Worst performance by a referee

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 07 Apr 2008, 00:27

scartissue wrote:Also, the ref who allowed Eddie Machen to take a merciless beating in the corner from Ingo Johannson. This is on Youtube. Watch it to see what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I remember that. That was ridiculous. Whenever you have refs in places where there's not a lot of big time boxing, stuff like that sometimes happens.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 07 Apr 2008, 05:50

Hasim v Tua ?

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 07 Apr 2008, 14:13

Charlie Daggert in the Ike Williams-Beau Jack Lightweight title match. There is film of this, and Jack looks like he is a few punches from serious injury. Even Williams was looking for a stoppage.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 10 Apr 2008, 09:17

Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.

Roger Tilleman who was the ref for Sven Ottke and Robin Reid in 2003. He was awful. The ref warned Reid for landing clean jabs. Reid clearly floored Ottke but he ruled it a slip then after Ottke butted Reid he deducted a point.....off Reid ???

I had Reid clearly winning. Duke Mckenzie who was commentating said it was the worst ref he had ever seen and in the post fight interview Reid said even if his own mum and mates were the judges he doubts he would have got the decision in Germany against Ottke.

Have a look at some footage in rounds 6 and 7.....disgusting !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmSPbWJ2_4

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Apr 2008, 11:00

Jack Reiss in the Edgar Cardenas and Daniel Reyes fight.

Reyes was out of it from early on, and the ref just let the other guy tee off on him for round after round - sickening stuff, he should have been arrested.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 10 Apr 2008, 12:40

i was going to watch the youtube footage but then i remembered i once said i would never ever watch the contemptible robin reid fight again.
i'll take your word for it

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 10 Apr 2008, 14:34

bjermaine wrote:what about eddie cotton in lewis-tyson? all he was missing was a mike tyson t-shirt and pom-poms.

Good choice.

Eddie Cotton was a joke: he did everything to make sure that Tyson lasted.

It's just fortunate for Tyson that Lewis was so cautious, othwerwise he would have been destroyed in about 3 & Cotton probably would have burst into tears!!!

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 10 Apr 2008, 20:01

Controversial wrote:Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.

Roger Tilleman who was the ref for Sven Ottke and Robin Reid in 2003. He was awful. The ref warned Reid for landing clean jabs. Reid clearly floored Ottke but he ruled it a slip then after Ottke butted Reid he deducted a point.....off Reid ???

I had Reid clearly winning. Duke Mckenzie who was commentating said it was the worst ref he had ever seen and in the post fight interview Reid said even if his own mum and mates were the judges he doubts he would have got the decision in Germany against Ottke.

Have a look at some footage in rounds 6 and 7.....disgusting !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmSPbWJ2_4

Yeah, I'd heard about that but had never seen it. Thanks for the link.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 15 Apr 2008, 21:43

I Feel Fine wrote:
scartissue wrote:Also, the ref who allowed Eddie Machen to take a merciless beating in the corner from Ingo Johannson. This is on Youtube. Watch it to see what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I remember that. That was ridiculous. Whenever you have refs in places where there's not a lot of big time boxing, stuff like that sometimes happens.

That ref was Andrew Smyth from England.

One of the worst jobs I've ever seen.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 15 Apr 2008, 21:49

How about the ref in the Ellis-Patterson fight?

How about Jersey Joe Walcot in Liston-Ali II?

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 15 Apr 2008, 21:55

The ref-judge in Ellis vs Patterson was incompetent...his judgement was wrong and Ellis was Knocked down, which was ruled as a slip.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 15 Apr 2008, 21:55

yancey wrote:How about the ref in the Ellis-Patterson fight?

Yep, Harold Valan. It seemed Patterson scored a knock down but he didn't call it one, and then he gave the decision to Ellis.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 16 Apr 2008, 09:34

I Feel Fine wrote:
yancey wrote:How about the ref in the Ellis-Patterson fight?
Yep, Harold Valan. It seemed Patterson scored a knock down but he didn't call it one, and then he gave the decision to Ellis.

I scored the fight for Ellis too. Watch the fight with the sound off, one of the most hyped "robberies that really wasn't" in boxing history.

Paul Cavalier in Zale-Graziano III, Rocky gets up completly on queer street, Cavalier wipes his gloves and lets the slaughter continue.

I don't think Cotton was that bad in Lewis-Tyson. Lennox was doing a shitload of holding and Cotton was one of the few referees to actually enforce the rules. But later on in the fight he did seem to be favoring Mike a little.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Apr 2008, 11:47

johnannson v machen was appaling as already stated

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 16 Apr 2008, 12:11

I Feel Fine wrote:
Controversial wrote:Im surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.

Roger Tilleman who was the ref for Sven Ottke and Robin Reid in 2003. He was awful. The ref warned Reid for landing clean jabs. Reid clearly floored Ottke but he ruled it a slip then after Ottke butted Reid he deducted a point.....off Reid ???

I had Reid clearly winning. Duke Mckenzie who was commentating said it was the worst ref he had ever seen and in the post fight interview Reid said even if his own mum and mates were the judges he doubts he would have got the decision in Germany against Ottke.

Have a look at some footage in rounds 6 and 7.....disgusting !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXmSPbWJ2_4
Yeah, I'd heard about that but had never seen it. Thanks for the link.

id forgotten about that, the scale of it I mean.... shocking

Jeffsboxing · Post by **Jeffsboxing** » 16 Apr 2008, 20:40

Check this:

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:74335

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 16 Apr 2008, 21:00

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 16 Apr 2008, 21:57

Mickey Vann

Martin Sosa Cameron · Post by **Martin Sosa Cameron** » 17 Apr 2008, 21:38

Dave Barry in Tunney vs Dempsey, II (1927); Jack Gallagher in Dempsey vs Firpo (1923), Harry Krause in Emile Griffith vs Jorge Fernández, III (1962)

bjermaine · Post by **bjermaine** » 17 Apr 2008, 21:57

i don't know how many of you have seen the first juan coggi-eder gonzalez fight in '93. it is one of the most disgusting displays of cheating ever. the fight was in argentina, coggi's home country. my description of the fight will not do it justice. gonzalez knocked down coggi in the second round with a big right hand and the fight should have been over. the ref stops the fight for a few minutes so coggi can clear the cobwebs. this is for a title also. coggi's cornerman is holding him up in the corner by his trunks. gonzalez starts to come at him and the bell rings 30 seconds early to end the round. coggi regains is legs and comes back to ko gonzalez in the 7th. gonzalez never became champ. the wba needs to change that even now. the ref that night was isidro rodriguez. he probably feared for his life. i need to post this on youtube. i have the dvd.

VoiceOnTV · Post by **VoiceOnTV** » 19 Apr 2008, 00:34

tennessee wrote:i think it was lawrence cole in the rocky gannon-some guy from louisana fight. i also saw an old espn fight where the ref. kept calling a slip when the guy was clearly knocked down, finally he couldn't continue. that was really funny

The guy on ESPN from the early 80s with the slips. Talk about home-town referee! I wish I'd remember the guy's name. That one was the worst. In terms of historical perspective, I'd have to say Richard Steele in Chavez vs. Taylor. I see Steele often and like him, but there's a part of me that has a hard time forgiving him for that one.

VoiceOnTV · Post by **VoiceOnTV** » 19 Apr 2008, 00:35

There's a video on the best of ESPN boxing where they show clips from that early 80s fight were the ref calls every knockdown a slip. It's pretty insane.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 19 Apr 2008, 08:38

bjermaine wrote:i don't know how many of you have seen the first juan coggi-eder gonzalez fight in '93. it is one of the most disgusting displays of cheating ever. the fight was in argentina, coggi's home country. my description of the fight will not do it justice. gonzalez knocked down coggi in the second round with a big right hand and the fight should have been over. the ref stops the fight for a few minutes so coggi can clear the cobwebs. this is for a title also. coggi's cornerman is holding him up in the corner by his trunks. gonzalez starts to come at him and the bell rings 30 seconds early to end the round. coggi regains is legs and comes back to ko gonzalez in the 7th. gonzalez never became champ. the wba needs to change that even now. the ref that night was isidro rodriguez. he probably feared for his life. i need to post this on youtube. i have the dvd.

This one was despicable. But it was like everyone was in on it. The timekeeper, the ref, the cornermen, the doctor. Coggi was dead to the world and the ref actually allowed Coggi's corner to stand behind him in the corner on the ring apron, holding Coggi up while Gonzalez teed off on him, while they waited for the premature bell which they all apparently knew was coming. I believe the 3rd and 4th rounds were shortened rounds also.

Scartissue

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 19 Apr 2008, 21:09

Arthur Mercante for letting Foreman get away with constantly pushing Frazier away in their first fight.

The pushing was a very effective, though illegal, tactic that prevented Joe from getting to the inside of Foreman's punching radius.

Bonavena got away with some of the same pushing crap against Frazier. I always wondered if the Foreman camp learned from the Bonavena-Frazier fight films.

VoiceOnTV · Post by **VoiceOnTV** » 20 Apr 2008, 02:10

I know it was recent, but the ref in that Juan Diaz vs. Nate Campbell fight sure did seem to have it in for Campbell. He kept staring him down like a fighter at a press conference.