Williams, Jack, Angott & Montgomery: the best 4-way riva

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 07 Apr 2008, 04:56

Do you guys think that the 4-way rivalry of the great lightweights of Ike Williams, Sammy Angott, Beau Jack and Bob Montgomery is the best 4 way rivalry pound per pound of all-time?

This was some kind of rivalry...Don't you guys think?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 07 Apr 2008, 11:52

Good one.

Another would be Sam Langford, Joe Jeanette, Sam McVey, and Jack Johnson,

with Johnson criminally keeping the other three from their chance at the title.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 07 Apr 2008, 23:14

granberry wrote:Good one.

Another would be Sam Langford, Joe Jeanette, Sam McVey, and Jack Johnson,

with Johnson criminally keeping the other three from their chance at the title.

I never thought about that one, granberry. That was a great rivalry!!!

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 08 Apr 2008, 09:42

granberry wrote:Good one.

Another would be Sam Langford, Joe Jeanette, Sam McVey, and Jack Johnson,

with Johnson criminally keeping the other three from their chance at the title.

I would say it was more a 4 way rivalry between McVey, Jeannette, Langford, and Willis. Post 1908 when those fighters really started fighting each other frequently Johnson had already won the title and wasn't to fight one of them again. Willis on the other hand fought McVey 5 times, Jeanette 3 times, and Langford an astonishing 18 times.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 08 Apr 2008, 14:13

dempseyfire wrote:
granberry wrote:Good one.

Another would be Sam Langford, Joe Jeanette, Sam McVey, and Jack Johnson,

with Johnson criminally keeping the other three from their chance at the title.
I would say it was more a 4 way rivalry between McVey, Jeannette, Langford, and Willis. Post 1908 when those fighters really started fighting each other frequently Johnson had already won the title and wasn't to fight one of them again. Willis on the other hand fought McVey 5 times, Jeanette 3 times, and Langford an astonishing 18 times.

That is another great rivalry dempseyfire. The Wills, McVey, Jeanette and Langford rivalry.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 08 Apr 2008, 17:20

dempseyfire wrote:
I would say it was more a 4 way rivalry between McVey, Jeannette, Langford, and Willis. Post 1908 when those fighters really started fighting each other frequently Johnson had already won the title and wasn't to fight one of them again. Willis on the other hand fought McVey 5 times, Jeanette 3 times, and Langford an astonishing 18 times.

WHO is Willis?

Harry Wills came along LATE in the careers of Langford, Jeannette and McVey.

Wills started fighting in 1911.

By the year 1911 Sam Langford had had NINETY-THREE fights.
Langford started fighting in 1902.

Langford was through as a serious contender when he was stopped by Fred Fulton in 1917.

Wills fought well into the 1920's (where he was a top challeger to Dempsey's heavyweight title).

Wills was through as a serious contender once he was beaten by Jack Sharkey in 1926 and flattened by Paulino Uzcudun in 1927.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 08 Apr 2008, 17:29

Does that fact that WILLS was the newest member of the group mean that a rivalry didn't exist?

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 08 Apr 2008, 17:50

raylawpc wrote:Does that fact that WILLS was the newest member of the group mean that a rivalry didn't exist?

It means that dempseyfire with his Willis is a Ken Burns/Thomas Hauser politically correct clueless media indoctrinee who will never know that Jack Johnson denied Langford his rightful chance at the heavyweight title.
and also refused Jeanette and McVey their chances.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 08 Apr 2008, 17:51

Okay . . .

I'm confused, however - when did dempseyfire say that Jack Johnson didn't deny Langford a shot at the title? He simply said that he thought McVey, Jeannette, Langford and Wills was a great four-way rivalry. Jack Johnson aside, do you think it McVey-Jeannette-Langford-Wills was a great rivalry?

If they could invent a time machine, and I could go back in time and see just one fight, I'd be sorely tempted to pick McVey-Jeannette, April 17, 1909 in Paris. What a fight that must have been!?!

nytony · Post by **nytony** » 17 Apr 2008, 19:49

consider...Charlie Burley Holman Williams Cocoa Kid Archie Moore

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 25 Apr 2008, 10:09

Wesley Mouzon, whose career ended when he was 19, fought a draw with Ike Williams and knocked out Bob Montgomery in two rounds in a non title fight.

Minotauro · Post by **Minotauro** » 26 Apr 2008, 12:31

Ezzard Charles, Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins and Archie Moore.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 26 Apr 2008, 20:33

Minotauro wrote:Ezzard Charles, Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins and Archie Moore.

Good one

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 30 Apr 2008, 12:53

It seems that some of these rivalries were way much better than that of Duran-Hagler-Hearns and Leonard rivalry, but don't get too much publicity.