If there was NO Muhammad Ali

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 09 Apr 2008, 05:28

Alright guys, upon reading aninterewsting thread, I started asking myself the quesiton: WHAT IF NO-ONE STOLE A YOUNG CASSIUS CALY'S BIKE AND HE NEVER TOOK UP BOXING... WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?

Okay, Liston continues destorying thrugh the Heavyweights until.... Joe Frazier comes along.

Frazier defeats Liston by a destrutive KO.

Foreman arises and destorys Frazier.

Foreman continues and has a close match against Larry Holmes.

Mike Tyson arrives and destroys a 9very old) Foreman.

What do you guys think>? Do ya think the bxoing lineage is accurate?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Apr 2008, 07:58

granberry lives happily ever after......

BigJuicyHog · Post by **BigJuicyHog** » 09 Apr 2008, 09:58

Granberry hates the Foreman shills instead?

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 09 Apr 2008, 10:14

BigJuicyHog wrote:Granberry hates the Foreman shills instead?

I prefer to think he would lead a normal life, occassionaly having weirdly vivid dreams about Manila and Zaire, and some man called Ken Burns....

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 09 Apr 2008, 10:25

MatthewS wrote:
BigJuicyHog wrote:Granberry hates the Foreman shills instead?
I prefer to think he would lead a normal life, occassionaly having weirdly vivid dreams about Manila and Zaire, and some man called Ken Burns....

Actually, he could very well be dead for lack of a driving hatred -- a reason to live.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 09 Apr 2008, 10:29

lol @ the granberry Jokes

Knucklez · Post by **Knucklez** » 09 Apr 2008, 10:36

..............then Jimmy Young might have taken his rightful place as 'best fighter of all time, bar none'.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 09 Apr 2008, 18:30

I think Ali influenced Ali alot and helped to define who he was as a fighter.

So It is hard to determine where he would be.

What if such and such fought are one things...

but what if some one never boxed or was born are very different. To many variables, alternate histories are a free for all and lose alot of real discussion points because it opens up a pandora's box of 'what if's' and alternate potentials.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Apr 2008, 18:45

Robinson wrote:I think Ali influenced Ali alot and helped to define who he was as a fighter.

So It is hard to determine where he would be.

What if such and such fought are one things...

but what if some one never boxed or was born are very different. To many variables, alternate histories are a free for all and lose alot of real discussion points because it opens up a pandora's box of 'what if's' and alternate potentials.

Which is why most of the responses to this question were centered around perhaps the only dynamic of this which we could accurately predict.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 09 Apr 2008, 18:46

Things would have been a lot duller. Liston would have probably been champion a lot longer.

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 09 Apr 2008, 19:27

I like food

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Apr 2008, 22:40

Robinson wrote:I like food

......agreed.......

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 10 Apr 2008, 01:12

That is the biggest pillbug I have ever seen!

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:52

Liston would have been champion until around 1968-1969, and he would have lost it to someone like Oscar Bonavena, Joe Frazier or maybe even a Mathis or Ellis...eventually Frazier would have came on top, held the title for less than he did in real life, been blasted out by Foreman, who would have held the title until probably 1976-1977 where Jimmy Young would have out pointed him and if Foreman wasnt ever granted a rematch, the title would have passed back and forth between Young, Norton and Holmes, who would have proven to been the better man.

The end.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 10 Apr 2008, 14:07

Crease wrote:Alright guys, upon reading aninterewsting thread, I started asking myself the quesiton: WHAT IF NO-ONE STOLE A YOUNG CASSIUS CALY'S BIKE AND HE NEVER TOOK UP BOXING... WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?

Okay, Liston continues destorying thrugh the Heavyweights until.... Joe Frazier comes along.

Frazier defeats Liston by a destrutive KO.

Foreman arises and destorys Frazier.

Foreman continues and has a close match against Larry Holmes.

Mike Tyson arrives and destroys a 9very old) Foreman.

What do you guys think>? Do ya think the bxoing lineage is accurate?

I think Foreman would have been beaten before even Larry Holmes gets to him.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 11 Apr 2008, 02:42

If there was NO Muhammad Ali

Thomas Hauser would be working in a library filing books.

zojo · Post by **zojo** » 13 Apr 2008, 07:28

If there was no Ali, then we would STILL we waiting for someone to light the Olympic flame in Atlanta.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 14 Apr 2008, 06:55

zojo, wrote:If there was no Ali, then we would STILL we waiting for someone to light the Olympic flame in Atlanta.

lol

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 14 Apr 2008, 08:58

Probably no Greg Page, Michael Dokes, Ray Leonard, Tony Tubbs, Howard Davis Jr, and fighters of that nature.

zojo · Post by **zojo** » 14 Apr 2008, 09:56

p4p1 wrote:
zojo, wrote:If there was no Ali, then we would STILL we waiting for someone to light the Olympic flame in Atlanta.
lol

Hey, Freo!

I used to coach at the Hilton PCYC

ben geoghegan · Post by **ben geoghegan** » 14 Apr 2008, 23:22

Liston continues as champion never falls into drugs in Vegas and gets murdered (OD?). Finally getting outpointed in 1983 by Larry Holmes at the age of 51.

Seriously though, I think some clever boxer picks off Foreman at some point. Jimmy Young anyone? Georgy had problems with lateral movers

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 15 Apr 2008, 00:49

Young would not have survived the pre-Zaire Foreman's assault. This was a George whose superior class would overcome the stylistic disadvantage. Young would not have escaped the clutches of a Foreman whose full attention he had.

Foreman reigns until Holmes gets him, whether or not the latter does that on the first try, I don't know.

Big Ben · Post by **Big Ben** » 15 Apr 2008, 03:15

At least it wouldn't have been Tyson. Tyson's style would have been completely wrong for Foreman, he would have to get inside and would have been KO'd by one of these brutal uppercuts. Foremand eventually would've been outboxed but I think Foreman would have been "the man" for a long, long time.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 15 Apr 2008, 12:55

Crease wrote:Alright guys, upon reading aninterewsting thread, I started asking myself the quesiton: WHAT IF NO-ONE STOLE A YOUNG CASSIUS CALY'S BIKE AND HE NEVER TOOK UP BOXING... WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?

Okay, Liston continues destorying thrugh the Heavyweights until.... Joe Frazier comes along.

Frazier defeats Liston by a destrutive KO.

Foreman arises and destorys Frazier.

Foreman continues and has a close match against Larry Holmes.

Mike Tyson arrives and destroys a 9very old) Foreman.

What do you guys think>? Do ya think the bxoing lineage is accurate?

Tyson would never have been able to destroy any version of Big George.

Foreman put the frightners on Mikey.

As mentioned above, Foreman would love Tyson's style

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 15 Apr 2008, 13:39

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