Arguello vs Delahoya at 135?

[Borinken25]

DLH did take on pretty much everyone. The only guy he didn't meet was Kostya, and everyone misses 1 or 2 fighters in their career...

I think DLH is getting unfair criticism.

The fight did not happen because back in 1997, Tszyu had a NC and a lost to Phillips and that made the fight go away. Remember DLH fought at 140 in 1996 and 1997. I agree that DLH is most of the time getting unfair criticism.

[elmersalsa]

De La hoya was beatable, but he was better than the majority of the guys listed.
Al Urbina, Suzuki, Paddy DeMarco, Paret? Come on.

You think that an Oscar De La Hoya would beat a guy like Benny "Kid" Paret?

Do you really think that Oscar was better than Paddy DeMarco?

I would be surprised if he ever beat someone like Alfredo Urbina or Ishimatsu Suzuki.

Oscar is figihting in a time were boxers really, do not know how to really fight. That is why Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is FEASTING with the talent pool today.

[Borinken25]

De La hoya was beatable, but he was better than the majority of the guys listed.
Al Urbina, Suzuki, Paddy DeMarco, Paret? Come on.

You think that an Oscar De La Hoya would beat a guy like Benny "Kid" Paret?

Do you really think that Oscar was better than Paddy DeMarco?

I would be surprised if he ever beat someone like Alfredo Urbina or Ishimatsu Suzuki.

Oscar is figihting in a time were boxers really, do not know how to really fight. That is why Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is FEASTING with the talent pool today.

So in your opinion there are no talented boxers today but there was talent in the past. How did you come up with the conclusion? There was no talent at lightweight when Duran was fighting and still he is consider by many as the best lightweight of all time. How do you explain that? De Jesus was an average fighter and Buchanan was about the only recognizable name at that time. After that the list hits bottom.

The only reason why Mayweather and Duran FEASTED on their competition is because they are great fighters not just merely good. And Duran v Mayweather is a tossup in my opinion. And I’m not a Maywather fan but I recognize his extraordinary talent.

[elmersalsa]

De La hoya was beatable, but he was better than the majority of the guys listed.
Al Urbina, Suzuki, Paddy DeMarco, Paret? Come on.

You think that an Oscar De La Hoya would beat a guy like Benny "Kid" Paret?

Do you really think that Oscar was better than Paddy DeMarco?

I would be surprised if he ever beat someone like Alfredo Urbina or Ishimatsu Suzuki.

Oscar is figihting in a time were boxers really, do not know how to really fight. That is why Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is FEASTING with the talent pool today.

So in your opinion there are no talented boxers today but there was talent in the past. How did you come up with the conclusion? There was no talent at lightweight when Duran was fighting and still he is consider by many as the best lightweight of all time. How do you explain that? De Jesus was an average fighter and Buchanan was about the only recognizable name at that time. After that the list hits bottom.

The only reason why Mayweather and Duran FEASTED on their competition is because they are great fighters not just merely good. And Duran v Mayweather is a tossup in my opinion. And I’m not a Maywather fan but I recognize his extraordinary talent.

You don't even know what is a boxing glove nor less the talent pool of Duran's lightweight days. Calling DeJesus an average boxer?

END OF STORY...I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM REPLYING TO THIS GUY

[p4p1]

tszyu de la hoya that would be a good fight kostya is talking about coming back maybe DLH could be the fight that lures him out of retirement

[Borinken25]

You think that an Oscar De La Hoya would beat a guy like Benny "Kid" Paret?

Do you really think that Oscar was better than Paddy DeMarco?

I would be surprised if he ever beat someone like Alfredo Urbina or Ishimatsu Suzuki.

Oscar is figihting in a time were boxers really, do not know how to really fight. That is why Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is FEASTING with the talent pool today.

So in your opinion there are no talented boxers today but there was talent in the past. How did you come up with the conclusion? There was no talent at lightweight when Duran was fighting and still he is consider by many as the best lightweight of all time. How do you explain that? De Jesus was an average fighter and Buchanan was about the only recognizable name at that time. After that the list hits bottom.

The only reason why Mayweather and Duran FEASTED on their competition is because they are great fighters not just merely good. And Duran v Mayweather is a tossup in my opinion. And I’m not a Maywather fan but I recognize his extraordinary talent.

You don't even know what is a boxing glove nor less the talent pool of Duran's lightweight days. Calling DeJesus an average boxer?

END OF STORY...I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM REPLYING TO THIS GUY

Go ahead and enlighten me, what did De Jesus did to be considered above average? Win one fight against Duran? How many big wins De Jesus had in his career? Yes go ahead and tell me how many IBHOF did Duran beat at lightweight? Go ahead and enlighten me on the above average talent pool at lightweight when Duran was fighting. I’m willing to bet anything that you did not even lived through that period. All you know is what you have read in books. Please keep reading more and be careful you don’t bring another person fantasy as a fact.

I'll be waiting for your answers.
What did De Jesus did to be considered above average?
How many big wins De Jesus had in his career?
How many IBHOF did Duran beat at lightweight?

[BigJuicyHog]

IMO I think that Oscar would win a close decision after a knockdown of his own.

Elmer, why do you hate Oscar so much. Most people that dont like him can at least admit that he is one of the better fighter of his ere. He fought everyone and won most of them.

[giacomino]

Here is a group of fighters that would have beat the shit of Oscar Delahoya's ass from 135 to 147, Goodnite Irene...You don't have to be that great to beat him:

Paddy DeMarco
Ismael Laguna
Ken Buchanan
Edwin Rosario
Hector Camacho
Curtis Cokes
Jimmy Carter
Tony DeMarco
Gil Turner
Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez
Aaron Pryor
Pipino Cuevas
Carlos Palomino
Armando Muniz
Flash Elorde
Ishimatsu Suzuki
Esteban DeJesus
Art Aragon
Enrique Bolanos
Alfredo Urbina
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Lou Ambers
Lew Jenkins
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Humberto Sierra
Federico Thompson
Benny "Kid" Paret
Willie Joyce
Kenny Lane
Len Matthews
Duilio Loi
Nicolino Locche
Antonio Cervantes

Don't mean to get in the middle of this dispute, but you listed a fighter here (Camacho) whom De La Hoya pitched a near shut-out against in 1997. (scores were 120-105, 120-106 and 118-108). Might want to delete him from your "beat the shit out of" list

[elmersalsa]

Here is a group of fighters that would have beat the shit of Oscar Delahoya's ass from 135 to 147, Goodnite Irene...You don't have to be that great to beat him:

Paddy DeMarco
Ismael Laguna
Ken Buchanan
Edwin Rosario
Hector Camacho
Curtis Cokes
Jimmy Carter
Tony DeMarco
Gil Turner
Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez
Aaron Pryor
Pipino Cuevas
Carlos Palomino
Armando Muniz
Flash Elorde
Ishimatsu Suzuki
Esteban DeJesus
Art Aragon
Enrique Bolanos
Alfredo Urbina
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Lou Ambers
Lew Jenkins
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Humberto Sierra
Federico Thompson
Benny "Kid" Paret
Willie Joyce
Kenny Lane
Len Matthews
Duilio Loi
Nicolino Locche
Antonio Cervantes

Don't mean to get in the middle of this dispute, but you listed a fighter here (Camacho) whom De La Hoya pitched a near shut-out against in 1997. (scores were 120-105, 120-106 and 118-108). Might want to delete him from your "beat the shit out of" list

Was not Camacho out of his prime?
Was he 35 years old when he fought Oscar?
Was that fight in the 80s, which was Camacho's era?
Was the fight at welterweight, a weight class that Camacho does not have business in?

the Camacho of the 80s would also beat the shit out of DLH.

[elmersalsa]

So in your opinion there are no talented boxers today but there was talent in the past. How did you come up with the conclusion? There was no talent at lightweight when Duran was fighting and still he is consider by many as the best lightweight of all time. How do you explain that? De Jesus was an average fighter and Buchanan was about the only recognizable name at that time. After that the list hits bottom.

The only reason why Mayweather and Duran FEASTED on their competition is because they are great fighters not just merely good. And Duran v Mayweather is a tossup in my opinion. And I’m not a Maywather fan but I recognize his extraordinary talent.

You don't even know what is a boxing glove nor less the talent pool of Duran's lightweight days. Calling DeJesus an average boxer?

END OF STORY...I DON'T KNOW WHY I AM REPLYING TO THIS GUY

Go ahead and enlighten me, what did De Jesus did to be considered above average? Win one fight against Duran? How many big wins De Jesus had in his career? Yes go ahead and tell me how many IBHOF did Duran beat at lightweight? Go ahead and enlighten me on the above average talent pool at lightweight when Duran was fighting. I’m willing to bet anything that you did not even lived through that period. All you know is what you have read in books. Please keep reading more and be careful you don’t bring another person fantasy as a fact.

I'll be waiting for your answers.
What did De Jesus did to be considered above average?
How many big wins De Jesus had in his career?
How many IBHOF did Duran beat at lightweight?

See, to start, it is a SHAME that you do not know the boxing career of one of your countrymen, one of Puerto Rico's very best boxers and according to the The Ring, WHICH I AGREE, DeJesus is one of the top 20 greatest lightweights of all-time.

The second point is, he is not in there just because he beat Duran in his prime. Duran was THE ONLY ONE that beat him at lightweight out of 35 fights in that weight class. You heard? THE ONLY ONE.

Ain't that ABOVE AVERAGE? That your only losses in that weight class was against the greatest lightweight of all-time?

Ain't that above average? That DeJesus won the WBC Lightweight Crown against tough Ishimatsu Suzuki, one of Japan's very best? The one that lasted 10 rounds of a beating against Duran and also beat TWICE Rodolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez and also beat the great Ken Buchanan?

Ain't that above average that Esteban was Puerto Rico's Lightweight National Champion?

Ain't that above average that Esteban DeJesus was the NABF Lightweight Champion?

Aint' DeJesus had big wins in his career?
The victory over Duran...His GREATEST VICTORY
The win for the NABF lightweight crown
The win for WBC lightweight world crown
The win for the lightweight Puerto Rican crown...Ain't that enough?

What else and what more do you want? Ain't this a great career?

Now, Duran at lightweight, to me, beat 2 hall of famers: Buchanan and Esteban. One day, Esteban DeJesus will be in the hall of fame...He got the CREDENTIALS. LOOK AT HIS RECORD.

[giacomino]

Here is a group of fighters that would have beat the shit of Oscar Delahoya's ass from 135 to 147, Goodnite Irene...You don't have to be that great to beat him:

Paddy DeMarco
Ismael Laguna
Ken Buchanan
Edwin Rosario
Hector Camacho
Curtis Cokes
Jimmy Carter
Tony DeMarco
Gil Turner
Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez
Aaron Pryor
Pipino Cuevas
Carlos Palomino
Armando Muniz
Flash Elorde
Ishimatsu Suzuki
Esteban DeJesus
Art Aragon
Enrique Bolanos
Alfredo Urbina
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Lou Ambers
Lew Jenkins
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Humberto Sierra
Federico Thompson
Benny "Kid" Paret
Willie Joyce
Kenny Lane
Len Matthews
Duilio Loi
Nicolino Locche
Antonio Cervantes

Don't mean to get in the middle of this dispute, but you listed a fighter here (Camacho) whom De La Hoya pitched a near shut-out against in 1997. (scores were 120-105, 120-106 and 118-108). Might want to delete him from your "beat the shit out of" list

Was not Camacho out of his prime?
Was he 35 years old when he fought Oscar?
Was that fight in the 80s, which was Camacho's era?
Was the fight at welterweight, a weight class that Camacho does not have business in?

the Camacho of the 80s would also beat the shit out of DLH.

Dude, I'm no DLH fan, but Camacho made a big name in the 80s and 90s beating up past-their-prime fighters, so there's no room to gripe about him getting shut out at 35. Camacho in the 80s was lightening quick, but Rosario proved he was far from unbeatable. Camacho beat a lot of fighters, but he didn't tend to "beat the shit" out of anyone at or near their prime.
As far as your list, I would have liked to have seen DLH against a number of these fighters, and I agree that DeJesus would have given him, or any modern lightweight, fits.

[Arbachakov]

LMAO at Dejesus being "average".

Some people wouldn't know a top-notch technical boxer-puncher even if they watched every fight in existance.

Probably a Cotto fan as well

[realgonecat]

It would really depend which DLH showed up. The one that hammers with hooks or the one that dances and jabs. The dance and jab DLH would lose to Arguello, but the hard hooking DLH would drop Arguello early (Arguello was slow out of the chute) and the question would be---would he get up?

To answer that we can look at where their size performance ceiling was. Arguello moved up from feather and by 140 he was over-powered by Aaron Pryor. If you rmember those fights, Arguello would feint and land a huge right flush on Pryor, and at one point, it even knocked snot out of his nose, and it did not back Pryor off and Arguello was swarmed on the ropes and counted out eventually.

Delahoya started at junior light and he was not at a size disadvantage until the body blow from Bernard Hopkins forced his first career stoppage. Delahoya was naturally bigger, stronger, and much faster than Arguello. They were about equal as technical fighters, each knew how to feint a power shot home.

I don't like DLH and I loved Arguello, so if I was sitting down with my popcorn and brew and rooting for an outcome I'd want Arguello by KO. The sad thing about this forum, and any other boxing forum I've ever posted on, is too many posters can't separate what they like and want from reality, in fact, have no clue they could be two separate things, and their stupidity eventually ruins all the fun and people stop posting.

Bottom line is this--- DLH never came close to being knocked out by a lightweight, and Arguello wouldn't be the LW to knock him out. I could see a swing-from-the-socks left hooker like Bummy Davis knocking DLH out, and Arguello would murder Davis, but Arguello's stand up style would never get to Oscar, at any weight.

Jimmy

[realgonecat]

De La hoya was beatable, but he was better than the majority of the guys listed.
Al Urbina, Suzuki, Paddy DeMarco, Paret? Come on.

You think that an Oscar De La Hoya would beat a guy like Benny "Kid" Paret?

Hi Elmer. He would beat Paret. Maybe not kill him, but he'd beat him.

Do you really think that Oscar was better than Paddy DeMarco?

He was better than DeMarco. He would have even beat Tony DeMarco.

I would be surprised if he ever beat someone like Alfredo Urbina or Ishimatsu Suzuki.

Yeah, you would be. After he beat Urbina and Guts you'd sit there all surprised.

Oscar is figihting in a time were boxers really, do not know how to really fight. That is why Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is FEASTING with the talent pool today.

That's what my dad used to say about the fighters from the 60's and 70's, they weren't as good as the fighters from the 40's and 50's, and that's what his dad said to him about the fighter's from the 20's and 30's, they were better than the fighters from the 40's and 50's. That's what every generation says about the fighters of their day. It gets old real fast and it's one of the biggest lies going in boxing.

Yeah, many of the fundamental skills great fighters had are being lost because fighters just don't fight as much as they used to, and you can see those skills in old fight films. You watch Basilio in action, or even Eduardo Lausse and you know they'd hammer blows home on guys like Joe Calzaghe he never had to take these days. But all that would mean is Calzaghe would have a handful of losses on his ledger, like they did, but he'd still be a great fighter, an even better fighter for having had to fight the likes of them.

Jimmy

[Jorge]

De La Hoya would simply be too strong. Im surprized he was ever able to put himself in a lightweight body. Turns out DLH beat or got robbed against much bigger great fighters such as Triniday, Quartey, etc. In contrast, Arguello jumped a single division and got the fuk beat out of him.

[elmersalsa]

De La Hoya would simply be too strong. Im surprized he was ever able to put himself in a lightweight body. Turns out DLH beat or got robbed against much bigger great fighters such as Triniday, Quartey, etc. In contrast, Arguello jumped a single division and got the fuk beat out of him.

De La Hoya is not in Arguello's class.

[p4p1]

De La Hoya would simply be too strong. Im surprized he was ever able to put himself in a lightweight body. Turns out DLH beat or got robbed against much bigger great fighters such as Triniday, Quartey, etc. In contrast, Arguello jumped a single division and got the fuk beat out of him.

arguello started as a feather weight so it was more than one division pryor was in the best 2 super lightweights ever

[kidbazooka1]

DLH makes it interesting for the first few rds but Arguello's accuracy and power would be too much for DLH at 135lb.

Alexis by late rd stoppage.

[prettygoldenboy]

argullo was great no question but so is de la hoya u just do not give him credit if this was about trinidad you would say he is awesome yet de la hoya gave him a boxing lesson for 8 rounds then got robbed and how can u say they would knock each other down in differt rounds coz the fact is every fighter is different a shot that puts one fighter down will not put another down so no 1 has a clue what would happen