what this was. He said straight afterwards: 'The thing I was asked to do I didnt do'. He will be back. Hopefully we can get him back in the beginning of June and we'll be ready to rumble with Enzo again.

We'll give him a ten-rounder to start with to dust the cobwebs off and then we'll get him straight back fighting for a world title.

You wouldn't expect anything classy from the mouth of Calzaghe, Sr., but damn, he really does sound a little delusional here. I HOPE Enzo Maccarinelli bounces back and wins his title again, but they really need to address WHY Enzo M got blasted last Saturday - the cold, hard truth - and not offer feeble excuses to make them both feel better. Too much of that Enzo C/Enzo M relationship is based on false confidence - they need some reality now.

I am not surprised by Enzo Calzaghe's response. His pride seemed more hurt than Macca's who I feel knew he was in over his head as the fight drew closer. Haye beat Macca because Haye is miles better and in a different league.

I think Enzo Calzaghe is overrated generally on the basis of how good JC is. But when it comes down to it Joe Calzaghe is so good he doesnt need anyone in the corner, he could train himselff and win the fights tending to his own corner.

Cunningham would starch Enzo too.

Agree with this post completely.

I'm not ready to jump onto the Haye-at-heavyweight bandwagon until I've seen what he can do over the course of three or four bouts against decent competition. However I don't see how Maccarinelli could ever have beaten him beyond a flukey equalizer.
Haye's got better rhythm, he's faster in both foot and hand, his 'twitch' response is far better and he punches too hard for Macca to be able to drag him into the trenches and grind him down.

I can understand from a psychological standpoint why Enzo Calzaghe would
choose to underplay Haye's abilities BEFORE the fight, after all he doesn't want his man going in there thinking he about to face Godzilla. Now though it just smacks of sour grapes.

[StepinFetchit]

Never rated this little Welsh sheep fooker anyway, he talks the most amount of Sh!t and has an attitude like he's some kind of bomber, when he looks like a greasy ice cream seller.

I give Calzaghe jnr his props, he's a good fighter, but if Calzaghe Snr wants to look for anyone who is overhyped then look no further than his own son.

Why does David Haye touch such a nerve with these knob head trainers, ie; Chris Aston.......IMO it's because they are intimidated by a fighter with Hayes potential.

[stujones]

Whether you rate Enzo C or not.... lets get one thing straight.

He aint Welsh.

Whilst maybe in some of the issues he is technically out (like what Terry said) I can see what he is saying.

We all NEW Haye was a Massive puncher. We all knew he was a quick, sharp puncher with a great right hand.

What we didn't know was his own punch resistance and stamina.. and we still don't know that. So yeah, Enzo is right -we learned nothing knew.

We also know that Bruce Scott and Mark Hobson were not just lucky - Enzo M is very vulnarable.

[Rocky Balboa]

Has Enzo escaped from the straight-jacket & padded cell?

Bottom line is: Haye blasted Maccarinelli out. There's no getting away from that, Enzo Calzaghe!

If Haye is what Cazlaghe snr claims (which of course he's not) then what the fcuk does that make Maccarinelli?

Maccarinelli was in such a state after Haye hit him, he reminded me of someone walkng around in the dark!

The words sore, loser & bitter come to mind!

[Autobarn]

I wonder what the Americans think. Can they even remember Macca whathisname, over a week after he got blown out?

Will be interesting to see how Enzo Cal's reputation goes if some of his fighters like Rees and Lockett get beaten up. Will he diss guys like Kotelnik and Pavlik if HIS BOYS can't follow the masterplan?

[fist]

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Enzo Maccarinelli will be back this week. He had a bad turn, he's licked his wounds and he'll come back harder, stronger and better. A defeat doesn't have to be the end, it could be the beginning of your life. He wasnt hurt technically.

I'd rather it have gone that way than him been involved in a 12-round war. There is no physical damage like there would have been in a long battle. The only thing hurt is his pride.

He'll be back and start kicking arse big time. We'll adjust to the mistakes he made. He's come to terms with it. There's no one to blame but himself. He won't do that again.

I was 28-0 in world title fights, every good bubbles got to burst. I'm not God, there's only one God and he's up there.

No boxer or trainer's immortal. As long as we did our job right, when it comes down to business its down to the fighters.

All this said, Haye did nothing for me to change my views on him. It wasnt his performance that counted it was Enzo's performance. He was only as good as Enzo made him look.

He answered no questions to me. He only threw four punches himself a round. Four whole punches.

Lets be honest about it, this hot property: B*******.

I think the same of him as I did before. If Enzo went 12 rounds with the guy he would have destroyed him.

He didnt get a chance to show it because he did what he did wrong.

You can't judge what Haye is all about from that fight. It took him five big straight rights to deck Enzo.

Now you think he is going to be fighting 17 stone guys. It will take a lot more to put them down.

Lets not look too much . If thats 12 rounds as Maccarinelli can fight, as he does all the time, that greatest thing since sliced bread wouldn't be around today.

He won fair and square but lets not get carried away because enzo underperformed.

It wont be hard to get Enzo over this. He's a very positive character. He believes in his ability and he wont blame anyone. He knows a true Enzo would have done a job on this guy.

It could be lots of things, I'm not going to question what this was. He said straight afterwards: 'The thing I was asked to do I didnt do'. He will be back. Hopefully we can get him back in the beginning of June and we'll be ready to rumble with Enzo again.

We'll give him a ten-rounder to start with to dust the cobwebs off and then we'll get him straight back fighting for a world title.

You wouldn't expect anything classy from the mouth of Calzaghe, Sr., but damn, he really does sound a little delusional here. I HOPE Enzo Maccarinelli bounces back and wins his title again, but they really need to address WHY Enzo M got blasted last Saturday - the cold, hard truth - and not offer feeble excuses to make them both feel better. Too much of that Enzo C/Enzo M relationship is based on false confidence - they need some reality now.

i think Enzo is spot on to be honest. Macca did not help himself with the mistakes he made. He should have taken a count for a start - with all Hayes power Macca was still standing after taking a pummeling.

Haye hasnt convined me yet, too inexperienced, too few fights, been KO'd once, dropped numerous times and feck all stamina. Power and speed, yes. But we'll seem him decked again without doubt.

[Autobarn]

Too inexperienced?

He took hard European title fights, got up to break down Mormeck in a MATURE showing (far away from the Thompson defeat) in which he said he was depleted by having to lose too much weight over a short time, and handled the big occasion and cracked Macca's chin in scintillating fashion.

[fist]

Too inexperienced?

He took hard European title fights, got up to break down Mormeck in a MATURE showing (far away from the Thompson defeat) in which he said he was depleted by having to lose too much weight over a short time, and handled the big occasion and cracked Macca's chin in scintillating fashion.

Yep, what Im getting at was his relative inactivity and low number of fights. He has not done enough to convince me. I acknowledge his strngths, but still question his chin, stamina, heart and fight frequency. How many fights has he had? And he reckons he's retiring in two years. So that'll be about five more fights! I really do think he'll get sparked a few more times before he hangs up his gloves.

[Autobarn]

Haye has struck me as a fast learner. Frago as practise for Mormeck - in both fights he overcame trouble (cut, KD) showing heart and maturity to win.

I know what you mean though with not enough rounds.

Re the # of fights: at least he has taken fights that are meaningful, rather than beating around the bush with waster fights.

[Eraserhead]

Too inexperienced?

He took hard European title fights, got up to break down Mormeck in a MATURE showing (far away from the Thompson defeat) in which he said he was depleted by having to lose too much weight over a short time, and handled the big occasion and cracked Macca's chin in scintillating fashion.

Yep, what Im getting at was his relative inactivity and low number of fights. He has not done enough to convince me. I acknowledge his strngths, but still question his chin, stamina, heart and fight frequency. How many fights has he had? And he reckons he's retiring in two years. So that'll be about five more fights! I really do think he'll get sparked a few more times before he hangs up his gloves.

Number of fights means sod all.

Hatton had 30-odd fights before taking on Tszyu and Ricky had never been anywhere near genuine world-class. Tszyu was his first taste. Luckily, he rose to the occasion. Maccarinelli may have had 29 fights going into his fight with Haye, but he was the inexperienced one of the two. Number of fights meant nothing going into that fight - the telling thing was what happened DURING those fights and who they were against.

Haye had defeated unbeaten, fit pros with ambition, a current world champion, and been in with punchers. He'd been dropped and come back to win more than once. He'd been cut and pulled wins out the bag. Haye had boxed abroad and entered the ring first as challenger. Enzo Mac had none of this.

Haye is as experienced as a fighter can get with only 22 pro fights under his belt.

[Autobarn]

Too inexperienced?

He took hard European title fights, got up to break down Mormeck in a MATURE showing (far away from the Thompson defeat) in which he said he was depleted by having to lose too much weight over a short time, and handled the big occasion and cracked Macca's chin in scintillating fashion.

Yep, what Im getting at was his relative inactivity and low number of fights. He has not done enough to convince me. I acknowledge his strngths, but still question his chin, stamina, heart and fight frequency. How many fights has he had? And he reckons he's retiring in two years. So that'll be about five more fights! I really do think he'll get sparked a few more times before he hangs up his gloves.

Number of fights means sod all.

Hatton had 30-odd fights before taking on Tszyu and Ricky had never been anywhere near genuine world-class. Tszyu was his first taste. Luckily, he rose to the occasion. Maccarinelli may have had 29 fights going into his fight with Haye, but he was the inexperienced one of the two. Number of fights meant nothing going into that fight - the telling thing was what happened DURING those fights and who they were against.

Haye had defeated unbeaten, fit pros with ambition, a current world champion, and been in with punchers. He'd been dropped and come back to win more than once. He'd been cut and pulled wins out the bag. Haye had boxed abroad and entered the ring first as challenger. Enzo Mac had none of this.

Haye is as experienced as a fighter can get with only 22 pro fights under his belt.

great point. check out what Adam Booth said in a recent times article here:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/ ... ute_a.html

Hatton takes the safer route as Haye makes a heavy gamble
Ricky Hatton and David Haye last week betrayed vastly constrasting attitudes to the question of risk....
Kevin MitchellMarch 16, 2008 1:18 AM
The Welshman will recover, because he did not get beaten up and he has talent. The Londoner, meanwhile, is still standing at the roulette wheel and he cannot wait to gamble again, this time at heavyweight.

For Adam Booth, Haye's interesting young trainer and manager, their strategy and philosophy remains intact. 'Before the Maccarinelli fight,' he said, 'I got close to doing a deal at heavyweight with Hasim Rahman. He's rated, still winning and a name over here, having knocked out Lennox Lewis. So that might happen. You can't go straight in against one of the champions because they've got deals in place. We will take two months off to think about things. We might even fight again at cruiserweight. I don't know.'

In the immediate aftermath of Haye's only loss, a fifth-round stoppage against the tough veteran Carl Thompson four years ago, Booth told an interviewer: 'David cannot understand fighters who only want safe fights.'

Nothing has changed. 'I look at it this way. You see talented amateurs, like Amir Khan, fighting national champions all the time. In four days, David fought four of them [at the world amateur championships in Belfast in 2001]. Good fighters need that level of stimulation. Yet they turn professional and for the next two years or so they don't get it. How many fights did Hatton have before his first real world title fight, against Kostya Tszyu? Thirty-nine.'

What is impressive is that this is their consistent, top-gun mantra, in defeat as well as victory. They are a pair of old-school fight guys - like Evander Holyfield once was. Holyfield, undisputed cruiserweight champion exactly 20 years ago, was at ringside in Greenwich. He nodded his grizzled old head and slipped away. He is still fighting, still trying for another heavyweight title shot.

I'd asked him a week earlier if he'd fancy a fight with Haye. 'Sorry, I haven't heard of him.' He has now. He might even get on the phone to Booth. And, for all that he will take on anyone in the ultimate division, you would hope Haye does not contemplate accommodating any foolish challenges from the 45-year-old ex-champ from Georgia, who once was his hero and the Real Deal. Because the risk would be wholly Evander's, a seriously health-threatening one.

[Chambers2]

There's nothing like a good loser and Enzo Calzaghe is nothing like a good loser

[Twinkle Toes]

Yah, Enzo Calzaghe is coming across as being very bitter, and actually i'm a bit surprised at how critical he is being about Macca.

Macca is going to look back at this one day, and wonder where the fook the support from his own camp was.

I don't think telling the world how bad Macca was in sticking to the game plan is painting old Enzo in a good light at all. Seems to me to be covering his own arse rather than looking out for his fighter.

[Deserter]

Guys, am I the only one who's reading this from a different perspective
I'm seing a trainer using kidology in an attempt to ensure his fighter doesn't suffer long-term mental frailty as a result of his defeat.
We all know it's absolutely vital that a boxer, probably more than any other sportsman, retains his confidence, and this approach allows Enzo M to use the 'get-out' clause of deviating from the gameplan to explain his defeat to himself, rather than being forced into deeper questions regarding simply being the inferior boxer full stop. Mental confidence is a fragile thing and to have suffered such a conclusive defeat in your biggest fight is bound to have a detrimental impact - I think Calzaghe Sr's main aim here is damage limitation.
Whatever Calzaghe Sr's faults, he's no mug, and will in private, I'm sure, express a different view of Haye, but publically he is surely doing the right thing in terms of trying to get Enzo's confidence back on track?
I don't see it as a million miles away from the same psychological tactics employed in other sports - Wenger and Mourinho both spring to mind, for example.

[Chambers2]

'David cannot understand fighters who only want safe fights.'

Nothing has changed. 'I look at it this way. You see talented amateurs, like Amir Khan, fighting national champions all the time. In four days, David fought four of them [at the world amateur championships in Belfast in 2001]. Good fighters need that level of stimulation. Yet they turn professional and for the next two years or so they don't get it. How many fights did Hatton have before his first real world title fight, against Kostya Tszyu? Thirty-nine.'

Haye's got a proper fighters attitude, he knows he's the bollocks and he has the desire to keep proving it and testing himself, that's why he'll be a British boxing legend. He's a maverick and hopefully a trendsetter, if every boxer had Haye's attitude Boxing would rule the world!! [that's enough cocksucking for one night)

[Eraserhead]

Guys, am I the only one who's reading this from a different perspective
I'm seing a trainer using kidology in an attempt to ensure his fighter doesn't suffer long-term mental frailty as a result of his defeat.
We all know it's absolutely vital that a boxer, probably more than any other sportsman, retains his confidence, and this approach allows Enzo M to use the 'get-out' clause of deviating from the gameplan to explain his defeat to himself, rather than being forced into deeper questions regarding simply being the inferior boxer full stop. Mental confidence is a fragile thing and to have suffered such a conclusive defeat in your biggest fight is bound to have a detrimental impact - I think Calzaghe Sr's main aim here is damage limitation.
Whatever Calzaghe Sr's faults, he's no mug, and will in private, I'm sure, express a different view of Haye, but publically he is surely doing the right thing in terms of trying to get Enzo's confidence back on track?
I don't see it as a million miles away from the same psychological tactics employed in other sports - Wenger and Mourinho both spring to mind, for example.

That's all well and good if you are an Arsenal or a Chelsea. It's okay to play that card when you're the finished article and are at the peak of your sport. Enzo Maccarinelli is more of a Middlesboro'. Kidology will only and has only got Enzo Mac so far. False confidence, born from both Enzo C and beating sub-par opposition, has brought Maccarinelli to where he is.

David Haye provided the awakening to that kind of attitude. He exposed some glaring flaws in both Enzo Mac's physical and mental game. If Enzo C thinks he can gloss over those flaws via kidology or using the 'mistake' line, he might be sorely mistaken.

In order to move on and get back in the title mix, Enzo Mac needs to face up to what went wrong and accept the loss for what it was - a reality check. He needs changes not excuses. If nothing changes and Enzo Mac merely 'retains his confidence' the exact same thing will happen when/if he faces another world-class fighter. It wasn't a mistake, it was a bad habit that saw him chinned.

Maybe Enzo C is saying different stuff to Enzo Mac behind closed doors. Who really knows?

[Chambers2]

Guys, am I the only one who's reading this from a different perspective
I'm seing a trainer using kidology in an attempt to ensure his fighter doesn't suffer long-term mental frailty as a result of his defeat.

I thought that and if Enzo Calzaghe had just said it was Enzo Macs fault for the loss then that's fair enough, but Calzaghe Sr came out with the below and gave Haye no credit

All this said, Haye did nothing for me to change my views on him. It wasnt his performance that counted it was Enzo's performance. He was only as good as Enzo made him look.

He answered no questions to me. He only threw four punches himself a round. Four whole punches.

Lets be honest about it, this hot property: B*******.

I think the same of him as I did before. If Enzo went 12 rounds with the guy he would have destroyed him.

He didnt get a chance to show it because he did what he did wrong.

You can't judge what Haye is all about from that fight. It took him five big straight rights to deck Enzo.

Now you think he is going to be fighting 17 stone guys. It will take a lot more to put them down.

Lets not look too much . If thats 12 rounds as Maccarinelli can fight, as he does all the time, that greatest thing since sliced bread wouldn't be around today.

He won fair and square but lets not get carried away because enzo underperformed.

[Matt W]

Haye proved he was in a different league to Maccarinelli. The fact he landed 4 solid rights attests to Enzo's lack of ability to cope with Haye's strengths. Haye landed first because he's much the better fighter. Simple.

And how can Enzo C make that comment about going 12 rounds when he didn't get beyond 2? The only way Enzo would go 12 with Haye is if Haye's hands were behind his back. This isn't to disparage Maccarinelli - he found himself out of his depth and there's no shame in that - but Enzo C is doing him no favours at all here.

[Maelstrom]

Someone should ask Enzo why his fighter folded under the pressure the first time he took a serious dig.

Startled bunny comes to mind. You knew Macca was beat the first time Haye hit him... everything went to pot, including the haircut.

A bit of decent sparring may have been in order. And I don't mean against a super middle. He was fighting a big hitting cruiser/heavy.

[tony3]

Now that the moment has passed, I'm starting to mellow towards Enzo Calzaghe and his remarks after the fight.

Whilst unquestionably lacking in sportsmanship, I suppose his current task is to try and rebuild Maccarinelli's shattered confidence.

Perhaps stating that Macca might have won if he had stuck to the gameplan is an oblique way of telling his fighter that he still has faith that he is up to the job of beating elite opposition.

[THEBUTCH]

Enzo Calzaghe quotes have put himself in a bad light. What a sore loser. Big Mac got a BIG hiding so she should show some sportsmanship, like Warren did who whent straight over and shook Haye's hand, or just shut his trap.

If Haye is nothing special as he seems to be indicating then Maccarinelli must be a very ordinary boxer indeed, seeing as he got completely anhilated.