GRANBERRY: You are right again!!!

[Collins2000]

Collie (TVI),
Good to know that you laughed at my scoring. More validation that I scored it correctly.

Davey, NO ONE apart from Elma (who hasn't actually seen the fight) and granberry (whose opinion doesn't really count for obvious reasons) agrees with you giving Ali only one round in the 2nd Norton fight.

ONE ROUND!

hahahahah, that new guy plopeater has more cred than you.

PS Do you really think I care that you call me The Village Idiot?

At least they don't call me granberry's spawn.

[DaveV17]

Collie wrote:"PS Do you really think I care that you call me The Village Idiot?"

Yep, you wouldn't mention it if you didn't care. Whiner.

[Collins2000]

Collie wrote:"PS Do you really think I care that you call me The Village Idiot?"

Yep, you wouldn't mention it if you didn't care. Winner.

Hahahahaha, please, from now on, call me TVI. I insist.

1 round for Ali in the 2nd Norton fight qualifies you to talk down to other posters, Davey. We do make allowances for pinheads in here.

TVI

[Goodnight, Irene]

Irrefutable fact:

granberry is the only poster to be labelled a crank on "the greatest thread ever".

Comments from the west coast thread which boxrec's resident snake collins 'missed':

Granberry-

Good stuff amigo!

-Rick Farris

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Granberry,

Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!

As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.

This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.

Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.

-Rick

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Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.

Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.

He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.

And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.

WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.

This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.

I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however, it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.

I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.

-Rick

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Granberry,

That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?

What have they been saying lately, amigo?

[kikibalt]

Irrefutable fact:

granberry is the only poster to be labelled a crank on "the greatest thread ever".

Comments from the west coast thread which boxrec's resident snake collins 'missed':

Granberry-

Good stuff amigo!

-Rick Farris

______________________________________________________

Granberry,

Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!

As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.

This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.

Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.

-Rick

__________________________________________________

This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.

I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however, it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.

I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.

-Rick

______________________________________________________

Granberry,

That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?

What have they been saying lately, amigo?

Six of one, half-dozen of the other, thats what they're saying.

[Collins2000]

Waffle, waffle, waffle.

Irrefutable fact:

granberry is the only poster to be labelled a crank on "the greatest thread ever".

What have they been saying lately, amigo?

Ignore him, Frankie. They say the emptiest make the most noise.

And that is it. They cut the clown off at his knees. We could do the same...

[Goodnight, Irene]

I could go back & forth on Gran, to be honest. If you take a look at someone like, say, Jaybee From The Castle, that's someone I would ban in an instant, were it up to me. I do get a kick out of Gran, because he's the perfect embodiment of the foibles of absolute conviction --- the man who thinks he knows it all, knows nothing, etc. but on the other hand, people have started to point out he turns every thread into something anti-Ali, & I do agree it's hurt the forum.

I think we should keep him, but just start zapping his more contentious anti-Ali diatribes. Keep him on a short leash, & all.

[Collins2000]

I could go back & forth on Gran, to be honest. If you take a look at someone like, say, Jaybee From The Castle, that's someone I would ban in an instant, were it up to me. I do get a kick out of Gran, because he's the perfect embodiment of the foibles of absolute conviction --- the man who thinks he knows it all, knows nothing, etc. but on the other hand, people have started to point out he turns every thread into something anti-Ali, & I do agree it's hurt the forum.

I think we should keep him, but just start zapping his more contentious anti-Ali diatribes. Keep him on a short leash, & all.

The problem is that some posts are borderline and we'd then be arguing about which ones are worth keeping etc.

I say just ban the old bitch like they did to Decagon when he went mad.

[Robinson]

Goodnight Irene...

but he is from a castle.

[p4p1]

he should get more of his posts zapped as everytime he posts he starts a name calling game

[BoxBuzz]

If no one responded to granny all he would be is an odd opinion.

I have a challenge for you....and I'm not certain how it will turn out.

Show me ONE contribution where granny lashed out at someone who did not sort of antagonize him. I say this because I know I have antagonized him by doing more than challenging his opinion. When I have said I simply disagree he has not transgressed....but when I got sarcastic or made fun of his position he struck back. Sometimes unfairly but I think I have typically tweaked him and THEN he struck back....like someone with a bit of head injury...by that I mean with more force than was likely called for by my initial jab.

So I find him guilty of nothing more than eccentricity. No rule against that. There are just as many or more folks here who are as pro Ali as he is Anti Ali. (He accuses me of being one of THOSE people)

So whaddya say we just enjoy "diversity" here and not be too quick to attempt to run him out of town. His main offense is that he has strong opinions and barks back when you challenge them. So what? I'm not at all sure I can accuse him of "knowing nothing about boxing" as some of us do. In fact he appears to know much, and he just often confuses fact with opinion, (and that's just my opinion)....something not uncommon amongst our more senior citizenry.

[I Feel Fine]

I don't really engage in these debates because of granberry or elmer or dave. I just figure that it would be a shame if someone new to boxing read some of their posts, and decided "wow, maybe Ali wasn't any good."

Keep in mind, folks, that Louis and Holmes and other fighters that these guys love also got gift decisions, and in similar circumstances. And some of their claims are exaggerations; Ali deserved the decisions in the Jones and second Norton fights. No one here has denied that Clay/Ali was knocked down by Cooper and Frazier, though some here have ignored that Louis was knocked down more than twice as many times as Ali was, and some have even tried to deny that Frazier was stopped by Ali; a detail more significant than any mere knockdown.

So, grasshoppers, just watch the fights, don't be influenced by anything you read on the internet.

You guys have fun with this thread.

[BoxBuzz]

I don't really engage in these debates because of granberry or elmer or dave. I just figure that it would be a shame if someone new to boxing read some of their posts, and decided "wow, maybe Ali wasn't any good."

Keep in mind, folks, that Louis and Holmes and other fighters that these guys love also got gift decisions, and in similar circumstances. And some of their claims are exaggerations; Ali deserved the decisions in the Jones and second Norton fights. No one here has denied that Clay/Ali was knocked down by Cooper and Frazier, though some here have ignored that Louis was knocked down more than twice as many times as Ali was, and some have even tried to deny that Frazier was stopped by Ali; a detail more significant than any mere knockdown.

So, grasshoppers, just watch the fights, don't be influenced by anything you read on the internet.

You guys have fun with this thread.

That's the beauty of it....the honest record speaks for itself. So anyone with an honest interest and a bit of curiosity will not likely be fooled. And the few that are.....well they will follow the pied piper and so be it.

[Collins2000]

If no one responded to granny all he would be is an odd opinion.

I have a challenge for you....and I'm not certain how it will turn out.

Show me ONE contribution where granny lashed out at someone who did not sort of antagonize him.

How about when I asked him why he (rightfully) claimed Ali's victory over Frazier was by TKO (rather than KO) but then claimed Saddlers corner retirement wins over Pep were full KO's?

To which the great man replied:

Ali shill collins never misses an opportunity to shill for his Ali.


The guy is a boring old bitch.

And, unlike you and the two lickspittles with your claims that granberry is a boxing expert, he hasn't fooled any of the real boxing guys in the greatest thread ever has he? They call him Nutberry!

[BoxBuzz]

If no one responded to granny all he would be is an odd opinion.

I have a challenge for you....and I'm not certain how it will turn out.

Show me ONE contribution where granny lashed out at someone who did not sort of antagonize him.

How about when I asked him why he (rightfully) claimed Ali's victory over Frazier was by TKO (rather than KO) but then claimed Saddlers corner retirement wins over Pep were full KO's?

To which the great man replied:

Ali shill collins never misses an opportunity to shill for his Ali.


The guy is a boring old bitch.

And, unlike you and the two lickspittles with your claims that granberry is a boxing expert, he hasn't fooled any of the real boxing guys in the greatest thread ever has he? They call him Nutberry!

Well I did say he was eccentric....so I covered that.

So to claim that someone has some boxing knowledge as I did with granberry is to proclaim them as an "expert"? Wouldn't that then include you? You old Ali shill.

Not many of us can claim the rich array of knowledge demonstrated in the west coast boxing thread. However I can claim to have at least sat my butt down a few times in those west coast venues and enjoyed some of the very events of which they speak. Might of rubbed shoulders with a few of those contributors possibly more than once.

Not an expert....but a genuine spectator..oh and enthusiast.....that's me. You busted me when I claimed to be a novice historian and I of course saw the error of my ways and have since repented. I'll leave the expertion to the granberrys ....oh and the Collin's of the world. I'm just here to learn.

That you called a bluff or two in your time is certainly impressive. That's why I still get my notebook out whenever I see you've dropped in.

Collin's your another one I think has earned your keep here though you find pleasure in your own special brand of boatrockin' bazz bashin' and buzz baiting.

[granberry]

The feminine contingent of boxrec,

collins and her twin irene, p4, ifeelfine, and their 'moderator' enabler buzz,

fill up this thread started on the Jimmy Young-Ali fight with post after post having nothing to do with that fight, nothing to do with boxing,

and displaying their feminine fixation on their own petty dislikes.

These girls are in the process of completely destroying boxrec.

[Collins2000]

If no one responded to granny all he would be is an odd opinion.

I have a challenge for you....and I'm not certain how it will turn out.

Show me ONE contribution where granny lashed out at someone who did not sort of antagonize him.

How about when I asked him why he (rightfully) claimed Ali's victory over Frazier was by TKO (rather than KO) but then claimed Saddlers corner retirement wins over Pep were full KO's?

To which the great man replied:

Ali shill collins never misses an opportunity to shill for his Ali.


The guy is a boring old bitch.

And, unlike you and the two lickspittles with your claims that granberry is a boxing expert, he hasn't fooled any of the real boxing guys in the greatest thread ever has he? They call him Nutberry!

Well I did say he was eccentric....so I covered that.

So to claim that someone has some boxing knowledge as I did with granberry is to proclaim them as an "expert"? Wouldn't that then include you? You old Ali shill.

Not many of us can claim the rich array of knowledge demonstrated in the west coast boxing thread. However I can claim to have at least sat my butt down a few times in those west coast venues and enjoyed some of the very events of which they speak. Might of rubbed shoulders with a few of those contributors possibly more than once.

Not an expert....but a genuine spectator..oh and enthusiast.....that's me. You busted me when I claimed to be a novice historian and I of course saw the error of my ways and have since repented. I'll leave the expertion to the granberrys ....oh and the Collin's of the world. I'm just here to learn.

That you called a bluff or two in your time is certainly impressive. That's why I still get my notebook out whenever I see you've dropped in.

Collin's your another one I think has earned your keep here though you find pleasure in your own special brand of boatrockin' bazz bashin' and buzz baiting.

But I did win the challenge didn't I?

Find a time where the great man went apeshit over nothing more than someone refusing to be browbeaten by him.

That was the challenge wasn't it?

There are dozens more examples but you already know that.

Anyway I don't really want the old bitch banned. I prefer to watch him being humiliated on here on a daily basis. I especially enjoy it in "the greatest thread ever" when they cut him down to size with a couple of hard jabs. It's lovely! Real boxing guys exposing him as nothing more than a blowhard old fraud.

And I know I am a valuable addition to this site, Buzz. I don't need you to tell me that. But thanks anyway. I think you are a good moderator. An improvement on what we have had in the past. anyway.

I have NEVER had a slanging match with any of the reasonable posters here. Just with the eejits who are incapable of discussion and mistake opinion for fact. You know the sort...

[Collins2000]

The feminine contingent of boxrec,

collins and her twin irene, p4, ifeelfine, and their 'moderator' enabler buzz,

fill up this thread started on the Jimmy Young-Ali fight with post after post having nothing to do with that fight, nothing to do with boxing,

and displaying their feminine fixation on their own petty dislikes.

These girls are in the process of completely destroying boxrec.

Listen up you old bitch.

From this day forth you will refer to me as The Village Idiot or TVI.

Message ends.

[granberry]

collins, the poisonous feminine snake of boxrec,

has never made a post on the subject of boxing.

And she never will.

[Goodnight, Irene]

If no one responded to granny all he would be is an odd opinion.

I have a challenge for you....and I'm not certain how it will turn out.

Show me ONE contribution where granny lashed out at someone who did not sort of antagonize him. I say this because I know I have antagonized him by doing more than challenging his opinion. When I have said I simply disagree he has not transgressed....but when I got sarcastic or made fun of his position he struck back. Sometimes unfairly but I think I have typically tweaked him and THEN he struck back....like someone with a bit of head injury...by that I mean with more force than was likely called for by my initial jab.

So I find him guilty of nothing more than eccentricity. No rule against that. There are just as many or more folks here who are as pro Ali as he is Anti Ali. (He accuses me of being one of THOSE people)

So whaddya say we just enjoy "diversity" here and not be too quick to attempt to run him out of town. His main offense is that he has strong opinions and barks back when you challenge them. So what? I'm not at all sure I can accuse him of "knowing nothing about boxing" as some of us do. In fact he appears to know much, and he just often confuses fact with opinion, (and that's just my opinion)....something not uncommon amongst our more senior citizenry.

Someone asked something about Dempsey, & I responded, citing a documentary, but I said it was one from the 80's whose name escaped me, & his interjection was, "A lot escapes you."

He disagreed with my opinion on Dempsey, but couldn't help throw the first punch. Something tells me that isn't the only example, either.

I don't think I've seen anyone argue Collins, or Robinson, myself, or Buzz etc are hurting the BOTP forum, though I keep hearing it from different posters in response to Gran.

[granberry]

The feminine coffee clatch continues.

Not a WORD about boxing from collins, her girl irene, or the rest of their feminine contingent.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The feminine coffee clatch continues.

Not a WORD about boxing from collins, her girl irene, or the rest of their feminine contingent.

...& then, posts like this make me want to keep him

[Collins2000]

The feminine coffee clatch continues.

Not a WORD about boxing from collins, her girl irene, or the rest of their feminine contingent.

...& then, posts like this make me want to keep him

As long as he's around no one else need worry about being labelled the dumbest arsewipe on here!

[granberry]

collins and her girl irene work in tandem destroying boxrec,

with the blessing of 'moderator' buzz.

[DaveV17]

Granberry, those last 3 posts you wrote are some of the funniest and best I have ever read. You have created an image for me of Collie, Irene, and IFF. I have no idea of their gender, but now I see Collie as Rosie O'Donnell, Irene as Barbara Walters, and IFF as Dr. Phil. The Coffee Clatch - hilarious.