Euban-Ingle & Hamed Fued

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Apr 2008, 13:17

I saw this video posted on another forum. Interesting with Ingle and Hamed claiming Eubank tried to steal Hamed away from Ingle and claims that Bomber Graham & Nelson 'stuck Eubank on his head' in sparring

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2_ciOI3 ... re=related

BAMBI · Post by **BAMBI** » 12 Apr 2008, 13:38

nice find!
Damn Ingle went hard @ Eubank.

Did Naz really swung at Eubank @ Heathrow?

Mukel · Post by **Mukel** » 12 Apr 2008, 14:22

Can anyone tell me anymore about this incident with Eubank and Naz at heathrow?

mrkh · Post by **mrkh** » 12 Apr 2008, 15:08

eubanks says he started the vault over the ropes on his pro debut many years before he ever met a young naz. yet ingle told naz to say eubank stole it from him on itv-eubank was absolutely livid.

this was because eubank simply warned naz about mickey duff, and told naz he could guide his career better than duff because of his experience. which brendan took offence to somehow. i'm not even sure eubank was being serious.

eubanks, in actuality (as he'd say lol), floored herol in the gym (!) and instantly became famous in sheffield for it. though couldn't figure out the style the rest of the time.

the actual reason for eubank going up to sheffield was because he fell out with a would-be promoter called keith miles who was paying him a weekly allowance before that, and contacted ingle to tell him he'd been watching mccallum spar in new york and could give tips to herol

eubank didn't spar with mccallum. and at the sheffield camp, his future world title opponent ron essett was also sparring, though he didn't spar with essett either.

i know these things :)

mrkh · Post by **mrkh** » 12 Apr 2008, 15:12

Boxing.Gloves wrote:Can anyone tell me anymore about this incident with Eubank and Naz at heathrow?

naz taunted him saying 'look at my belts chris, look at my belts' and called him a w-anker, as eubank was walking along trying to ignore him.

eubank grabbed naz belts and threw them across the airport, and went to slap him but hesitated, then naz threw a haymaker that eubank tried to dodge, though it clipped his nose.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 12 Apr 2008, 16:48

mrkh wrote:
Boxing.Gloves wrote:Can anyone tell me anymore about this incident with Eubank and Naz at heathrow?
naz taunted him saying 'look at my belts chris, look at my belts' and called him a w-anker, as eubank was walking along trying to ignore him.

eubank grabbed naz belts and threw them across the airport, and went to slap him but hesitated, then naz threw a haymaker that eubank tried to dodge, though it clipped his nose.

I thought Naz split Eubank's lip. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. LOL.

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 12 Apr 2008, 20:57

Eubank's chin vs Naz's quite un-natural power

A fair old match-up that

chris s · Post by **chris s** » 12 Apr 2008, 22:01

There is a great chapter in Calzaghe's book about the incident and the subsequent trip to America when Carl Thompson snapped and threatened to Naz.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 12 Apr 2008, 23:14

chris s wrote:There is a great chapter in Calzaghe's book about the incident and the subsequent trip to America when Carl Thompson snapped and threatened to Naz.

So, what happened?

How did the book describe it?

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 13 Apr 2008, 09:50

but eubanks punch against naz's chin? only one winner.

ingle has been overpraised in our sport for many a year.

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:15

Yeah Bomber insists the template Brendan uses was his before he went to Brendan, and that he won schoolboy title after schoolboy title without training and got a medal in Rotterdam or somewhere, before he went up to Wincobank.

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:19

Certainly Bomber's the best fighter to come out of that gym, still.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:26

STP wrote:Certainly Bomber's the best fighter to come out of that gym, still.

Hamed achieved far more than Graham ever did.

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:29

Deserter wrote:
STP wrote:Certainly Bomber's the best fighter to come out of that gym, still.
Hamed achieved far more than Graham ever did.

I know?

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:53

STP wrote:
Deserter wrote:
STP wrote:Certainly Bomber's the best fighter to come out of that gym, still.
Hamed achieved far more than Graham ever did.
I know?

So how can you claim Graham's the best fighter to come out of there?

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Apr 2008, 10:59

Deserter wrote:
STP wrote:
Deserter wrote: Hamed achieved far more than Graham ever did.
I know?
So how can you claim Graham's the best fighter to come out of there?

Because he was.

Steve Robinson, Tom Johnson and Soto and Calvo were hardly Mike McCallum now, were they? And Bomber beat Mike that night.

Bomber got his title shots late, ofcourse. It was considered almost too late when he signed to fight Barkley for the world title in '86/'87, but then he left Ingle (for a few fights), took a 'warm-up' fight with underrated Kalambay, and had Eastwood forcing him to be a much more attacking fighter. Kalambay trained for Graham, and trained for McCallum too.

Nobody made Julian Jackson look like a complete and utter fool. Jackson had McCallum on queer street and was stopped on his feet prematurely, and was edging McClellan in the first fight.

He was an underdog against Lindell Holmes, made him look stupid. An underdog against Mark Kaylor, made him look stupid. Fought Kalule who gave Leonard fits, made him look stupid. Fought Kalambay again in his backyard, made him look stupid and got robbed off.

I mean come on.

STP · Post by **STP** » 13 Apr 2008, 11:01

Before that Jackson right hook, he'd never been hit!

We all know Bomber was a wizard.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 13 Apr 2008, 11:06

STP wrote:
Deserter wrote:
STP wrote: I know?
So how can you claim Graham's the best fighter to come out of there?
Because he was.

Steve Robinson, Tom Johnson and Soto and Calvo were hardly Mike McCallum now, were they? And Bomber beat Mike that night.

Bomber got his title shots late, ofcourse. It was considered almost too late when he signed to fight Barkley for the world title in '86/'87, but then he left Ingle (for a few fights), took a 'warm-up' fight with underrated Kalambay, and had Eastwood forcing him to be a much more attacking fighter. Kalambay trained for Graham, and trained for McCallum too.

Nobody made Julian Jackson look like a complete and utter fool. Jackson had McCallum on queer street and was stopped on his feet prematurely, and was edging McClellan in the first fight.

He was an underdog against Lindell Holmes, made him look stupid. An underdog against Mark Kaylor, made him look stupid. Fought Kalule who gave Leonard fits, made him look stupid. Fought Kalambay again in his backyard, made him look stupid and got robbed off.

I mean come on.

Now I'm the first person to credit Graham for his skills, but the only meaningful criteria when judging boxers is achievement, not potential. History is littered with could-have-beens and should-have-beens.
Should Herol have won a world title? Probably. Did he? No.
The cold reality is that Julian Jackson KO'ed Herol Graham and using Kaylor as a reference point in indicating Herol's quality rather undermines your opening salvo regarding Hamed's opposition.
And by the way, check boxrec - Herol lost to McCallum.
I've got a strong dislike of the man Hamed became and now is, and conversely am gutted Herol never managed to achieve his potential, but to claim Herol's the better fighter is impossible to substantiate.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 13 Apr 2008, 11:07

STP wrote:Before that Jackson right hook, he'd never been hit!

We all know Bomber was a wizard.

Good baiting by the way

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 13 Apr 2008, 11:35

Anyone who thinks it was considered too late for Graham in 86\87 is bullshitting and wasn't following boxing at the time.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 13 Apr 2008, 12:48

no one can claim that hamed was a cleverer or more skilled boxer than graham. he wasnt. graham also fought in a damn good middleweight era, as we have heard, but much as it hurts me to admit it - because i share the opinion of hamed posted by deserter - at his best hamed eclipses herol because for a short period he was the best man in his division in the world. graham never was.

ApolloCreed · Post by **ApolloCreed** » 13 Apr 2008, 14:17

Why is everyone still so fascinated by Naz? Because he's the only decent, "love him or hate him" character boxing has had in donkeys years?

Thats the sad reality.

I watched the "Little Prince, Big Fight" documentary recently and Eubank visits Naz's training camp and they get on OK...

fist · Post by **fist** » 13 Apr 2008, 15:46

ApolloCreed wrote:Why is everyone still so fascinated by Naz? Because he's the only decent, "love him or hate him" character boxing has had in donkeys years?

Thats the sad reality.

I watched the "Little Prince, Big Fight" documentary recently and Eubank visits Naz's training camp and they get on OK...

Yeah they made up, though that documentary is years old.

As for the question of why people are fascinated by Naz...from my point of view he was the most exciting fighter Ive ever seen. He was PURE entertainment. At the time he had his haters, just as eubank did, but he was amazing to watch - some fans dont like show boating, I love it. His ring entrances, his acrobatics both before and during fights, his terrible but hilarious pre and post fight speeches :-) (remember him telling Kelley how he was goin to knock him spark out and how he was so gunna enjoy beating him up! Hilarious to hear cocky Yorkshire Hamed mocking Kelley with a pretty basic kid like banter) Then of course, you had his skills and amazing power. His unorthodux style brought about unprecitability and entertainment.

One of my all time favourite fighters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUFYtXNN0A

Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 13 Apr 2008, 15:58

ApolloCreed wrote:Why is everyone still so fascinated by Naz? Because he's the only decent, "love him or hate him" character boxing has had in donkeys years?

Thats the sad reality.

I watched the "Little Prince, Big Fight" documentary recently and Eubank visits Naz's training camp and they get on OK...

best pfp fighter we have had for 100 years, thats why...

Matt W · Post by **Matt W** » 14 Apr 2008, 07:59

Hamed packed dynamite, that's why he was so exciting. And as much as I admire Graham I agree with Terry D - what was a defensive master doing with his chin in the air against the most devastating puncher in the world?