Ranking the best lightweights 1970's-present

Arbachakov
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Post by Arbachakov »

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:Whitaker is overrated, he drew against a past-prime and blown up Chavez who was COMING UP in weight. Duran was in his prime as a LW all the way until the 2nd Leonard fight, then he started slipping. Duran would've given him a pounding.
Puh-lease, broham 8)

I assume you haven't seen the Chavez & Ramirez fights of Whitaker's, or at least I do hope you haven't, because both were appalling decisions. Once you sit down & watch these, you'll see a pair of straight-forward Whitaker victories, so you really can't cite those if you are going to argue against him. "No Way, Jose" (it wasn't a reference to Ramirez, either, if that's what you're assuming) during the return with Ramirez might ring a bell with some members here.

Likewise, no excuses for Duran against DeJesus. Duran did not, "develope more" later, he was at his peak, & just wasn't good enough. Hey, it was one night, & Duran later avenged the loss, twice. Good on him. However, DeJesus beat a prime Duran, no two ways about that.

If anything, Duran is the oversold fighter who has abilities bestowed upon him he either didn't possess, or didn't to the extent of which they are spoken of. Whitaker is hardly discussed at all next to how often Duran is (& Duran's status, like Ali's, is overblown, as brilliant as each of them were). Whitaker'd just be plain too clever for Duran. DeJesus was a great fighter, but not in Whitaker's league. Benitez was a great fighter, though not in Whitaker's league, either.

This much, & one thing more. At no weight or age does Chavez ever beat Whitaker.
No, he wasn't at his peak.His technical skills and especially defence improved considerably by the mid to late 70s.

That said, he was already a great fighter by the Buchanan bout.

Whitaker is discussed plenty.He gets far more mentions than a lot of other excellent pure boxers like Canto, Zapata and Locche.
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Goodnight, Irene wrote:Likewise, no excuses for Duran against DeJesus. Duran did not, "develope more" later, he was at his peak, & just wasn't good enough. Hey, it was one night, & Duran later avenged the loss, twice. Good on him. However, DeJesus beat a prime Duran, no two ways about that.
That I disagree with. Duran was not at his best when he fought DeJesus the first time. Duran developed as a fighter and became much better after that, and he tore DeJesus apart in the rematches. In the rematches, Duran showed better defense, threw his left hand more, didn't telegraph punches, threw great combinations, and showed much better stamina than DeJesus. He almost killed him in the third fight.

As arbachakov just said, Duran was already a great fighter in '72, coming off his win over Buchanan, but that doesn't mean he didn't get better.
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Post by Flump »

p4p1 wrote:
Goodnight, Irene wrote:
Flump wrote: Lol, I'll be sat here waiting mate!
Flump, is it just me, or do you also get the feeling, somehow, some way, you will be asked again, on this date five years down the line? :lol:
i honestly wouldnt be suprised
Neither would I gents. More worryingly I left Chavez off my list, schoolboy error.
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plopeater wrote:1824 days to go
lol
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