Naseem Ingle/Suarez/Steward

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Feb 2004, 07:48

I'm writing someone on naz and barrera, and I'm struggling to remember when Nas was trained by who?

Can anyone remind me...

Which was the last fight that Ingle handled naz exclusively.
When did Suarez join the camp?
When did Stewart join the camp?

Were Ingle and Steward both working with Nas at the same time for a while, I seem to recall they were....?

J · Post by J » 24 Feb 2004, 08:11

His fight against Wayne Mc. was the last time Ingle was in the corner though some say it was only in a very "supervisory role" . He was being tutored in his corner by Ingles sons so I dont think that Manny / Suarez overlapped with Brendan. But not 100% sure bout when the others arrived though mate and whether there was overlap as far as training was concerned. Though as I recall it was Steward and Suarez having the power battle.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 24 Feb 2004, 08:15

Wasn't there one fight in particular where Manny and Suarez took it in turns to give advice in the corner, on a one round on, one round off basis? Rediculous.

Manny complained of only getting involved in the training of Naz close to fight time when a fight plan was being put in place. Naz refused to train at the Kronk in Detroit, preferring sunnier climbs.

J · Post by J » 24 Feb 2004, 08:20

yeah I remeber that, insanity, commentators were going mad as I recall, cant remember who it was against tho.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Feb 2004, 08:26

That one I do know, it was the Barrera fight.

That was the most ludicrous situation I've ever seen, and Manny was really no help, I think he was pissed of Suarez was there, and was deliberately trying to make things difficult.

What was Hamed thinking having a pillock like Suarez advising him, when he had Steward in there. I think Hamed liked the fact he could tell Suarez to fornicate off whenever he liked, because Suarez was just glad to be working with him.

One round you had Suarez telling him to box and move, the next round

Someone amongst that lot should have had the sense to say, 'you know what, this is a fornicating stupid situation' I'm leaving.

Hamed made Steward look like an ass with his actions. Steward sadly allowed himself to be made a bit of a prat of, but I think he's learned his lesson now, by not dividing his time up between too many fighters.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Feb 2004, 08:30

It wasn't the temperature that Hamed minded at Kronk, it was the fact that he wasn't going to be treated like a superstar there, that he would have to work hard like all the other fights, wait his turn to get on the heavy bag etc, rather than being pampered and treated like a big wheel.

Training at Palm springs for the biggest fight of his career, and staying in a penthouse apartment with all mod cons, is hardly going to make you a battle-hardended warrior.

Meanwhile Barrrera is out running his ass off in the mountains and killing himself, all the while imagining punching his gat-toothed adversary in the face.

I wonder how different things would have been had Hamed trained properly for that fight, Steward certainly seemed dissapointed in Hamed's training regime leading up to the fight.

J · Post by J » 24 Feb 2004, 08:32

aaah that would be why I couldnt remember early morning business haha!
I do remember I was shouting for Barerra though Naz had completely got on my tits with egotisistical and arrogant outlook. Totally agree he believed his own press and like many "could have been all time greats if they kept their feet on the floor" its living proof it isnt that easy to do. (One reason of many I have great admiration for Lewis despite his aloofness).
I think you are right Suarez was a yes man and Ive heard people criticise Steward who Ive always thought to be one of the iconic trainers in the sport, didnt realise he was spreading himself that thin at the time. (Now roach is doing it with the likes of Arthur etc).
Oh well we are all only human after all.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 24 Feb 2004, 08:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Training at Palm springs for the biggest fight of his career, and staying in a penthouse apartment with all mod cons, is hardly going to make you a battle-hardended warrior.

Its like Hagler said: "Its hard to get up and run at five in the morning when you wear silk pajamas to bed."

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Feb 2004, 09:17

I was pretty sure that the Suarez / Steward interchanging tactical advice occured throughout Hamed's time with them. I can remeber it certainly happening for Hamed's bout with Paul Ingle.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Feb 2004, 09:27

Was it Steward who came on board first, and then Suarez?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Feb 2004, 09:33

Suarez, then Steward if I'm not mistaken. After Hamed announced that Suarez was in charge most people said "who". Hamed done all his training with him, then a couple of days before the Ingle fight - Hamed announced that Steward was being employed as some "tactical advisor" or something like that.

Nobody knew at the time if it was just a one-off or not, remember Steward was already in Britain as he was coaching Tommy Hearns (who featured on the undercard). So it appeared like it was some kind of despression last minute move, but of course both stayed in that strange situation untill the Barrera fight.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Feb 2004, 09:47

Ah right, that explains it, it was such a confusing situation that it was hard to recall the details. I remember being aghast when he hired Suarez over Ingle.

Suarez seems to be doing a good job of destroying Freitas now too.

J · Post by J » 24 Feb 2004, 10:16

think Naz lost credibility and site fo where he came from / what ingle did for him as a boxer when he signed with Suarez, he is that type of brash personality anyway and it seemd to me that Brendan kept his feet on the ground and told him a few home truths that Naz's little sh*ts of brothers didnt like. So they talked naz into dumping him, big mistake never was the same fighter.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 24 Feb 2004, 14:44

it all went pair shaped when that book came out

and naz felt he had been betrayed, when in truth ingle was telling the truth about what was going on behind the scenes. and naz didn't like it cos he knew he weren't doing the business. whats the words i'm looking for?? oh yeah the truth hurts.

suarez and steward came on board for the ingle fight and stayed together until the calvo fight when it was just suarez on his own and steward was off the scene.

still no statement of intent from naz

all he has to do is just release a statement to say i'm having a break from the game and weighing up whether to fight again. surely thats not hard

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Feb 2004, 08:58

It is if you are forced to confront your own inadequacies and your own ego to wring the question dry....

J · Post by J » 26 Feb 2004, 05:17

good point , think he did that and didnt like what he saw.
He wont make a come back though, and the way he kept brodie hanging on was nothing short of disagraceful in my view