George Forman and David Haye

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:30

overhand_right wrote: I agree he SHOULD be, but you seem to of missed the fact Haye doesnt want to fight at 220, he wants to bulk up to around 240lb.

I've never heard 240 mentioned by Haye, he's always said between 225 and 230 as far as I'm aware

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:38

overhand_right wrote: I agree he SHOULD be, but you seem to of missed the fact Haye doesnt want to fight at 220, he wants to bulk up to around 240lb.

I've never heard 240 mentioned by Haye, he's always said between 225 and 230 as far as I'm aware

Glyn Leach · Post by **Glyn Leach** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:41

... and the bunnymen

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:55

Glyn Leach wrote:... and the bunnymen

.....and the bunnymen..... the bunnymen..the bunnymen

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:55

...chambers....

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Mar 2008, 10:56

Looking at amateur weights is always a good indication, obviously age will play a factor in slow weight gain.

Haye, Solis both fought at 91kg (haye even fought at 81kg).

Byrd fought at 75kg

Lewis was always +91kg plus so i assume he couldnt get under 91kg.
Bowe ditto

Mercer 91kg
Golota 91kg
Krasniqi 91kg
Wlad was gonna fight at 91kg and his brother at +91kg in Atlanta but when Vitali failed the drugs test Wlad fought at +91kg.

Samil Sam 81kg

Glyn Leach · Post by **Glyn Leach** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:00

nice james

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:00

Glad someone got it....

Glyn Leach · Post by **Glyn Leach** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:01

Not talking amateur, talking pro

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:16

Fact is, a few years ago, Haye was making 190. Does anyone here seriously think let's say, Golota, or Rahman could have made 190?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:33

Glyn Leach wrote:Not talking amateur, talking pro

I think we were talking about the size of heavyweight boxers.

I was suggesting that their amateur weights could give an indication of their natural weight....

Ie how Golota/Wlad/ were 200lb amateur and 240lb pros... clearly they aren't naturally that a HUGE and there was some weights/vitamins introduced

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:33

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Fact is, a few years ago, Haye was making 190. Does anyone here seriously think let's say, Golota, or Rahman could have made 190?

No, but I think Ibragimov could have made the raised cruiser limit of 200 lbs.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:41

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Fact is, a few years ago, Haye was making 190. Does anyone here seriously think let's say, Golota, or Rahman could have made 190?

Haye was fighting at 178 as a 19/20 year old...so naturally isnt that big... he is however a SUPERB athlete...very explosive and this sets him apart from most of the other guys.

A 20 year old Golota would have been under 200... Rahman as you suggest is a lump

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:44

Doubt it, he was 217 when he debuted.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:46

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Doubt it, he was 217 when he debuted.

he was a 200lb amateur though in 1988... how old would he have been then?? must be around 19/20??

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 27 Mar 2008, 11:53

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Glad someone got it....

Bear with me, I'm still trying

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:15

knockout wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Doubt it, he was 217 when he debuted.
he was a 200lb amateur though in 1988... how old would he have been then?? must be around 19/20??

Doesn't mean he could make 190 though does it?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:16

Terry D wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Glad someone got it....
Bear with me, I'm still trying
Me too. I thought it was because your post echoed. Echo and the Bunnymen. Apparently not.

Have you never heard of an 'echo chamber?'

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:19

Is that Cleveland Williams?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:19

Is that Cleveland Williams?

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:27

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
knockout wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Doubt it, he was 217 when he debuted.
he was a 200lb amateur though in 1988... how old would he have been then?? must be around 19/20??
Doesn't mean he could make 190 though does it?

didnt say it would... i said he would have been under 200...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:37

Terry D wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Is that Cleveland Williams?
Yeah, they were fooking stonkfests. Not sure who was bigger but Williams looked a big guy and could fight, unlike these clowns today.

Williams was 6' 4" I think and about 230 lbs, massive for his day.

People were shocked when Ali stood in the ring with Liston, and towered over him.

Actually 6'3" and 220.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:40

I hope Haye announces his next fight soonish. But I fear he's going to live it up for another 2 months before we even get word.

He needs to be back fighting in July- what reason does he have not to?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 27 Mar 2008, 12:55

He said 6 months to properly bulk up to heavyweight.

Rahman towards the end of the year is my bet. Although he will have to get a move on, given how inactive the heavies are, I can't see him unifying before he's 31

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 27 Mar 2008, 13:31

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Terry D wrote:
Chambers2 wrote: Bear with me, I'm still trying
Me too. I thought it was because your post echoed. Echo and the Bunnymen. Apparently not.
Have you never heard of an 'echo chamber?'

So thats why Chambers often posts the same thing twice.