British Top 30 P4P April 2008

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:00

1. (1.) Joe Calzaghe
2. (2.) Ricky Hatton
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Junior Witter
5. (5.) Clinton Woods
6. (6.) Alex Arthur
7. (7.) Enzo Maccarinelli
8. (8.) Carl Froch
9. (9.) Scott Harrison
10. (11.) Jamie Moore

11. (12.) Nicky Cook
12. (10.) Gavin Rees
13. (NE.) Rendall Munroe
14. (13.) Bernard Dunne
15. (14.) Matt Skelton
16. (15.) John Duddy
17. (16.) Colin Lynes
18. (17.) Amir Khan
19. (18.) Wayne Elcock
20. (NE.) Kevin Mitchell

21. (19.) Wayne McCullough
22. (21.) Kevin McIntyre
23. (24.) Jonathan Thaxton
24. (NE.) David Barnes
25. (23.) Carl Johanneson
26. (25.) Howard Eastman
27. (26.) Tony Oakey
28. (27.) Michael Jennings
29. (28.) Bradley Pryce
30. (29.) Ian Napa

Out - (20.) Ted Bami
Out - (22.) Michael Hunter - Retired
Out - (30.) John Simpson

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:00

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:19

No thanks...

Asterix · Post by **Asterix** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:27

Captain Hook wrote:No thanks...

Yeah, lol.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:28

Ok just a couple of things I would change without mentioning Scott Harrison

Munroe has maybe entered too highly, not sure i'd have him above the likes of Lynes (too low) but then he has to go aboe Dunne so I can see why you've done it

Mitchell would have entered slightly higher, Skelton's name just looks a bit odd being that high. Wayne McCullough last won a fight 3.5 years ago, he has looked shot for about 5 years - how does he make it on still? At least with Harrison he didn't lose his title in the ring, what excuse does Wayne have? Being slightly competitive with Larios 3 years ago?

Gooner123 · Post by **Gooner123** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:32

IMO Ian Napa shouldn't be on that list, its only a matter of time until he loses his belt in a weight class that lacks class.

Also whose the Irish guy who pulls in big crowds in the states and has a 100% record, I saw him a while back fighting but his name has deserted my memory!

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:35

Amateur Internationals P4P

Frankie Gavin (GBR) WC
Joseph Murray (GBR)
Bradley Saunders (GBR)
James Degale (GBR)
Kennet Egan (IRL)
Darren Sutherland (IRL)
Billy Joe Saunders (GBR)
Daniel Price (GBR)
David Price (GBR)
Stephen Smith (GBR)

Paddy Barnes (IRL)
Thomas Stalker (GBR)
Darren O'Neil (IRL)
John Joe Joyce (IRL)
Khalid Saeed Yafai (GBR)
Roy Sheehan (IRL)
Fundo Mhura (GBR)
Neil Perkins (GBR)
Tony Jeffries (GBR)
Cathal McMonagle (IRL)

John Joe Nevin (IRL)
Darren Langley (GBR)
George Groves (GBR)
Conor Ahern (IRL)
Callum Johnson (GBR)
Stephen Simmons (GBR)
Carl Frampton (IRL)
Ryan Lindberg (IRL)
Luke Campbell (GBR)
Paul Butler (GBR)

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 01 Apr 2008, 10:40

Gooner123 wrote:IMO Ian Napa shouldn't be on that list, its only a matter of time until he loses his belt in a weight class that lacks class.

Also whose the Irish guy who pulls in big crowds in the states and has a 100% record, I saw him a while back fighting but his name has deserted my memory!

Duddy is in there pal, Lockett isn't, but there are numerous fighters in there who should not be.

Gooner123 · Post by **Gooner123** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:12

Captain Hook wrote:
Gooner123 wrote:IMO Ian Napa shouldn't be on that list, its only a matter of time until he loses his belt in a weight class that lacks class.

Also whose the Irish guy who pulls in big crowds in the states and has a 100% record, I saw him a while back fighting but his name has deserted my memory!
Duddy is in there pal, Lockett isn't, but there are numerous fighters in there who should not be.

Duddy, thats his name, I was really impressed with him. I wonder if he boxed in the UK more, we'd here more about him and he'd be ranked alot higher.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:17

Think the two Middleweight fighters in your list are a little high.

Also just wonder - what about Jason Cook. Ex European champion now declared that he is coming back... so really is more active than McCullough.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:17

He wouldn't because he's very limited and will soon get found out.

Nice guy though, if he does get any success I would be happy for him..

Gooner123 · Post by **Gooner123** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:22

Captain Hook wrote:He wouldn't because he's very limited and will soon get found out.

Nice guy though, if he does get any success I would be happy for him..

Well I've only watched him once so your probably a better judge, but he's the type of fighter who sells tickets, if I remember he doesn't have a guard up does he?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:27

Gooner123 wrote:
Captain Hook wrote:He wouldn't because he's very limited and will soon get found out.

Nice guy though, if he does get any success I would be happy for him..
Well I've only watched him once so your probably a better judge, but he's the type of fighter who sells tickets, if I remember he doesn't have a guard up does he?

Think of Rocky 1, 2, 3, and 4 rolled into 1 show, without the dramatic ending, footwork or movement.

John Duddy is good at blocking shots....................with his head.

But hats off..... hes making the most with what hes got!

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:41

Asterix wrote:
Captain Hook wrote:No thanks...
Yeah, lol.

What's all this about?

Captain Hook, do you still think Maccarinelli should be above Arthur?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:43

I would have Haye above Hatton. He has as good as cleaned out a whole division something Hatton has never done. And done it spectacularly. He is the number 1 Cruiserweight without any shadow of a doubt, can the same be said for Hit 'n Hold at 140?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 01 Apr 2008, 11:50

Wayne McCullough not fought since 2005, a KO loss. can't see how you can still rate him until he fights again.

Tony Oakey is a bit low. He may not be everyones cup of tea, but on a good run, and should be above Eastman, McCullough and Johanneson

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 01 Apr 2008, 12:04

nickd wrote:I would have Haye above Hatton. He has as good as cleaned out a whole division something Hatton has never done. And done it spectacularly. He is the number 1 Cruiserweight without any shadow of a doubt, can the same be said for Hit 'n Hold at 140?

I'm sure Steve Cunnigham wouldn't agree.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 12:13

Lenny wrote:Ok just a couple of things I would change without mentioning Scott Harrison

Munroe has maybe entered too highly, not sure i'd have him above the likes of Lynes (too low) but then he has to go aboe Dunne so I can see why you've done it

Yes, I did not want to enter Munroe so highly, but I felt that he should be above Dunne.

Lenny wrote:Mitchell would have entered slightly higher, Skelton's name just looks a bit odd being that high.

I could have put Mitchell higher but, since he has just entered the list, I thought I would be conservative and not put him in too highly.

Skelton is the clear number one British Heavyweight and is about to fight for the European title, so I don't really think he is overrated in my list.

Lenny wrote:Wayne McCullough last won a fight 3.5 years ago, he has looked shot for about 5 years - how does he make it on still? At least with Harrison he didn't lose his title in the ring, what excuse does Wayne have? Being slightly competitive with Larios 3 years ago?

McCullough has not retired so according to my rules I cannot just take him out. Wayne dropped two places this month, so he won't be in the list forever.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 12:50

Gooner123 wrote:IMO Ian Napa shouldn't be on that list, its only a matter of time until he loses his belt in a weight class that lacks class.

Napa deserves his place in my opinion, he is on a good run of form beating: Booth, Haskins and Power; if anything he is ranked too low.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 13:39

Captain Hook wrote:Duddy is in there pal, Lockett isn't, but there are numerous fighters in there who should not be.

Why mention Lockett? Who are these numerous fighters who should not be there? Do you care to name them?

Gooner123 wrote:Duddy, thats his name, I was really impressed with him. I wonder if he boxed in the UK more, we'd here more about him and he'd be ranked alot higher.

I do not think he would be any higher in my list if he boxed in the UK more.

chris_23 · Post by **chris_23** » 01 Apr 2008, 14:19

Can someone tell me where the hell this list comes from...?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 15:09

stujones wrote:Think the two Middleweight fighters in your list are a little high.

There are three Middleweight fighters on my list: Duddy, Elcock and Eastman. Perhaps they are all a little high, not by much though.

stujones wrote:Also just wonder - what about Jason Cook. Ex European champion now declared that he is coming back... so really is more active than McCullough.

Jason Cook was not in my list when he was still active, so he will not be entering my list unless he gets at least one big win.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 15:49

Captain Hook wrote:He wouldn't because he's very limited and will soon get found out.

Nice guy though, if he does get any success I would be happy for him..

He is not very limited, Duddy is fringe World class.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 01 Apr 2008, 17:40

nickd wrote:I would have Haye above Hatton. He has as good as cleaned out a whole division something Hatton has never done. And done it spectacularly.

Recent high level victories at their weights:

Haye - Mormeck: No.1, Maccarinelli: Top 5, Gurov: Top 10, Fragomeni: Top 30.
Hatton - Tszyu: No.1, Castillo: Top 5, Urango: Top 10, Maussa: Top 10.

Neither has really cleaned out their division. Hatton has Witter to sort out and Haye has Cunningham.

nickd wrote:He is the number 1 Cruiserweight without any shadow of a doubt, can the same be said for Hit 'n Hold at 140?

Neither have fought the number one contender whilst they have been champion, so there is doubt over both men's status as the best in the division.

"Hit 'n Hold"? Why don't you just call him Hatton?

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 01 Apr 2008, 20:38

nickd wrote:I would have Haye above Hatton. He has as good as cleaned out a whole division something Hatton has never done. And done it spectacularly. He is the number 1 Cruiserweight without any shadow of a doubt, can the same be said for Hit 'n Hold at 140?

they've both lost 1 fight.

hatton to mayweather.

haye to thompson.

end of argument.