Bernard said Joe already has two losses!

STP · Post by **STP** » 16 Apr 2008, 00:08

On FightTV in Pennsylvania.

He said he's watched all the tapes and saw two clear losses, "in Manchester or Wales or Newplace or any of these other towns in Europe or wherever they were". From that, I assume he means Reid and Starie.

He also called Joe, "the biggest con man in boxing history. One in front of Eubanks, who he fought, because nobody knows Eubanks over here, but Joe actually has some people over here believe he's the goods. After this fight they should give him BBC Best Con Man Award for his 44 fights, because in fight 45 he's being beaten easily - by the only future Hall of Famer he's ever fought."

And, "I'm telling you guys: I'm going to make him look ordinary, because he is ordinary by American standards, not by European standards, but by American standards. He'll need face experts to rearrange it. He'll need experts. I've got experts and prestige working with me for this fight - Joe is going to need expert and prestige doctors to fix his face up when it's all said and done."

Interesting.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 16 Apr 2008, 01:31

I think B-Hop's trying to convince himself - as much as anyone else - that he can win this fight.

Al Savani · Post by **Al Savani** » 16 Apr 2008, 01:35

The guy's a grade A idiot,for me.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 16 Apr 2008, 02:49

Will not work.

Calzaghe is going to have Hopkins either RUNNING or HOLDING

Come on JC!!!

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 16 Apr 2008, 03:30

Would love to see Calzaghe do a number on Hopkins after reading that shit.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 16 Apr 2008, 03:45

Hopkins is an incredible force of nature. The best self-promoter in the business and the most dedicated athelete of his generation.

From starting out as a straight-forward win for Cal, I've been convinced by Hops rhetoric enough to feel Calzaghe is going to have his hands full on fight night.

Despite the face Hop couldn't best Jermain Taylor twice, a fighter Calzaghe would own.

Thats a smart cookie. No matter how dominant Cal, is how many advantages he has it will be interesting to see what Hopkins is capable of under extreme pressure.

It really is time for him to walk the walk too.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 16 Apr 2008, 03:48

Hopkins' win over Tarver is looking pretty good now.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Apr 2008, 03:59

I liked the last issue of Boxing Monthly where 3 guys - Bomber Graham, Robert McCracken and Steve Collins all were asked whom the best post-Hagler middleweight was. NONE of them said Hopkins. Graham and Collins said McCallum, and McCracken - who fought at middleweight in the Hopkins era - said Roy Jones after considering McCallum/Toney. Poor Hopkins, LOL, it's obvious he's not worshipped over here.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 16 Apr 2008, 04:02

Hopkins tries to intimidate and confuse before and during the fight.

JC is NOT Ricky Hatton.

This fight may not be good to watch, but i am SURE JC will do more than enough to win a UD.

Remember, Hopkins RAN from Eastman all night years ago. He was careful to avoid physical contact because he respected Eastmans power. JC is quicker and busier and bigger and nay be stronger than Eastman.

Hopkins will be worn out by 9 rounds and JC sweeps the last few and Hopkins says 'hey - I am 43 years old - its a testament to my life that I am a still at the top of Boxing fighting these great champions - did I mention I was in jail?'

JC has him running after holding.

JC Numero Uno!

mike john · Post by **mike john** » 16 Apr 2008, 04:06

bennie wrote:Hopkins' win over Tarver is looking pretty good now.

it does if your reading the results off of paper. if anything, tarver proved through the woods bout that he was clearly a different fighter to the one who faced hopkins that night. it looks more like antonio's claims of weight loss being a major factor when listlessly facing bernard hold more water than originally thought

The_Don1 · Post by **The_Don1** » 16 Apr 2008, 04:34

Does anyone else find B-Hop to be one of the most boring speakers in boxing today? His voice is so montone, he pauses frequently and it takes him about a year to make his point.

I've got nothing against trash talk, Tarver and Mayweather do it well, but B-Hop's long, drawn out style sends me to sleep.

banjo · Post by **banjo** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:10

The_Don1 wrote:Does anyone else find B-Hop to be one of the most boring speakers in boxing today? His voice is so montone, he pauses frequently and it takes him about a year to make his point.

I've got nothing against trash talk, Tarver and Mayweather do it well, but B-Hop's long, drawn out style sends me to sleep.

B-Hop seems to go into his life story before giving us the answer we want.

punchers chance · Post by **punchers chance** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:21

STP wrote:On FightTV in Pennsylvania.

He said he's watched all the tapes and saw two clear losses, "in Manchester or Wales or Newplace or any of these other towns in Europe or wherever they were". From that, I assume he means Reid and Starie.

He also called Joe, "the biggest con man in boxing history. One in front of Eubanks, who he fought, because nobody knows Eubanks over here, but Joe actually has some people over here believe he's the goods. After this fight they should give him BBC Best Con Man Award for his 44 fights, because in fight 45 he's being beaten easily - by the only future Hall of Famer he's ever fought."

And, "I'm telling you guys: I'm going to make him look ordinary, because he is ordinary by American standards, not by European standards, but by American standards. He'll need face experts to rearrange it. He'll need experts. I've got experts and prestige working with me for this fight - Joe is going to need expert and prestige doctors to fix his face up when it's all said and done."

Interesting.

Starie didn't come anywhere near winning that fight but for a domestic level decent defensive boxer he certainly made JC look pretty ordinary that evening.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:38

LOL, some of you lot are crazy.

Hopkins will win this fight.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:39

The last guy with speed and talent Hopkins fought he lost to.

Hopkins will win this fight.

You don't beat Calzaghe If you lose to Taylor and have ugly fights with lesser fighters.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:40

Max Molyneux wrote:The last guy with speed and talent Hopkins fought he lost to.

Hopkins will win this fight.
You don't beat Calzaghe If you lose to Taylor and have ugly fights with lesser fighters.

Good point, and I'm inclined to agree. I just hold out a glimmer of hope.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 16 Apr 2008, 05:46

The more people who pick Hopkins the easier Joe wins.

It worked when Lacy and Kessler were favoured.

So lets all pick Hopkins.

samtheassassinatkins · Post by **samtheassassinatkins** » 16 Apr 2008, 06:07

Is anyone really suprised by the turd Hopkins speaks?

We should have a compotetion. Who can find the best Hopkins quote?

Here's mine. He said this at the weigh in for the Hatton-Mayweather fight(i think): If Calzaghe wants to fight me, he can come across the Red Sea and come to America to do it"

It's that or something like that.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 16 Apr 2008, 06:23

I've done it, i've convinced myself Hopkins will win a UD

Calzaghe keeps talking about his throwing 1000+ punches and how Hopkins can't do that, boxing ain't an aerobics class, I don't think that will be all that important.

Joe struggles with defensive boxers and he has never fought anyone as good defensively or as good at keeping the right amount of distance as Hopkins. I can see Calzaghe trying to throw a bunch of punches and then get out again but being out of range and getting caught off balance by right hand counters. Joe can be wide open at times especially when having to force the pace and there is no chance he looks as good as he did against Kessler and Lacy. The Hopkins of 5+ years ago I pick with confidence, the 43 year old, who really knows.

I know Calzaghe is far more talented than Taylor but styles make fights, he doesn't have the reach of Taylor or the straight punches.

TBH I haven't a clue, but as most people are very confidently predicting Calzaghe, i'll go with Hopkins.

MTG · Post by **MTG** » 16 Apr 2008, 06:35

Spud wrote:Would love to see Calzaghe do a number on Hopkins after reading that shit.

who cares!!!

go back to BS

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 16 Apr 2008, 09:28

Autobarn wrote:I liked the last issue of Boxing Monthly where 3 guys - Bomber Graham, Robert McCracken and Steve Collins all were asked whom the best post-Hagler middleweight was. NONE of them said Hopkins. Graham and Collins said McCallum, and McCracken - who fought at middleweight in the Hopkins era - said Roy Jones after considering McCallum/Toney. Poor Hopkins, LOL, it's obvious he's not worshipped over here.

Dont you think Graham and Collins have agendas of their own?

Obviously they were going to pick McCallum.

AT middleweight, McCallum hardly has Hopkins credentials now does he?

Like B-Hop gives a crap about those 3 long-retired & forgotten old men have to say about fighting.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Apr 2008, 09:42

overhand_right wrote:
Autobarn wrote:I liked the last issue of Boxing Monthly where 3 guys - Bomber Graham, Robert McCracken and Steve Collins all were asked whom the best post-Hagler middleweight was. NONE of them said Hopkins. Graham and Collins said McCallum, and McCracken - who fought at middleweight in the Hopkins era - said Roy Jones after considering McCallum/Toney. Poor Hopkins, LOL, it's obvious he's not worshipped over here.

Dont you think Graham and Collins have agendas of their own?

Obviously they were going to pick McCallum.

AT middleweight, McCallum hardly has Hopkins credentials now does he?

Like B-Hop gives a crap about those 3 long-retired & forgotten old men have to say about fighting.

Yeah well, they would also know how good he is.

McCallum fought Kalambay, Collins, Toney (twice at middle, deserved at least one of those verdicts vs a man 12 yrs his junior), Graham and Watson at middle. Hopkins had a way weaker era. Impressive that Bernard kept his focus and ruled but certainly hadn't had the back-to-back competitive fights that "The Bodysnatcher" had. No one could humanly make 20 title defences in the era of middleweights that McCallum distinguished himself in.

Hopkins hasn't exactly fought a lot of excellent fighters at 160 despite his impressive # of title defenses. Bernard's best wins are vs welterweights and a natural light middle (all the way up at 170-lbs - how's that for handicapping!). Shit, McCallum beat excellent/good men in his days as a junior middle champ: Curry, David Braxton, McCrory, Julian Jackson (went on to hold a midlde title), Kalule (before Mike even won a world title, in something like his 2nd year as a pro boxer).

That said, Joe can make Hopkins look a lot better if he wades in face first, throwing his left hand from out of range and stepping forward sloppily into an orthodox stance like he did vs Kessler. Hopkins won't think twice to step in with right hands if offered the chance.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Apr 2008, 12:01

is hopkins a better fighter now than when he fought eastman?
he must have been 37 then and not many guys improve at that age.
did he rearrange howards ugly mug? no.
is he suddenly going to become a destroyer of blokes about the same size as he is after all this time? i know where my money is

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 16 Apr 2008, 12:11

no way did he lose the starie fight.

i was wanting starie to win that fight as well. being an englishman against a welshman.

reid fight is close. still reckon joe did enuff though.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Apr 2008, 12:11

overhand_right wrote:
Autobarn wrote:I liked the last issue of Boxing Monthly where 3 guys - Bomber Graham, Robert McCracken and Steve Collins all were asked whom the best post-Hagler middleweight was. NONE of them said Hopkins. Graham and Collins said McCallum, and McCracken - who fought at middleweight in the Hopkins era - said Roy Jones after considering McCallum/Toney. Poor Hopkins, LOL, it's obvious he's not worshipped over here.

Dont you think Graham and Collins have agendas of their own?

Obviously they were going to pick McCallum.

AT middleweight, McCallum hardly has Hopkins credentials now does he?

Like B-Hop gives a crap about those 3 long-retired & forgotten old men have to say about fighting.

Graham did have a SLIGHT agenda of his own. His said he believed he beat McCallum and - I'm sure he was being tongue in cheek here - that that meant Graham was the best in the past 20 yrs LOL

Bernard said Joe already has two losses!

Bernard said Joe already has two losses!

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