Nelson and Fenech

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 02 Apr 2008, 07:22

Each managed a dominant performance over the other.

In the 1st fight (which Fenech should have won) Azumah claimed that he had an illness (I've heard malaria and flu).

In the second fight Fenech apparently had a very poor training camp and his hands were shot.

Anyone else heard these stories?

Anyone have any thoughts on their rivalry?

Two great modern fighters who are much overlooked today.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 02 Apr 2008, 07:24

Hey mods, can you please move this to BOTP

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 02 Apr 2008, 07:24

I thought a draw was a fair verdict in their first fight.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 02 Apr 2008, 07:26

Ezzard wrote:Each managed a dominant performance over the other.

In the 1st fight (which Fenech should have won) Azumah claimed that he had an illness (I've heard malaria and flu).

In the second fight Fenech apparently had a very poor training camp and his hands were shot.

Anyone else heard these stories?

Anyone have any thoughts on their rivalry?

Two great modern fighters who are much overlooked today.

I actually got these fights through a few weeks ago and I really enjoyed them. Wasn't Fenech's hands so shot he retired once? Azumah did have some questionable decisions in his time, I'm trying to recollect the stoppage in the seconds fight. I know Fenech was pissed big time!

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 02 Apr 2008, 08:36

Ezzard wrote:Each managed a dominant performance over the other.

In the 1st fight (which Fenech should have won) Azumah claimed that he had an illness (I've heard malaria and flu).

In the second fight Fenech apparently had a very poor training camp and his hands were shot.

Anyone else heard these stories?

Anyone have any thoughts on their rivalry?

Two great modern fighters who are much overlooked today.

Fenech went into the second fight with a rib injury he sustained when sparring with Kostya Tszyu. Tszyu had his first fight on the undercard that night.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 02 Apr 2008, 08:46

I think both of these guys are criminally overlooked today.

Fenech achiveved great things and took on the best in every weight class he went in to.

Nelson was a fabulous boxer who somehow seemed to miss out on all the best fights around his weight class.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 02 Apr 2008, 10:30

Fenech was robbed royally in the first fight.

He was the aggressor, which was unbeleivable, against a top level fighter a full weight class bigger than he was. Nelson was on the defensive against a guy smaller than he was. The three worst robberies I have seen are Young-Ali, Eddie Cotton-Jose Torres, and the first Fenech-Nelson fight.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 02 Apr 2008, 12:55

The first fight was a poor decision, Fenech looked to have won by four rounds on my card, but getting the decision over a Don King fighter in Las Vegas in the 80's or 90's was shall we say unlikely unless you completely battered the guy from first bell to last.

The second was a masterclass by Nelson. I was shocked when Fenech was put in his arse inside 90 seconds but Nelson had a great record in rematches, just a shame there wasn't a rematch with Sanchez a couple of years after the first fight.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 02 Apr 2008, 13:02

Flump wrote: getting the decision over a Don King fighter in Las Vegas in the 80's or 90's was shall we say unlikely.

EXACTLY.
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bollox · Post by **bollox** » 02 Apr 2008, 15:35

I watched the first fight in a pub here in Melbourne and at the decision everyone and I mean everyone, thouht Fenech was robbed and let it be known. And that takes into account a level of natural bias towards 'our' fighter

Nelson claimed he'd had malaria some time beforehand but somehow this didn't ring true. I doubt even a witchdoctor would allow a fighter to fight with traces of it in his system

Fenech was born with tiny and brittle hands and had retired more than once after breaking them during a fight (eg both were broken in the Calleja fight from memory)

Re the second fight Fenech has said that after the first one he thought "how easy was that

" and it reflected in his training attitude. He paid a heavy price for it

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 02 Apr 2008, 15:36

bollox wrote:I watched the first fight in a pub here in Melbourne and at the decision everyone and I mean everyone, thouht Fenech was robbed and let it be known. And that takes into account a level of natural bias towards 'our' fighter

Nelson claimed he'd had malaria some time beforehand but somehow this didn't ring true. I doubt even a witchdoctor would allow a fighter to fight with traces of it in his system

Fenech was born with tiny and brittle hands and had retired more than once after breaking them during a fight (eg both were broken in the Calleja fight from memory)

Re the second fight Fenech has said that after the first one he thought "how easy was that " and it reflected in his training attitude. He paid a heavy price for it

p.s. Fenech started pro as a flyweight so his career wasn't too shabby

Nelson? great great fighter

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 02 Apr 2008, 16:03

I watched Nelson v Sanchez and Nelson v Fenech 1 again about 3 weeks ago. I thought Fenech was robbed the first time I saw the fight and can not come any other conclusion having watched the fight the second time round many years later. Nelson started the fight boxing beautifully for the first few rounds.

But something inexplicable happened in this fight when Nelson seemed content to go to the ropes in exactly the same neutral corner. It appears to me that Nelson was trying to get Fenech to punch himself out and/or capitilise on Fenech exposing his chin at close quarters. Anyhow the plan seemed to backfire and the effort took more out of Nelson than it did Fenech, taking a lot sting out of Nelson's work in the later rounds.

Never really understood why Nelson decided to consciously go to the same corner (he certainly wasn't forced there by Fenech).

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 02 Apr 2008, 17:22

This was another ROBBERY. Fenech won fair and square.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 03 Apr 2008, 06:22

I watched the first one ages ago and remember feeling frustrated at how much of a robbery I felt it was.

The second fight if I recall left me with the impression that Azumah was in a motivated shape to avenge and clear himself of the last fight....and well Fenech just seemed a level underneath. Though I had heard rib-hand injuries.

toppity · Post by **toppity** » 03 Apr 2008, 07:11

Robinson wrote:I watched the first one ages ago and remember feeling frustrated at how much of a robbery I felt it was.

The second fight if I recall left me with the impression that Azumah was in a motivated shape to avenge and clear himself of the last fight....and well Fenech just seemed a level underneath. Though I had heard rib-hand injuries.

there was always hand injuries with Jeff. Very weak hands.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Apr 2008, 09:11

I heard many times that Jeff never trained as he should have from after the first Nelson fight and that his hands broke in almost every fight he had once he got up to 122

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 04 Apr 2008, 01:58

I had Fenech the clear winner. It was one of the many BS draws of the last 20 years that I wish could be changed.

Still, Nelson was a great fighter.

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