MUHAMMAD ALI AKA CASSIUS CLAY

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 02:34

Ok guys.... what do you love or hate about him....

Go....

Use this thread for the man....

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 29 Mar 2008, 03:45

I hate him. He didn't defend his title twenty five times against dead men, he didn't fight Jim Braddock and Primo Carnera, he didn't pretend to fight in World War II, and he didn't do drugs. That's why he's not the greatest.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 03:52

Will Smith isn't my favourite actor

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 29 Mar 2008, 03:57

He's not mine either. That said, Coley Wallace wasn't exactly Marlon Brando.

plopeater · Post by **plopeater** » 29 Mar 2008, 04:03

Ali would not have been the greatest had he fought against the likes of Herbie Hide

Hide 7 TKO

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 29 Mar 2008, 04:06

plopeater wrote:Ali would not have been the greatest had he fought against the likes of Herbie Hide

Hide 7 TKO

Couldn't agree more. Or, forget Hide, can you imagine Ali against Galento? What a massacre that would have been. Galento would have used Ali as a pinata.

Jaybee From The Castle · Post by **Jaybee From The Castle** » 29 Mar 2008, 04:25

I dislike his choice of religion. He actively denied Christ with that choice, and this began during adulthood. And he will pay the ultimate price, though my more fundamentalist brothers in Christ will say he has already started his punishment.

I LOVE his stance against the military.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 29 Mar 2008, 04:37

Well, all kidding aside...

I agree he, as all Muslims, should convert to Christianity. That said, I don't think his Parkinsons has anything to do with it. John Paul II had Parkinsons, so its clearly not a disease reserved for non-believers.

I, for the most part, disagree with his stance against the miltary. I get the point about how black people were being treated at the time, but, in the end, he should have gone. As bad as America was to its minorities, I'd rather be here than in Hanoi serving the Communist Vietcong. But, what can you say, I wonder how much Ali even knew about Communism or about what was going on in Vietnam. Probably not much.

Just like today. These retarded kids will talk about how evil our government is, as if it even compares to the evils of the Jihadist menace we're fighting in Iraq.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 29 Mar 2008, 06:15

Ali Knew enough that his Rights in America were pretty Backwards to and too little to die for

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 06:29

He also stopped eating pork....no bacon. Crazy guy.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 29 Mar 2008, 07:27

He had an album out on the Columbia record Label where he sang "Stand by Me". I think the key was all wrong for him. However "I am the greatest" may have been the first "rap" song. But doing Stand by Me in that key pretty much spelled the end of his singing career.

....Though he did sing better than Joe Frazier.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 07:36

"Try it again" by Frazier was aweosme.

"Stand by me" was well...like you said wrong.

That album I was given agggeees ago...and let me just say
it was very unique.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 29 Mar 2008, 07:45

Though even as the biggest Holmes fan and all that... I can not defend his singing and his band....whatever marmalade

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 29 Mar 2008, 10:47

All joking aside, the reason why I "hate" Muhammad Ali, is in part, due to his religious choice and his very racist remarks throughout the years, with how white people are devils and that how the Nation of Islam was planning on trying to get 10 states out of the Union and try to over take the country, etc...yet he has the gaul to say after 9/11 that Islam is "peace", when his own actions as a young man was nothing short of but being a terrorist.

Second, I guess it isnt so much Ali that I hate, but the fans. No matter what argument you could string together, no matter which way you could ever present it, Ali is always the greatest, never has any flaws, speed was just too huge, was untouchable, was impervious to pain therefore nobody in history could ever knock him out, etc...when the fact of the matter is, he had alot of basic faults as a boxer, certainly wasn't impregnable.

Third, I must say right now that Ali was one of THE sole reasons I began my interest in boxing, and maybe the reason why I have grown to dislike him, is because, as a fan, he didn't live up to my own expectations; and I still feel there is still alot of unanswered questions about him, that will never be known unless someone built a time machine.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 29 Mar 2008, 18:36

I Feel Fine wrote:
plopeater wrote:Ali would not have been the greatest had he fought against the likes of Herbie Hide

Hide 7 TKO
Couldn't agree more. Or, forget Hide, can you imagine Ali against Galento? What a massacre that would have been. Galento would have used Ali as a pinata.

Sonny Banks knocked Ali down with a left hook.

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a left hook.

Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back with a left hook.

Tony Galento had a tremendous left hook.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 29 Mar 2008, 18:37

observer1 wrote:Ali Knew enough that his Rights in America were pretty Backwards to and too little to die for

What would Ali have "died for"?

He would have given exhibitions for the troops.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 29 Mar 2008, 18:40

granberry wrote:
I Feel Fine wrote:
plopeater wrote:Ali would not have been the greatest had he fought against the likes of Herbie Hide

Hide 7 TKO
Couldn't agree more. Or, forget Hide, can you imagine Ali against Galento? What a massacre that would have been. Galento would have used Ali as a pinata.
Sonny Banks knocked Ali down with a left hook.

185 pound Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a left hook.

Joe Frazier knocked Ali flat on his back with a left hook.

Tony Galento had a tremendous left hook.

Hey granberry in your opinion what was Ali's greatest vulnerability? What shot was he most likely to get caught with? Liver shot? Uppercut? Right Cross? just curious.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 29 Mar 2008, 19:00

BoxBuzz wrote: what was Ali's greatest vulnerability? What shot was he most likely to get caught with? Liver shot? Uppercut? Right Cross? just curious.

Ask his 'Parkinsons' doctor.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Mar 2008, 19:46

he should not have argued with british chat show king michael parkinson.
this is karma and then some

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 29 Mar 2008, 19:53

His wives were hot

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 29 Mar 2008, 23:16

I love the guy a lot, but the media and ourselves, the fans, made too much out of him. Some people that DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING THINK HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER THAT EVER LIVED. All was the fault of the media and television coverages. The Ring and Sport Illustrated Magazines have a lot of fault in that, too.

When I started watching boxing, I thought that he was the best of all fighters too. But once I started studying and comparing records of fighters, I have realized that there are MANY GREAT FIGHTERS that were BETTER than he, pound per pound sense, but NEVER got the exposure that he had.

ESPN CLASSIC has also the fault in putting most of his fights on tv. I want to see different fighters for a change. The sport of boxing has TOO MANY LEGENDARY CHAMPIONS than to focus in one man alone, like he invented boxing or something.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 29 Mar 2008, 23:23

ebeneezer wrote:His wives were hot

Well, not his current one, but the first three definitely were.

As for his rating, I don't rank Ali as the best fighter of all time, but I've heard way worse names mentioned. Trinidad, Chavez, Tyson, Marciano, for example. I don't even have them top 10 P4P, much less the best.

As for Galento... yeah, Ali couldn't have taken that heat. No way.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 30 Mar 2008, 00:08

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bjermaine · Post by **bjermaine** » 30 Mar 2008, 00:21

granberry wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote: what was Ali's greatest vulnerability? What shot was he most likely to get caught with? Liver shot? Uppercut? Right Cross? just curious.
Ask his 'Parkinsons' doctor.

this quote sums up you and your thoughts pretty well.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 30 Mar 2008, 00:26

HomicideHenry wrote:when his own actions as a young man was nothing short of but being a terrorist.

How many markets and embassies did Ali bomb?

Your comments about Muslims, or even about people who aren't Muslims but happen to have Arabic names, are ridiculous.

And, I think I speak for most Ali fans on this forum when I say "right back atcha."