Crease wrote:Personally, I would sya that Ali is the most overrated fighte rof all time, because of his wit, quick-tongue and speed... Some boxing pundits make him out to be almost god-like.
Same with Louis. A lot of people dislike Ali because he talked too much, many people have liked Louis because he was perceived to be more modest. You're telling me Louis does not have a lot of fans for that reason? Another complaint about Ali is that he has a lot of fans because he refused to join the military. That means Louis has not had a lot of fans because he did join the military?
BoxBuzz wrote:Much as I like Ali...he clearly IS over rated. He'd be over rated even if after all was said and done it was somehow determined he actually was the best of the best. He's become a mythological figure and there is no way it is in line with reality.
"Over Rated" falls short of describing just how weak Jones rates in the world of true "all-time greats", far too many to list here. Yes, he was helluva athlete, always in shape, fast, great reflexs, insecure with his ability to withsatnd punishment, should one of the inebt contenders he faced (including all-time greats who were far from their prime). Mired in personal/managerial challenges, James Toney, overweight & sloppy, provided a valid "win" on Jones record. Then there was Mike McCallum, how old was he, 40's? And another over-rated contender in Reggie Johnson, and of course, a guy I was never impressed with in the first place, Virgil Hill. Hill was not in his prime when Jones folded him with a body shot. No excuse here, Hill wasn't in Jones class ever. However, that ain't saying much, an Olympic Gold Medalist in an Olympics that had no Eastern Bloc, or Cuban representation.
bjermaine wrote:i'm sure this thread has been done plenty of times but just interested on what the great minds on this message board think. my vote, sugar ray robinson. i have him in my top 5 pound for pound ever but too many people act like he never lost. i think there's too many fighters in history that would give him a lot of trouble.
Robinson had 200 fights and won 173. You are an idiot.
bjermaine wrote:i'm sure this thread has been done plenty of times but just interested on what the great minds on this message board think. my vote, sugar ray robinson. i have him in my top 5 pound for pound ever but too many people act like he never lost. i think there's too many fighters in history that would give him a lot of trouble.
Robinson had 200 fights and won 173. You are an idiot.
nice argument brute. way to articulate your response. throw a couple numbers up and call the guy an idiot. how can anyone compete with that? :) i need to go back and read your other posts. i could probably learn something.
most of robinsons losses were well past his prime he never lost at lightweight(where he beat the champ) or welterweight and avenges many of his middleweight losses and up until the stoppage was winning the maxim fight
bjermaine wrote:i'm sure this thread has been done plenty of times but just interested on what the great minds on this message board think. my vote, sugar ray robinson. i have him in my top 5 pound for pound ever but too many people act like he never lost. i think there's too many fighters in history that would give him a lot of trouble.
Robinson had 200 fights and won 173. You are an idiot.
nice argument brute. way to articulate your response. throw a couple numbers up and call the guy an idiot. how can anyone compete with that? :) i need to go back and read your other posts. i could probably learn something.
Well there is no point in telling him that Robinson was Welterweight champ for five years, that he was middleweight champ five times and that he had most of his losses after 1955, after a three year retirement, and that he became world champ twice after that layoff. Everybody knows that.
Ray and Roy once again by the very weight of their reputations have to qualify. The thing is that it is still possible for the most over rated to still be the among the very best.
I don't think any of these fighters are undeserving of praise. It's sort of natural for the best to get an undue amount of praise due to the attraction of their demonstrated phenomenal skills.
Interesting how quick thinking boxers end up in this catagory.
Who are the Heavy Hitters who qualify for this honor? There names don't show up as often on the lists it seems.
Naseem Hamed, by a mile. The sheer scale of the delusion he generated is rivalled in history only by Adolf Hitler. An "alphabet champion" if ever there were one. Showboated on a carefully selected diet of other champs so long as they fulfilled at least one of the following criteria:
1) North Americans far past their prime (Kelley, 'Boom-Boom etc)
2) Local yokels (brits, Argentinians, euro-scrubs etc)
3) Previously beaten.
It was indeed Barrera who finally proved he was a fraud, but he was on his way to being exposed two years earlier in '99, against Soto, before he psyched Cesar out with that WWE manoeuvre in the 5th.
As for his "Ko" record? Most of those so-called Ko's were actually the Ref jumping in while the other guy was still vertical and clear-eyed. The fight with Manuel Medina is the most glaring example here, and you should listen to his fanatic supporters crying, "But he had a cold!" Yeah, of course. Did I mention I had a threesome last night with Jamie Pressley and Ali Larter? Not too many nice, legitimate 10-counts in that list.
BoxBuzz wrote:Ray and Roy once again by the very weight of their reputations have to qualify. The thing is that it is still possible for the most over rated to still be the among the very best.
I don't think any of these fighters are undeserving of praise. It's sort of natural for the best to get an undue amount of praise due to the attraction of their demonstrated phenomenal skills.
Interesting how quick thinking boxers end up in this catagory.
Who are the Heavy Hitters who qualify for this honor? There names don't show up as often on the lists it seems.
Thank you for summing up the point of this thread in one sentence. It's nice to read some common sense on this board every once in a while.
BoxBuzz wrote:Ray and Roy once again by the very weight of their reputations have to qualify. The thing is that it is still possible for the most over rated to still be the among the very best.
I don't think any of these fighters are undeserving of praise. It's sort of natural for the best to get an undue amount of praise due to the attraction of their demonstrated phenomenal skills.
Interesting how quick thinking boxers end up in this catagory.
Who are the Heavy Hitters who qualify for this honor? There names don't show up as often on the lists it seems.
BoxBuzz wrote:Ray and Roy once again by the very weight of their reputations have to qualify. The thing is that it is still possible for the most over rated to still be the among the very best.
I think we get what the word "overrated" means. The point is that there are fighters who are as famous and popular as Robinson and who get a lot of praise but who haven't accomplished a 1/10 of what he did.
