KOSTYA TSZYU VS SHANE MOSLEY

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 06 Mar 2008, 01:51

if shane mosley had of gone to 140 instead of straight to 147 and these two met around 99,00 or 01 who would win and why

im not sure who i would favour but i think it would be a very competitive fight

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 06 Mar 2008, 01:53

Mosley

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 06 Mar 2008, 02:48

Mosley, The thought of Tszyu trying to hit Mosley with power shots at 140 doesn't spell victory. Mosley retires Tszyu in the later rounds.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 06 Mar 2008, 03:24

I have to say that, along with Trinidad, Mosley became one of the more over-hyped fighters of the early part of this decade. He essentially built his mainstream career on a single 7-5, 115-113-type victory over De La Hoya (who he lost to in the rematch, IMO). In contrast, Tszyu seemed to just potter along beating good, but not great opposition, but besting better competition across the board & with greater consistency than Mosley ended up doing.

Head-to-head at 140, I don't think there is any getting around the problems Mosley's speed would present. He did something back in the day you won't see anymore --- he threw in combination, & what I'm talking about are real combinations, not the spurts a young Zab Judah recieved so much praise for. Judah gave Tszyu problems in the first round of their bout (& if I recall correctly, many picked him to beat Tszyu), but what impressed was the way Tszyu adjusted. He was winning that second round before he landed the fight-ending right hand.

This was no fluke. Tszyu was under-appreciated as a tactician --- he knew his enemy & he knew how to exploit weaknesses --- you just don't have a reign like Tszyu's at 140 if you are reliant on a big punch (& Tszyu was never a true one-punch KO kinda guy anyway). The question would be this --- can Tszyu deal with Mosley's speed of hand, & rhythmic assault?

The early going would be a lot like round one of Tszyu-Judah. Speed would win the day, & Tszyu would be hit a lot more (& perhaps a lot harder) than he expected. I can see confusion in his corner. In the mid-rounds, things start to even out a little bit, Mosley isn't rattled but he is starting to put himself in positions he shouldn't (happened against Forrest, & later in the return with De La Hoya --- Mosley is a fighter who can be had on another man's terms, if they're patient). Late in the fight, Mosley steps off the aggression a little, opting to box more, & it's Tszyu who pushes now. Handspeed is once again the difference in the final two rounds though, & Mosley emerges with a close, but clear, decision victory.

Not sure why this one prompted a more in-depth response from me than most mythicals, but that's my take, anyway.

Mosley UD12 Tszyu.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 06 Mar 2008, 03:55

Well Mosley was also Lightweight champion, and a good one, and regardless of the margins on the judge's scorecards he clearly won the first fight... I had him winning the rematch.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 06 Mar 2008, 04:13

I Feel Fine wrote:Well Mosley was also Lightweight champion, and a good one, and regardless of the margins on the judge's scorecards he clearly won the first fight... I had him winning the rematch.

True, Mosley was a very good Lightweight champ, though not as good across the board as Tszyu was at Jr. Welter.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 07 Mar 2008, 11:24

Is this the BALCO free Mosley or the juiced up one?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 07 Mar 2008, 18:38

I'd bet on Kostya and be a bit nervous about collecting, but I think my odds are better than 50/50. Shane can be hit, and is willing to trade....and I think he just might gamble.....and I don't think he wins that gamble. But I think I'd win mine.

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 07 Mar 2008, 19:58

BoxBuzz wrote:I'd bet on Kostya and be a bit nervous about collecting, but I think my odds are better than 50/50. Shane can be hit, and is willing to trade....and I think he just might gamble.....and I don't think he wins that gamble. But I think I'd win mine.

I think its a gamble but if he can trade with Oscar, who is a tad more bigger and hit harder then he can trade with Kostya.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 07 Mar 2008, 21:29

Obviously anything is possible, but I don't see any way that Tszyu knocks out Mosley. Mosley has a great chin.

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 09 Mar 2008, 21:33

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I have to say that, along with Trinidad, Mosley became one of the more over-hyped fighters of the early part of this decade. He essentially built his mainstream career on a single 7-5, 115-113-type victory over De La Hoya (who he lost to in the rematch, IMO). In contrast, Tszyu seemed to just potter along beating good, but not great opposition, but besting better competition across the board & with greater consistency than Mosley ended up doing.

Head-to-head at 140, I don't think there is any getting around the problems Mosley's speed would present. He did something back in the day you won't see anymore --- he threw in combination, & what I'm talking about are real combinations, not the spurts a young Zab Judah recieved so much praise for. Judah gave Tszyu problems in the first round of their bout (& if I recall correctly, many picked him to beat Tszyu), but what impressed was the way Tszyu adjusted. He was winning that second round before he landed the fight-ending right hand.

This was no fluke. Tszyu was under-appreciated as a tactician --- he knew his enemy & he knew how to exploit weaknesses --- you just don't have a reign like Tszyu's at 140 if you are reliant on a big punch (& Tszyu was never a true one-punch KO kinda guy anyway). The question would be this --- can Tszyu deal with Mosley's speed of hand, & rhythmic assault?

The early going would be a lot like round one of Tszyu-Judah. Speed would win the day, & Tszyu would be hit a lot more (& perhaps a lot harder) than he expected. I can see confusion in his corner. In the mid-rounds, things start to even out a little bit, Mosley isn't rattled but he is starting to put himself in positions he shouldn't (happened against Forrest, & later in the return with De La Hoya --- Mosley is a fighter who can be had on another man's terms, if they're patient). Late in the fight, Mosley steps off the aggression a little, opting to box more, & it's Tszyu who pushes now. Handspeed is once again the difference in the final two rounds though, & Mosley emerges with a close, but clear, decision victory.

Not sure why this one prompted a more in-depth response from me than most mythicals, but that's my take, anyway.

Mosley UD12 Tszyu.

I don't think you can necessarily say that, I see plenty of fighters nowadays capable and willing to throw in combinations, including a few in Mosley's original division of LW. Campbell and Juan Diaz just showed plenty of combination work yesterday and Michael Katsidis pretty much completely neglects any use of a jab in order to throw combos.

Anyway I pretty much agree completely with your analysis, Mosley by Close UD over Tszyu

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 09 Mar 2008, 23:03

Sorry, Weapon, to clarify, I meant you don't see it from Mosley anymore, not fighters in general.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 09 Mar 2008, 23:06

Tough one to pick but Kostya had a habit of catching slick boxers...

Diamond WEAPON · Post by **Diamond WEAPON** » 09 Mar 2008, 23:33

Marlin wrote:Tough one to pick but Kostya had a habit of catching slick boxers...

I wouldn't call Mosley a slick boxer. He was more of an explosive combination puncher who just happened to be good defensively because he was constantly moving.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 11 Mar 2008, 03:18

mosley shoulda fought kostya instead of shannon taylor

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 11 Mar 2008, 03:19

I would have liked to have seen these guys fight.

I would have to lean towards Mosley. Though Tsyzu is a good solid boxer who could stalk his man well.

woe31 · Post by **woe31** » 11 Mar 2008, 23:57

Mosley quite comfortably for mine. He proved his ability and chin against bigger men than Tszyu and was far quicker. Kostya would likely have his moments, but they would be few and far between.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 21 Mar 2008, 04:05

Its hard to pick as both were fairly even in talent, although Mosley was quicker Tszyu was very accurate in the ring. Forrest was able to hurt Mosley early and put him off his game so Tszyu might have been able to do the same. Than again Mosley may have boxed his way to a UD as he did vs DeLahoya.

I say 50/50.

I just wish this fight had have happened as both of them were around at the same time :x :x :x

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 21 Mar 2008, 05:59

I can only see a Mosley victory here and it all comes down to his speed and chin.
Tsyzu can hurt Mosley, but Mosley I think can hurt Tsyzu more and his speed and volume and more accurate and quality shots will earn him victory...

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 21 Mar 2008, 15:07

yep, agree with most on this one. i dont think the mosley of 99 or 2000 gets sloppy enough to allow kostya to tag him in the later rounds and completes a fairly comfortable points win. good fight though.

birddog · Post by **birddog** » 25 Mar 2008, 20:05

I see Mosley winning this one 4 out of 5 times for all the reasons mentioned. Kosta would have his moments and maybe hurt Shane, but not enough to have Shane doing a chicken dance or being beaten enough to force a retirement. 12 rd decisions for Mosley but I don't see him stopping Tsyzu. Just see it as a bad matchup for Tsyzu. And I like and respect both guys, wouldn't want to have a rooting interest.