kikibalt wrote:
Raul "Raton" Macias (L)
2007
Raton Macias.
Thats Illinois referee Gino Rodriguez in the background there.
Frank what venue is that?
Must have been a card in these parts.
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Nice post. Like Rick's, those things happen suddenly. Maybe they're in the back of your mind,but then bam it happens, and it's over. I asked Ronnie Wilson about his fight with Kid Heilman. He didn't say much. Now I know why. After that,Heilman didn't fight anymore.
Andy Heilman's previous fight may have been the reason for the strange ending of his fial bout; six months before Heilman called it quits against Ron Wilson he fought Nate Collins in Oakland and was knocked down in the second round, the only time he had been knocked down in his 52 bout career. In an old article that I was able to find, long time boxing writer Eddie Muller, reported that Heilman asked manager Jackie McCoy after the fight, "did I really get knocked down?" Muller also reported that Heilman never seem to come out of a dazed condition and that three times during the fight he went to the wrong corner at the rounds end. Heilman also received 12 stiches on the bridge of his nose and yet lost only a split decision, Muller had it 7-4 for Collins. Collins was a tall middleweight at six feet with good boxing skills who lost many of his fights waiting for the right opening to strike with his devestating power, especially with the right hand in which he hit Heilman with. Collins had KOed former champ, Joey Giardello, knocked Lonnie Harris out of the ring and out for the count and ended Philadelphia's Eugene Hart's 22 fight win streak with 21 KO's when he got off the floor to KO him in the 7th round of their fight in Philly. Collins described the punch he hit Heilman with as, "the hardest punch he ever hit anybody with". I also read somewhere that Heilman suffered from a pretty bad concussion from the blow.
Andy Heilman's previous fight may have been the reason for the strange ending of his fial bout; six months before Heilman called it quits against Ron Wilson he fought Nate Collins in Oakland and was knocked down in the second round, the only time he had been knocked down in his 52 bout career. In an old article that I was able to find, long time boxing writer Eddie Muller, reported that Heilman asked manager Jackie McCoy after the fight, "did I really get knocked down?" Muller also reported that Heilman never seem to come out of a dazed condition and that three times during the fight he went to the wrong corner at the rounds end. Heilman also received 12 stiches on the bridge of his nose and yet lost only a split decision, Muller had it 7-4 for Collins. Collins was a tall middleweight at six feet with good boxing skills who lost many of his fights waiting for the right opening to strike with his devestating power, especially with the right hand in which he hit Heilman with. Collins had KOed former champ, Joey Giardello, knocked Lonnie Harris out of the ring and out for the count and ended Philadelphia's Eugene Hart's 22 fight win streak with 21 KO's when he got off the floor to KO him in the 7th round of their fight in Philly. Collins described the punch he hit Heilman with as, "the hardest punch he ever hit anybody with". I also read somewhere that Heilman suffered from a pretty bad concussion from the blow.
B&W,Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Nice post. Like Rick's, those things happen suddenly. Maybe they're in the back of your mind,but then bam it happens, and it's over. I asked Ronnie Wilson about his fight with Kid Heilman. He didn't say much. Now I know why. After that,Heilman didn't fight anymore.
Andy Heilman's previous fight may have been the reason for the strange ending of his fial bout; six months before Heilman called it quits against Ron Wilson he fought Nate Collins in Oakland and was knocked down in the second round, the only time he had been knocked down in his 52 bout career. In an old article that I was able to find, long time boxing writer Eddie Muller, reported that Heilman asked manager Jackie McCoy after the fight, "did I really get knocked down?" Muller also reported that Heilman never seem to come out of a dazed condition and that three times during the fight he went to the wrong corner at the rounds end. Heilman also received 12 stiches on the bridge of his nose and yet lost only a split decision, Muller had it 7-4 for Collins. Collins was a tall middleweight at six feet with good boxing skills who lost many of his fights waiting for the right opening to strike with his devestating power, especially with the right hand in which he hit Heilman with. Collins had KOed former champ, Joey Giardello, knocked Lonnie Harris out of the ring and out for the count and ended Philadelphia's Eugene Hart's 22 fight win streak with 21 KO's when he got off the floor to KO him in the 7th round of their fight in Philly. Collins described the punch he hit Heilman with as, "the hardest punch he ever hit anybody with". I also read somewhere that Heilman suffered from a pretty bad concussion from the blow.
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Lonnie Harris
Pugs,Expug wrote:kikibalt wrote:
Raul "Raton" Macias (L)
2007
Raton Macias.
Thats Illinois referee Gino Rodriguez in the background there.
Frank what venue is that?
Must have been a card in these parts.
That photo was send to me by Juan Ayllon who covers the fights in your state and near-by states for the CBZ, I don't know what venue it was shot at, I do know that it was some where in Illinois.
Frankie Baltazar
I never talk much about my sons boxing career's, but this one time I'm going to talk about Frankie's early career, his opponents were not great fighters by any stretch of the imagination, but one thing they did have was lots of experience, Jackie McCoy and I had a hard time getting Frankie fights with the top guys, Samuel Serrano's people kept saying that they would sign for a title fight, they never did, even after the Limon fight we still couldn't get the top guys to fight frankie, you would think that after losing to Limon the top guys would be willing to fight Frankie.
Memin Vega had over 60 fights when Frankie had 7 when they fought.
Francisco Villegas also had a ton of fights, he had fought Serrano a few times, Frankie had 8 or 9 fight when he fought him.
Shig Fukuyama had stopped Danny Lopez a fight or two before Frankie fought him, after that fight Shig gave Sean O'Grady a scare.
Ernesto Herrera had fougt Eusebio Pedroza for the title a fight or two before he fought Frankie.
Frankie beat all of the above mentioned fighters
The Verderosa thing certainly bears you out, Frankie. Presumably, Frank Jnr could whack.kikibalt wrote:
Frankie Baltazar
I never talk much about my sons boxing career's, but this one time I'm going to talk about Frankie's early career, his opponents were not great fighters by any stretch of the imagination, but one thing they did have was lots of experience, Jackie McCoy and I had a hard time getting Frankie fights with the top guys, Samuel Serrano's people kept saying that they would sign for a title fight, they never did, even after the Limon fight we still couldn't get the top guys to fight frankie, you would think that after losing to Limon the top guys would be willing to fight Frankie.
Memin Vega had over 60 fights when Frankie had 7 when they fought.
Francisco Villegas also had a ton of fights, he had fought Serrano a few times, Frankie had 8 or 9 fight when he fought him.
Shig Fukuyama had stopped Danny Lopez a fight or two before Frankie fought him, after that fight Shig gave Sean O'Grady a scare.
Ernesto Herrera had fougt Eusebio Pedroza for the title a fight or two before he fought Frankie.
Frankie beat all of the above mentioned fighters
How would you compare Frankie and Tony?
Incidentally, back on to the subject of Ken Buchanan: he works as a carpenter in Glasgow in relative anonymity. He was once on a building site and someone did recognise him and asked him for his autograph. A younger worker on the site watched all of this and told Ken: "You must be one hell of a f ucking carpenter."
Bennie,bennie wrote:The Verderosa thing certainly bears you out, Frankie. Presumably, Frank Jnr could whack.kikibalt wrote:
Frankie Baltazar
I never talk much about my sons boxing career's, but this one time I'm going to talk about Frankie's early career, his opponents were not great fighters by any stretch of the imagination, but one thing they did have was lots of experience, Jackie McCoy and I had a hard time getting Frankie fights with the top guys, Samuel Serrano's people kept saying that they would sign for a title fight, they never did, even after the Limon fight we still couldn't get the top guys to fight frankie, you would think that after losing to Limon the top guys would be willing to fight Frankie.
Memin Vega had over 60 fights when Frankie had 7 when they fought.
Francisco Villegas also had a ton of fights, he had fought Serrano a few times, Frankie had 8 or 9 fight when he fought him.
Shig Fukuyama had stopped Danny Lopez a fight or two before Frankie fought him, after that fight Shig gave Sean O'Grady a scare.
Ernesto Herrera had fougt Eusebio Pedroza for the title a fight or two before he fought Frankie.
Frankie beat all of the above mentioned fighters
How would you compare Frankie and Tony?
Frankie and Tony were two completely differed fighters, Frankie has fast hands and with good combinations, especially inside, he also had a decent punch.
Tony, on the other hand was a one punch ko artist, great left hook, and that was his problem, he would forget he had also had a good right hand.
I had 3 sons who fought pro, and would you belive that all 3 were left handed? Tony was a converted southpaw.
THAT is a great story!bennie wrote:Incidentally, back on to the subject of Ken Buchanan: he works as a carpenter in Glasgow in relative anonymity. He was once on a building site and someone did recognise him and asked him for his autograph. A younger worker on the site watched all of this and told Ken: "You must be one hell of a f ucking carpenter."
Thanks to the good offices of their Dad, I've been blessed to see several dvds of Frank, Jr. and Tony in their primes.kikibalt wrote:Bennie,bennie wrote:The Verderosa thing certainly bears you out, Frankie. Presumably, Frank Jnr could whack.kikibalt wrote:
Frankie Baltazar
I never talk much about my sons boxing career's, but this one time I'm going to talk about Frankie's early career, his opponents were not great fighters by any stretch of the imagination, but one thing they did have was lots of experience, Jackie McCoy and I had a hard time getting Frankie fights with the top guys, Samuel Serrano's people kept saying that they would sign for a title fight, they never did, even after the Limon fight we still couldn't get the top guys to fight frankie, you would think that after losing to Limon the top guys would be willing to fight Frankie.
Memin Vega had over 60 fights when Frankie had 7 when they fought.
Francisco Villegas also had a ton of fights, he had fought Serrano a few times, Frankie had 8 or 9 fight when he fought him.
Shig Fukuyama had stopped Danny Lopez a fight or two before Frankie fought him, after that fight Shig gave Sean O'Grady a scare.
Ernesto Herrera had fougt Eusebio Pedroza for the title a fight or two before he fought Frankie.
Frankie beat all of the above mentioned fighters
How would you compare Frankie and Tony?
Frankie and Tony were two completely differed fighters, Frankie has fast hands and with good combinations, especially inside, he also had a decent punch.
Tony, on the other hand was a one punch ko artist, great left hook, and that was his problem, he would forget he had also had a good right hand.
I had 3 sons who fought pro, and would you belive that all 3 were left handed? Tony was a converted southpaw.
In my opinion, Tony was more of a banger, with a terrific left hook.
But Frankie, I think, was a much better boxer technically. A very smart fighter - very economical with his punches. By that, I mean he threw smart punches, and didn't waste punches. Good defense.
Well said Tom.raylawpc wrote:Thanks to the good offices of their Dad, I've been blessed to see several dvds of Frank, Jr. and Tony in their primes.kikibalt wrote:Bennie,bennie wrote: The Verderosa thing certainly bears you out, Frankie. Presumably, Frank Jnr could whack.
How would you compare Frankie and Tony?
Frankie and Tony were two completely differed fighters, Frankie has fast hands and with good combinations, especially inside, he also had a decent punch.
Tony, on the other hand was a one punch ko artist, great left hook, and that was his problem, he would forget he had also had a good right hand.
I had 3 sons who fought pro, and would you belive that all 3 were left handed? Tony was a converted southpaw.
In my opinion, Tony was more of a banger, with a terrific left hook.
But Frankie, I think, was a much better boxer technically. A very smart fighter - very economical with his punches. By that, I mean he threw smart punches, and didn't waste punches. Good defense.
Why did Bobby drop off the radar?kikibalt wrote:Well said Tom.raylawpc wrote:Thanks to the good offices of their Dad, I've been blessed to see several dvds of Frank, Jr. and Tony in their primes.kikibalt wrote: Bennie,
Frankie and Tony were two completely differed fighters, Frankie has fast hands and with good combinations, especially inside, he also had a decent punch.
Tony, on the other hand was a one punch ko artist, great left hook, and that was his problem, he would forget he had also had a good right hand.
I had 3 sons who fought pro, and would you belive that all 3 were left handed? Tony was a converted southpaw.
In my opinion, Tony was more of a banger, with a terrific left hook.
But Frankie, I think, was a much better boxer technically. A very smart fighter - very economical with his punches. By that, I mean he threw smart punches, and didn't waste punches. Good defense.
He fell in love and got married, got a job, and that was it for his boxing career.bennie wrote:Why did Bobby drop off the radar?kikibalt wrote:Well said Tom.raylawpc wrote: Thanks to the good offices of their Dad, I've been blessed to see several dvds of Frank, Jr. and Tony in their primes.
In my opinion, Tony was more of a banger, with a terrific left hook.
But Frankie, I think, was a much better boxer technically. A very smart fighter - very economical with his punches. By that, I mean he threw smart punches, and didn't waste punches. Good defense.
His record, w6/5ko's=6 fights
Yeah, that's too funny. I once had the pleasure of having dinner with Mr. Buchanan--at the banquet the night before the World Boxing Hall of Fame induction ceremony, Oct. 2000, in Los Angeles. We shared a table. (I took a photo of him reading through a home-made souvenir book I had created for my grandfather, Pete Sanstol, who was being inducted.) He was a very pleasant and charming fellow.raylawpc wrote:THAT is a great story!bennie wrote:Incidentally, back on to the subject of Ken Buchanan: he works as a carpenter in Glasgow in relative anonymity. He was once on a building site and someone did recognise him and asked him for his autograph. A younger worker on the site watched all of this and told Ken: "You must be one hell of a f ucking carpenter."
