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Yolande Pompey and Archie Moore
That would be in London. Archie got irked when British referee Jack Hart asked for more action during the fight itself. "He was rude to me," said Archie, who came from behind to stop Pompey.
Otherwise, Moore was feted in London.
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Alexis Arguello vs Sal Torres
The advent of new weights and their manipulation by the likes of Leonard and Hearns messed up the once magical achievement of winning world titles at different weights. Arguello, however, did something magical when he won world titles at feather, super-feather and lightweight. He also flattened Billy Costello not long after Costello had lost his WBC light-welterweight title.
A brilliant fighter.
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JOE FRAZIER'S GYM TO CLOSE
By John DiSanto

Last week the sad news came that the famous Philly boxing landmark known as Joe Frazier's Gym was being shut down. The full story was nicely chronicled by Bernard Fernandez in the Philadelphia Daily News on Thursday (04/03/08). However, the first word about the whole matter came to me earlier in the week when a gym-rat friend of mine called to tell me that the fighters from Frazier's Gym were looking for a new boxing home, immediately launching the rumor that Smokin' Joe's place was about to close. Fernandez's story confirmed things.

In the official press release from the gym, there seems to be some ray of hope about the gym reopening after some renovations are done or once new financial investors are found. For a second, these scenarios feel like there's a chance of reversing the situation. However, once the actual quotes are digested, they do little to soften the blow of losing yet another Philadelphia boxing treasure.

The list of this city's boarded up gyms and arenas is a long one. Frazier's is just the latest casualty. But there is something particularly painful this time. Perhaps it's because this is the first time this is really happening for me. As a 45-year old who grew up at the Spectrum fights, my boxing landmarks still exist - the Spectrum, the Blue Horizon, Peltz Boxing, and until last week, Smokin' Joe Frazier's Gym.

As a student of boxing and as the editor of the Web site http://www.PhillyBoxingHistory.com, I've missed most of the "good old days" of Philadelphia boxing. I never went to the Arena, the Cambria, Shibe Park, Phillies Ball Park, Toppi Stadium, the Met, or many, many of the other legendary venues. Bob Montgomery, Lew Tendler, Tommy Loughran, Midget Wolgast, and most of the fighters listed throughout the Philly Boxing History Web site are before my time. But they have become part of me in a way I cannot articulate. However, I never "lost" any of them. Quite the opposite. These all-time greats are all examples of boxing history that I have "found". I found them in the library, on film, and by creating the Web site. These days, I obsessively collect posters, photographs and other boxing memorabilia as a way to make these heroes real for me. It is my only way to own all those experiences I lose sleep over having missed. It is an expensive habit, but it works for me.

However, I have experienced boxing loss. It has come in the form of watching my favorite boxers slip from their prime. When Matthew Saad Muhammad lost his light-heavyweight title to Dwight Braxton (later Qawi) it seemed impossible. After Matthew had somehow pulled victories from all those close calls, it felt as if he'd never lose a fight. Although I knew in the back of my that it had to eventually happen, it was easy to pretend otherwise. Ah, the innocence of my youth.

When Jeff Chandler finally lost his bantamweight crown, I witnessed a different type of seemingly unbeatable fighter become human. Jeff, the first GREAT fighter I ever watched in person, never fought again. It was hard to accept, but the constant flow of good fighters back then helped ease the pain. Boxing is a timeline that constantly renews itself. As hard as it is to watch one fighter's career come to an end, another promising boxer can capture your imagination and loyalty and make you a fan again.

But losing one of the physical foundations of local boxing feels different. It seems that the structures, the brick-and-mortar buildings, should outlive the timeline of the fleeting ring careers they host. Frazier's Gym has been up there on North Broad Street for almost as long as I've been alive and certainly for the entire time I've been aware of boxing. Originally named the Cloverlay Gym and opened especially for Joe in 1968, Frazier's Gym has always been one of the true symbols of Philadelphia boxing. Countless boxers passed through the place and many went on to great careers.

But unlike the continuum of boxers that came along, there is no promise of renewal. There will never be another Frazier's Gym. Like the Blue Horizon, which announced financial troubles and its potential sale in 2007, once one of these places goes away, it will probably never return as a boxing site. The tough business of the local fight game in the city of Philadelphia won't allow it. The struggling Blue Horizon is still in the fight, but last week, Frazier's Gym lost its battle.

I suppose it is inevitable that all the great places and people of the sport must pass on. For my older friends who experienced all those places and personalities of the past, as well as for the younger ones to whom local boxing is the New Alhambra and outdoor fights mean Beetle Juice at the Lagoon, the passing of Frazier's Gym may not feel as heavy. But for guys my age this one is significant. It is confirmation that the years are slipping by and that the things we love so much will be completely off the next generation's radar - even those things that MUST be remembered.

Luckily we still have Joe Frazier the man around. Our heavyweight champion is still alive and kicking and looking quite good at ringside of the many local fights he attends. He says the walking stick he uses is necessary, but I believe it's just part of his dapper style.

But we must hold onto Joe and the many other boxers of the past who remain in our lives - Harold Johnson, Joey Giardello, Dan Bucceroni, George Benton - and we must honor and appreciate them every chance we can.

They say that it is healthy to let go of the past and keep looking to the future. Although I try to do that the best I can, I must admit that it is an impossible task for me and for the Web site.

Later today I will take a drive by Frazier's Gym to see it in all of its glory before it begins to fade away.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Like I was tellin' ya' the other day me and the wife went down to Tijuana to visit her brother"El Momia". Well right there on that block is where I get my old van worked on. Everything for my van is on that block. The muffler guy,the brake guy,electronic shop,body and fender. I ain't drivin' my new car down there. That's why I keep the old van runnin'.

While me and the wife and "El Momia" were talking under this tree,I had my van inside the "taller mechanica" to get a little tune up. Teo and his son Victor own the place and they've treated me good. "El Momia" worked for them at one time and that's how I got familiar with that block. "Momia" don't work for Teo and his son no more and I don't ask what happened,but if I know my brother in law he probably lifted somethin' out of one of the cars he was working on.

Like I said Teo treats me good. As he says ,"I want to keep you my customer. Make you satisfied."
That's what gets me about a lot of Americans. They think if they go down to TJ,for example,to get their car worked on that they're going to to get ripped off. Why in the hell would they want to rip the gringo off? He's got U.S. money and they want to have him comin' back. All the auto repair places on that block have treated me all right.

Anyway Teo is a boxing fan and he remembers going to see the big fights down there during the 60's and 70's. One of us will always bring up boxing and that kind of cements our relationship. When his son Victor's wife had Teo's first grandson,I gave him a giant red boxing glove. It must of touched Teo cause he didn't charge me for putting in this fuel filter I brought down that time. In fact Teo always talks about that giant red boxing glove everytime I see him. Let me tell ya' sometimes he doesn't want my money for something simple or he charges such a ridiculously low price,I often feel embarrassed. But one thing I have to tell ya' about doin' business down there:never tip. No "propinas". Here's why. If the guy says,for example,10 dollars(and you feel it's a bargain),don't tip him,let's say five. Because next time he'll charge 15 expecting another Five spot. Get my drift?

Well I buy the parts on the U.S. side and I let Teo and Victor put 'em in.
I got the spark plugs,wires,and distributor cap and Teo is working on my van.
"Hey Teo. Tony Margarito pelea proxima Sabado."(Margarito fights next Saturday)
"Si Rogelio. Es goood."
Tony Margarito was born in LA.,but started his career in TJ. Tony lives in TJ somewhere and they think of him as one of their own. A while back Margarito's brother was killed in some drug deal or something. They like Margarito in TJ. I know he trains in LA. because he gets better sparring partners,but he's cut out a rough mold. A Zona Norte street wise guy. He ain't no pretty boy and they like that in a fighter.Nice enough when you meet him on the street,but he's not so nice in the ring. He started too slow against Williams and I know he's sore about that. If that fight had gone another round,I think Tony would have caught him. Teo was finishing up on my van.

"Teo,Margarito va a ganar?" (Will Margarito win?)
"Si Rogelio. Es claro que si"(Of course. It's clear)
I was watching Teo. He'd been around. He brought his son in with him,and when Teo steps down he'll turn the business over to his son.
"Teo vas a ver la pelea en la tele?"(Are you going to watch the fight on the TV?)
"Si Rogelio. Voy a comprar la pelea por el cable"(I'll buy it on cable)
His son Victor was done putting on a fan belt and went over to his car with one of those dusters on a stick to wipe the dirt off. It was parked in the shade. Victor's car was a 74 Mercury Comet. He had custom rims,a 4 speed on the floor,and he had installed a sound system. The car was painted metallic blue. I could see on the dashboard a picture of his baby boy holding on to that giant red boxing glove I gave to his father.
"Es listo Teo?" (It's ready?)
"Si Rogelio es listo."
"Cuanto te debo?"(How much do I owe you?)
"Ah Rogelio. Dame diez." (10 dollars)
I pulled out my wallet and thumbed through my money. Victor was putting a car seat in the back seat of his car.
"Solo tengo un billete de vente"(I only have a twenty)
Teo was starting to walk towards his son.
"No problema Teo. Ten diez extra para comprar la pelea en la tele." (It's not a problem. Take the extra ten to buy the fight on the television)

Great story diego, another gem that I'll be saving for my kids/grandkids, I'll be looking forward to see what you write on the father & son luncheon, as I know you will, if Rick is there, he will too.
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JOE FRAZIER'S GYM TO CLOSE
By John DiSanto

Last week the sad news came that the famous Philly boxing landmark known as Joe Frazier's Gym was being shut down. The full story was nicely chronicled by Bernard Fernandez in the Philadelphia Daily News on Thursday (04/03/08). However, the first word about the whole matter came to me earlier in the week when a gym-rat friend of mine called to tell me that the fighters from Frazier's Gym were looking for a new boxing home, immediately launching the rumor that Smokin' Joe's place was about to close. Fernandez's story confirmed things.

In the official press release from the gym, there seems to be some ray of hope about the gym reopening after some renovations are done or once new financial investors are found. For a second, these scenarios feel like there's a chance of reversing the situation. However, once the actual quotes are digested, they do little to soften the blow of losing yet another Philadelphia boxing treasure.

The list of this city's boarded up gyms and arenas is a long one. Frazier's is just the latest casualty. But there is something particularly painful this time. Perhaps it's because this is the first time this is really happening for me. As a 45-year old who grew up at the Spectrum fights, my boxing landmarks still exist - the Spectrum, the Blue Horizon, Peltz Boxing, and until last week, Smokin' Joe Frazier's Gym.

As a student of boxing and as the editor of the Web site http://www.PhillyBoxingHistory.com, I've missed most of the "good old days" of Philadelphia boxing. I never went to the Arena, the Cambria, Shibe Park, Phillies Ball Park, Toppi Stadium, the Met, or many, many of the other legendary venues. Bob Montgomery, Lew Tendler, Tommy Loughran, Midget Wolgast, and most of the fighters listed throughout the Philly Boxing History Web site are before my time. But they have become part of me in a way I cannot articulate. However, I never "lost" any of them. Quite the opposite. These all-time greats are all examples of boxing history that I have "found". I found them in the library, on film, and by creating the Web site. These days, I obsessively collect posters, photographs and other boxing memorabilia as a way to make these heroes real for me. It is my only way to own all those experiences I lose sleep over having missed. It is an expensive habit, but it works for me.

However, I have experienced boxing loss. It has come in the form of watching my favorite boxers slip from their prime. When Matthew Saad Muhammad lost his light-heavyweight title to Dwight Braxton (later Qawi) it seemed impossible. After Matthew had somehow pulled victories from all those close calls, it felt as if he'd never lose a fight. Although I knew in the back of my that it had to eventually happen, it was easy to pretend otherwise. Ah, the innocence of my youth.

When Jeff Chandler finally lost his bantamweight crown, I witnessed a different type of seemingly unbeatable fighter become human. Jeff, the first GREAT fighter I ever watched in person, never fought again. It was hard to accept, but the constant flow of good fighters back then helped ease the pain. Boxing is a timeline that constantly renews itself. As hard as it is to watch one fighter's career come to an end, another promising boxer can capture your imagination and loyalty and make you a fan again.

But losing one of the physical foundations of local boxing feels different. It seems that the structures, the brick-and-mortar buildings, should outlive the timeline of the fleeting ring careers they host. Frazier's Gym has been up there on North Broad Street for almost as long as I've been alive and certainly for the entire time I've been aware of boxing. Originally named the Cloverlay Gym and opened especially for Joe in 1968, Frazier's Gym has always been one of the true symbols of Philadelphia boxing. Countless boxers passed through the place and many went on to great careers.

But unlike the continuum of boxers that came along, there is no promise of renewal. There will never be another Frazier's Gym. Like the Blue Horizon, which announced financial troubles and its potential sale in 2007, once one of these places goes away, it will probably never return as a boxing site. The tough business of the local fight game in the city of Philadelphia won't allow it. The struggling Blue Horizon is still in the fight, but last week, Frazier's Gym lost its battle.

I suppose it is inevitable that all the great places and people of the sport must pass on. For my older friends who experienced all those places and personalities of the past, as well as for the younger ones to whom local boxing is the New Alhambra and outdoor fights mean Beetle Juice at the Lagoon, the passing of Frazier's Gym may not feel as heavy. But for guys my age this one is significant. It is confirmation that the years are slipping by and that the things we love so much will be completely off the next generation's radar - even those things that MUST be remembered.

Luckily we still have Joe Frazier the man around. Our heavyweight champion is still alive and kicking and looking quite good at ringside of the many local fights he attends. He says the walking stick he uses is necessary, but I believe it's just part of his dapper style.

But we must hold onto Joe and the many other boxers of the past who remain in our lives - Harold Johnson, Joey Giardello, Dan Bucceroni, George Benton - and we must honor and appreciate them every chance we can.

They say that it is healthy to let go of the past and keep looking to the future. Although I try to do that the best I can, I must admit that it is an impossible task for me and for the Web site.

Later today I will take a drive by Frazier's Gym to see it in all of its glory before it begins to fade away.
Great tribute.
Very sad Joes gym is closing.
One line in that tribute really sums up whats going on in boxing these days , and maybe life in general.

"It is confirmation that the years are slipping by and the things we love will be completely off the next generations radar-even those things that must be remembered."
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You guys remember this fighter?.
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This is exactly how you expect a gym in Philly to look.
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Bert Gilroy
(Antonio Rea)
BORN May 10 1918; Airdrie, Scotland
(Fought out of Coatbridge, Scotland)
DIED June 2 1998
HEIGHT 5-8 1/2 (Some sources report 5-9)
WEIGHT 155-188 1/4 lbs
MANAGER Tommy Gilmour Sr.

Bert Gilroy was a skillful, talented 1st class boxer with knockout potency in both fists; He was a game and willing fighter who was Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight Champion of Scotland from 1938-50; Bert lost 12 of his first 34 bouts but then went unbeaten in 41 bouts, from mid-1937 until early 1943

In fact, from mid-1937 until the end of his career in 1950, Gilroy tasted defeat only 13 times out of his next 85 contests, fighting some of the greatest fighters Britain and Europe had to offer; Seven of these contests met with question or controversy in either the decision or circumstances surrounding the fights

About the time Bert reached his peak in 1939, World War II broke out and boxing interest became secondary; Many historians feel it cost Gilroy an opportunity to win a world title !

Gilroy was a victim of "Boxing Politics" and found himself at odds with British greats, Ernie Roderick, the fearsome Jock McAvoy and world Champion Freddie Mills for title bouts and "title eliminator" bouts that never happened; Bert was effectively shut-out; Such is, at times, the unfortunate and unfair nature of the sweet science we call Boxing

During his career, Bert tangled with such men as Ben Valentine, Arthur "Ginger" Sadd, Glen Moody (Welsh champion and brother of Frank), Jack "Froggy" Hyams, Freddie Mills, Bruce Woodcock, Marcel Cerdan, Don Cockell and Stephane Olek; Gilroy is a member of the World Boxing Hall of Fame - class of 2006.
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I'm going to go out on a limb. The guy in the middle is Italian.
How do you know? :lol:
He's got spaghetti gravy on his shirt.
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dagosd2000 wrote: Frank
I'm going to go out on a limb. The guy in the middle is Italian.
How do you know? :lol:
He's got spaghetti gravy on his shirt.
That was Spaghetti "O
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kikibalt wrote: How do you know? :lol:
He's got spaghetti gravy on his shirt.
That was Spaghetti "O
Frank
Italians don't bleed blood,they bleed sauce. Where my ancestors are from(Naples)we bleed white clam sauce
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You guys remember this fighter?.
A couple of years back when Ring mag was doing there 100 greatest punchers of all-time, I was so PO'd because they left this man out. For the most part they got it right when they graced the pages with Rodolfo Gonzalez, Pajarito Moreno, Bob Satterfield and Battling Torres. This showed they knew what power was. However, then they put in guys which seemed like it was a popularity contest. I mean, Salvador Sanchez and Jersey Joe Walcott were counter-punchers. Ingemar Johannson, Roy Jones and Leotis Martin making the list over Carlos Hernandez? This guy's power was chilling. Knockouts over Joe Brown, Teo Cruz, Davey Moore, Kenny Lane, Bunny Grant, Alfredo Urbina and Paolo Rosi and not to mention even in losing efforts to Jose Napoles and Nicolino Loche, he had them both on the seat of their pants before losing. This guy could bang!

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