anyone else think casamayor will brutalise katsidis?

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 05 Mar 2008, 13:43

I think the easy time Khan had with Earl was, in large part, due to the beating Graham suffered in the Katsidis fight. I think Katsidis is being underrated here and wouldn't be at all surprised if he overwhelms and becomes the first to stop Casa. Amir could possibly outpoint the current version of Casamayor, whereas I'd give him very little chance against Katsidis who punches too hard and too often!

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 05 Mar 2008, 13:58

chesh wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:are you serious??

I just looked at katsidis's record, I didn't realise it was so bad. A catalogue of bums exclusively in australia.

Also, remember that dwarf Fred Kinuthia who was drafted over as one of witter's sacrificial stiffs? Katsidis couldn't stop the guy.

This is easy money.
Katsidis stopped Kinuthia in 5 and that was up at 140.

and then went 10 with him in his next fight.

nothing to suggest katsidis is this murderous hitter guys.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 05 Mar 2008, 14:30

Riddick Blowe wrote:
chesh wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:are you serious??

I just looked at katsidis's record, I didn't realise it was so bad. A catalogue of bums exclusively in australia.

Also, remember that dwarf Fred Kinuthia who was drafted over as one of witter's sacrificial stiffs? Katsidis couldn't stop the guy.

This is easy money.
Katsidis stopped Kinuthia in 5 and that was up at 140.
and then went 10 with him in his next fight.

nothing to suggest katsidis is this murderous hitter guys.

To be fair, Michael is also susceptable to cuts as well.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 20 Mar 2008, 09:42

Agree, on the face of it, Joel looks a good bet to take Katsidis to school - the Aussie looks overated, not really beaten anyone of note.

But I didn't see Joel's last fight, and it sounds a bad one, down in the first as well? Could be the ring rust though, and he'll be up for this one big time.

I'm going for JC on points or maybe late TKO, hoping he's not an "old" fighter already.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 20 Mar 2008, 10:19

I didn't see the Santa Cruz fight but i would expect Casa to have enough to 'old man' his way through to an ugly decision. The Aussie has power but poor accuracy.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 20 Mar 2008, 10:56

MightyWarrior wrote:Agree, on the face of it, Joel looks a good bet to take Katsidis to school - the Aussie looks overated, not really beaten anyone of note.

But I didn't see Joel's last fight, and it sounds a bad one, down in the first as well? Could be the ring rust though, and he'll be up for this one big time.

I'm going for JC on points or maybe late TKO, hoping he's not an "old" fighter already.

Maybe Casamayor didn't train too hard for his last fight.

It's a hard fight to call, because cannot be sure whether Casamayor is on the slide badly. One bad fight does not neccessarily mean he's shot, but he is pretty old, and relies on reflexes a lot with his style.

Depends on what the odds are here. If Katsidis is a big favourite, worth a punt, but cannot imagine he will be more than marginal favourite if at all.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 20 Mar 2008, 11:01

Did someone mention odds??

From Stan James

Katsidis v Casamayor - Lightweight 23 Mar 01:00In The Event Of Postponement, All Bets Stand For 30 Days
Selection Price
Katsidis, Michael 2/5
Draw 22/1
Casamayor, J 7/4
Round By RoundKatsidis v Casamayor - Lightweight 23 Mar 01:00 Selection Price
Katsidis, Michael Round 1 20/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 2 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 3 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 4 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 5 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 6 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 7 18/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 8 20/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 9 22/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 10 22/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 11 25/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 12 33/1
Katsidis, Michael On Points 2/1
Casamayor, J Round 1 40/1
Casamayor, J Round 2 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 3 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 4 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 5 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 6 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 7 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 8 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 9 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 10 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 11 33/1
Casamayor, J Round 12 40/1
Casamayor, J On Points 7/2
Draw 22/1

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 20 Mar 2008, 11:11

I still say this fight is about timing, and its the right time for Katsidis.
Joel Casamayor has been a great boxer, arguably the greatest cuban pro of modern times. But his prime was a few years ago and his record at lightweight isn't that great , since he lost the super feather title he's had 7 fights at lightweight, going 5-1-1, and 2 of those wins by SD.

Katsidis will lose the first couple of rounds then be able to get inside the ageing Casamayor , breaking him up for a KO in 8

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 20 Mar 2008, 11:46

I prefer these odds off BetFred, note a Casa UD has come in tpo 4/1 from 5/1

Katsidis v Casamayor 23 Mar 02:00 - BoutSelection Price
Katsidis, Michael 2/5
Draw 20/1
Casamayor, Joel 7/4
Katsidis v Casamayor 23 Mar 02:00 - Round BettingSelection Price
Katsidis, Michael Round 1 25/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 2 25/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 3 20/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 4 20/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 5 20/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 6 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 8 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 7 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 9 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 10 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 11 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Round 12 16/1
Katsidis, Michael Points 5/2
Casamayor, Joel Round 1 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 2 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 3 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 4 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 5 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 6 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 7 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 8 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 9 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 10 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 11 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Round 12 33/1
Casamayor, Joel Points 4/1
Draw 20/1

Eraserhead · Post by **Eraserhead** » 20 Mar 2008, 11:55

A prime Casamayor stops Katsidis within the distance. He'd just know too much and be too accurate for the face-first Aussie. Depends how much the old man's got left, I s'pose. Still gotta fancy Joel, though. Let's be honest, Katsidis is just a broke Arturo Gatti with an Aussie accent and a suit of armour.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 20 Mar 2008, 12:54

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Maybe Casamayor didn't train too hard for his last fight.

It's a hard fight to call, because cannot be sure whether Casamayor is on the slide badly. One bad fight does not neccessarily mean he's shot, but he is pretty old, and relies on reflexes a lot with his style.

Depends on what the odds are here. If Katsidis is a big favourite, worth a punt, but cannot imagine he will be more than marginal favourite if at all.

Yeah it's hard to be sure about this one, Katsidis should win, if he's as good as American TV hopes he is, but he looked a bit average last time out, and his face marked up badly - and that was meant to be a showcase fight, not another war.
The Lighweights are hotting up this year.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 20 Mar 2008, 19:17

katsidis (but i'll be rooting for JC)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Mar 2008, 14:00

Had a long look at this last night. Had a punt, you can get 3-1 on Casa points, which looked pretty juicy.

Katsidis really hasn't fought ANYONE. Even Santa Cruz who Casa looked very poor against, is way better than anyone Katsidis has on his record.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 21 Mar 2008, 14:18

but i think joel is spent. and when ya spent ya spent.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 21 Mar 2008, 15:00

This fight will tell us more about Kastidis than Casamayor - As has been mentioned it looks like Casamayor has been brought in as the 'name'.

I'll be placing a punt on Casamyor - Even though the Earl fight was massively entertaining, Kastidis was kinda exposed as being a bit of a slugger.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 21 Mar 2008, 15:15

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Had a long look at this last night. Had a punt, you can get 3-1 on Casa points, which looked pretty juicy.

Katsidis really hasn't fought ANYONE. Even Santa Cruz who Casa looked very poor against, is way better than anyone Katsidis has on his record.

clapclap. Katsidis is nothing, which is why it's frustrating that this fight isnt a few years ago when we knew how casa was fighting, because on the 'hyped fighter' basis katsidis may still have been favourite a la trinidad vs hopkins.

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 21 Mar 2008, 16:09

I do not think casamayor has the punch power to stop Kastidis - but he certainly has the boxing skills to outpoint the Aussie and make it a very uncomfortable night for him - just a question of how much Casamayor has left.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Mar 2008, 12:43

Graham Houston goes for Katsidis...he's not wrong too often. He also thinks Rees loses his title tonight.
I've gone the other way for both, no cash down yet though. Fairly confident Rees does it, somehow, but wondering how much Joe Casa has left.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 22 Mar 2008, 17:54

Is this being shown on SKY?

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 22 Mar 2008, 18:50

Katsidis will be found out soon, but not against Casamayor. This fight couldn't have come at a better time for Katsidis.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:16

If Casa has ANYTHING left he should win this. As others have pointed out, Katsidis hasn't fought anyone of any note at all, and has been in life or death struggles with fighters who are only fringe world class at best. I would make Casamayor a favourite in this, but I'd prefer to see Katsidis win because it'll mean some new blood for the division, and because his style always makes for exciting fights.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 22 Mar 2008, 20:37

ebeneezer wrote:Is this being shown on SKY?

Next Friday, 9.30 pm. Is there a live stream tonight?

The_Don1 · Post by **The_Don1** » 22 Mar 2008, 20:39

yeah anyone where I can watch this for free online tonight?

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 22 Mar 2008, 22:58

Fight about to start. I was ringside for Casa's last fight and he looked terrible. I think he'll lose easily tonight, probably early stoppage - his ability to slip a punch seems to have gone.

Let's see....

Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 22 Mar 2008, 22:59

Kat down in first 30 secs. I will stick to my day job