overhand_right wrote:
Clifford Etienne couldn't even handle Fres Oquendo or a 35 year old Frans Botha, observer He was out on his feet 3 times v Clay-Bey.
Tommy Morrison won, lost and competed on a higher level than Etienne ever reached.
You cant pick Etienne over Morrison because he has no wins in the A class, mainly because he got knocked out several times in B class.
This is Boxrec., a guy can dream anything he wants here.
Well, i find it hard to compare such Low Skilled Boxers.
At least you know now how "high" i regard Tommy Morrison. Obviously not high as you ringsider, seeing as you picked him to beat Tyson
but like you said, a guy can dream anything he wants here
Yep and he can also fish by baiting the hook with the right words and see what he can catch.
The bottom line is picking Clifford Etienne over Tommy Morrison is like picking Alex Zolkin over Wladimir Klitschko, theres just no significant win & too many bad losses to defend such a position.
observer1 wrote:in my Opinion, Etienne would probably have taken Morrison...
And we all know the Tyson that fought Etienne...
Clifford Etienne couldn't even handle Fres Oquendo or a 35 year old Frans Botha, observer He was out on his feet 3 times v Clay-Bey.
Tommy Morrison won, lost and competed on a higher level than Etienne ever reached.
You cant pick Etienne over Morrison because he has no wins in the A class, mainly because he got knocked out several times in B class.
I'm not picking Ettiene here, but I do feel like I have to defend my fellow Louisianan, who I've seen fight many times live. Ettiene DID have pretty good skills. I do think he would've given Morrison problems while the fight lasted. The difference is that while both lacked steel jaws, Ettiene had a shaky chin AND a glass head. He literally just could not take head shots, almost all of his KO losses are to shots to the temple/back of the head. I believe brain damage is what led to him getting in so much trouble.
He gave Tyson 'problems' whilst the fight lasted. Shoving Tyson to the floor at one point and bullrushing him. It was still over in 49 seconds though.
Etienne would run into a heavy, concussive whack very quickly against a well schooled boxer like Morrison. He just didn't have the skill or chin to win against anything other than reluctant fattys like Clay-Bey, Brewster and Terrence Lewis. That is his confirmed level.
Etienne should never have collected a purse for his affair with Tyson. That was atrocious, & offensive to genuine fight fans. They should have snatched his share of the deal. He didn't deserve a cent
After that fight I remember reading on the boxing forum at MMA.tv that Etienne threw the fight against Tyson in order to give Tyson some credibility on the heels if his Lewis loss.
I do not think this is the case, but of all the conspiracies about the place, this one is no worse than any others.
Robinson wrote:After that fight I remember reading on the boxing forum at MMA.tv that Etienne threw the fight against Tyson in order to give Tyson some credibility on the heels if his Lewis loss.
I do not think this is the case, but of all the conspiracies about the place, this one is no worse than any others.
Probably not a fix, Etienne just took the coward's path. Not often I say that of anyone who steps into the ring, but there's a line to be drawn, somewhere...
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Probably not a fix, Etienne just took the coward's path. Not often I say that of anyone who steps into the ring, but there's a line to be drawn, somewhere...
Not a fix at all. Does anyone honestly believe a man knocked out by Fres Oquendo and down twice in a draw with a 35 year old Botha would need to be paid off to lose to Mike Tyson?
Etienne was served up because he had a glass chin with a face first style-- he was made to order for any version of Tyson.
This guy 'robinson' gives far too much credence to loons gossiping on boxing forums...
Does anyone remember how tired Tyson was after he KO’d the Black Rhino? I remember Tyson tried to back out of the fight within the last week, but was pretty much forced into going through with it. The rumor was that Tyson really hadn’t trained at all, and after the post fight interview, all I could think was that he sure must have been happy that someone with a decent chin wasn’t in the ring that day. He was still sucking wind a few minutes after the fight, and probably didn’t throw more than a few dozen punches.
I do not give credence to what these people say. Personally i do not believe it. I am however willing to relay what I have read when it is relevant to a thread.
That is all this guy robinson is doing...no other agenda to it other than that.
Sorry if it upset you.
They were really close to this fight in 1996 or maybe in 1997. After Lewis loss Morrison had a deal with Don King, he had to win 3 fights to get the bout against Tyson. Morrison was sceduled to fight the first of those three bouts in February against Arthur Weathers. Tommy could win him and a couple more of journeymen up to the fall of 1996, so Tyson fight could take place in the late 1996 or early 1997. Tyson won Bruno in early 1996, maybe he had the fight vs Seldon after that maybe not, but there would definitely have been no talk about Holyfield fight, cause Morrison bout was in the progress of making. But, as we know, Morrison's fight against Weathers was cancelled just the day before it and thus the whole Tommy's career was over.
In mid 90s Tyson was past prime, but he still got something left in. Mike's significant decline started after time off following DQ in the second Holyfield fight. Morrison was past prime after Bentt fight, but in 1995, after Puritty controvesial bout, he seemed to regain some of his conditions. Lewis loss was a throwing out of the elite level for him, so he signed with King to make Tyson fight in a do or die situation with good pay check. So, who knows, on the one hand, he could be motivated as never before trying to gather all left in him, on the other hand, he could just go there for money.
Both Tyson and Morrison were fast starters, but I'm sure, Morrison wouldn't have had a fast start in Tyson fight because of its importance and the danger Tyson could provide. Morrison would have been rational like in Foreman fight. Furthermore, Tommy wasn't a one to be intimidated, so he would have been focused on a methodical game plan. Both were hard punchers, but Tyson obviously had a much better chin, that's also an argument for Tommy's rational approach of fighting. The main question was, how much left in both of them. Who knows? Well, we can assume about Tyson judging his Holyfield fights, but how could Morrison look like after Lewis loss?
All in all, based on what I've said before, I believe, Tyson had big chances to score a KO early, but if Morrison took it in the second half of the fight, he could provide something similar to what Holyfield actually did.
yeah,Morrison's moments would have been depoisting Tyson on his arse and then KO'ing him.
Tyson had fought a bunch of "Mr. Softies".
I remember this being Tommy Morrison's ring entrance music.
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Great song and album. Why did you reference it here?
Tommy Morrison used coming into at least one of his fights I remember watching on either USA Tuesday NIGHT Fights
or ESPN Fights Thats why I remember it. Which fight(s) was it used for ?
He was out on his feet 3 times v Clay-Bey.
