Terry Marsh.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 11 Feb 2004, 05:54

Retired undefeated with an IBF title yet we barely ever hear of him.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 11 Feb 2004, 05:59

The mere mention of the name sends a shiver down Wazza's spine...

He has had an interesting life - world champion boxer, royal marine and fireman I believe. That is a fair few careers for a relatively young man.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 11 Feb 2004, 06:42

True, but most of Marsh's opponents weren't up to much (check his record). Even as a European champion he was fighting 4 fight monkeys on the Isle of Man...

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 11 Feb 2004, 06:54

TerribleTerry wrote:The mere mention of the name sends a shiver down Wazza's spine...

He has had an interesting life - world champion boxer, royal marine and fireman I believe. That is a fair few careers for a relatively young man.

Plus diagnosed epileptic, tryed for shooting FW, running as a MP, falsely accused of fraud. He's certainly put himself about a bit.

I remeber watching him on the telly as a nipper. As a 10yr old, boxers that jumped the top rope were always amongst my favourites...

OK, I'll admit it, I still think it's pretty cool now.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2004, 06:58

One of the hardest stomach I have seen. I remember he frequently used the cross arm guard around his head, exposing his body compleately and his opponents would pummell it, and he'd be literally laughing.

One of my childhood favourites, used to appear on Saturday morning kids shows (Number 73 etc) as a guest. That shows how much boxing has declined in popularity over the years, when is the last time that's happend?

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 11 Feb 2004, 07:22

stujones wrote:One of the hardest stomach I have seen. I remember he frequently used the cross arm guard around his head, exposing his body compleately and his opponents would pummell it, and he'd be literally laughing.

One of my childhood favourites, used to appear on Saturday morning kids shows (Number 73 etc) as a guest. That shows how much boxing has declined in popularity over the years, when is the last time that's happend?

Ricky Hatton appears in the Krankys doesn't he?

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 11 Feb 2004, 07:39

Loftgroov wrote:True, but most of Marsh's opponents weren't up to much (check his record). Even as a European champion he was fighting 4 fight monkeys on the Isle of Man...

Youre a bit harsh on Terry Marsh. Did you ever see him fight.

One of the fittest fighters I have ever seen.

And, without doubt, he was the strongest fighter (mentally) i have ever seen.

I saw him in a great fight with Clinton McKenzie at Shoreditch Town Hall about 20 years ago.

Marsh would have given Hatton a run for his money.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 11 Feb 2004, 07:47

Why did he retire after one defence though?

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:00

Lugh wrote:Why did he retire after one defence though?

Because he got grassed up to the Board of Control about his medical condition.

I wonder who did that?

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:01

knockout artist wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:True, but most of Marsh's opponents weren't up to much (check his record). Even as a European champion he was fighting 4 fight monkeys on the Isle of Man...
Youre a bit harsh on Terry Marsh. Did you ever see him fight.

One of the fittest fighters I have ever seen.

And, without doubt, he was the strongest fighter (mentally) i have ever seen.

I saw him in a great fight with Clinton McKenzie at Shoreditch Town Hall about 20 years ago.

Marsh would have given Hatton a run for his money.

Yes...but I look handy fighting outside a local pub.

I'm just syaing he didn't ever actually fight anyone "particularly" good did he. Sure, he did well in the fights he did fight, and I admire the guy's mental attitude & fitness regime... but I was really answering the inital question to the thread.

i.e. Why does nobody really talk about him.

Well... because he wasn't anything "special" was he...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:10

Honeghun vs Marsh was a natural that never got made, tough fight to call.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:14

stujones wrote:Honeghun vs Marsh was a natural that never got made, tough fight to call.

Who was the "proper" world champ at the time?

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:14

stujones wrote:Honeghun vs Marsh was a natural that never got made, tough fight to call.

The Ragamuffin man would have been my pick.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:19

It depends what you mean by special, Loftgroov.

If it means was he a great fighter, the answer is no.

But he did stop Joe Manley, who was world class, for a genuine version of the World title.

How many modern day British fighters have done that?

Not many.

Marsh wasnt a KO artist and was quite intellectual, so he didnt appeal to the masses.

The man never lost, he beat a world class fighter, for a genuine version of the title.

I'd say that was a wee bit special, wouldnt you?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:21

Lugh wrote:
stujones wrote:Honeghun vs Marsh was a natural that never got made, tough fight to call.
Who was the "proper" world champ at the time?

Marsh was IBF Light Welter weight champion, Honeghun was WBC and IBF Welterweight champion, although for the most part of Marsh's reign he was just the WBC champ.

As for the fight, I don't know something tells me Marsh's fitness, mental strength, and underated skills might have done enough to eek a split decision.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:26

Moderator - are we allowed to discuss any alleged links to FW's hospitalisation?

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:28

stujones wrote:
Lugh wrote:
stujones wrote:Honeghun vs Marsh was a natural that never got made, tough fight to call.
Who was the "proper" world champ at the time?
Marsh was IBF Light Welter weight champion, Honeghun was WBC and IBF Welterweight champion, although for the most part of Marsh's reign he was just the WBC champ.

As for the fight, I don't know something tells me Marsh's fitness, mental strength, and underated skills might have done enough to eek a split decision.

Whilst I think Marsh is underrated, Honeyghan would have been a bridge too far.

Lloyd was very fit too, and a very dedicated trainer.

Lloyd would have been too big, strong and fast.

Mid to Late rounds stoppage win for Honeyghan.

With all respect to the poster, not a fair comparison.

Lugh · Post by **Lugh** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:40

knockout artist wrote:
stujones wrote:
Lugh wrote: Who was the "proper" world champ at the time?
Marsh was IBF Light Welter weight champion, Honeghun was WBC and IBF Welterweight champion, although for the most part of Marsh's reign he was just the WBC champ.

As for the fight, I don't know something tells me Marsh's fitness, mental strength, and underated skills might have done enough to eek a split decision.
Whilst I think Marsh is underrated, Honeyghan would have been a bridge too far.

Lloyd was very fit too, and a very dedicated trainer.

Lloyd would have been too big, strong and fast.

Mid to Late rounds stoppage win for Honeyghan.

With all respect to the poster, not a fair comparison.

I once met Lloyd Honeyghan on the beach in Brighton/Hove - must be at least 15 years ago now. I was with a mate who was too embarrassed to ask for an autograph, so I went up and spoke to him.

When I told him my mate was too scared to speak to him he came and poked him in the chest ands said "you're not a wimp are you?" (at least I reckon that's what he said)

I was well chuffed with that and had a good week's worth of piss-taking at my mate's expense.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:52

Lugh wrote:Moderator - are we allowed to discuss any alleged links to FW's hospitalisation?

Defintely best not to go into that one Lugh, I saw one of Frank's boys was snooping around here yesterday, lawyers at the ready no doubt.

Marsh had a claim to being the best at the time I think, other champs were guys like Oliva, Sacco, Coggi - can't recall who the WBC champ was.

Marsh had Buddy McGirt and Meldrick Taylor hot on his heels, and I don't think he'd have beaten those two.

He went to The Sun with his retirement story - and Warren was furious he had to read about it there, rather than Terry telling him first. That was the start of their bitter dispute.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2004, 08:56

Hector Camacho was also hot on Marsh's heels. Remember Marsh saying "lets do it now" after his final defence (with Camacho at ringside). The hype in the game wasn't so great then, so it felt like it was possibility that it could happen (I was young at the time). I remember my father shouting at the TV, Terry you stupid idiot - you've just had a tough contest.

That would have been another great scrap.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Feb 2004, 09:05

Camacho would have taken him to School I think.

Much as I hated Camacho, he was one hell of a fighter, look at his record, pretty imressive.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Feb 2004, 09:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Camacho would have taken him to School I think.

Much as I hated Camacho, he was one hell of a fighter, look at his record, pretty imressive.

Yep I agree I would have favour Camacho strongly, it would have been interesting - we'll never know how good Terry was. Camacho is still a pretty decent opperator.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 11 Feb 2004, 09:25

Camacho would have been a bit too slick and would have won on points.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 11 Feb 2004, 09:29

knockout artist wrote:Camacho would have been a bit too slick and would have won on points.

Pre-Rosario Camacho had it all. After that fight he became a little gun shy/ ran more.

Still would fancy him to win through though. Skills like those will usually prevail over all else.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Feb 2004, 12:58

I was at the first Benn - Eubank fight at the NEC Birmingham, Marsh had not long been cleared of his 'shooting' charges. He got one of the biggest cheers of the night when introduced before the main event.

Isn't Terry March a cousin of the late unlicensed boxer Lenny McLean?

Terry Marsh.

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