Hamed is back!

[fist]

Floyd would have obliterated Naz in the same way MAB did, if not by stoppage.

Hmm the same old myth that Naseem was "obliterated" by Barrera. Not really true is it. Naseem didnt prepare, didnt focus, fought terrible and still went thr full 12 rounds. Barerra fought excellent, clearly won, but it simply wasn;t the destruction that some people believe. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been possible for Naseem to win a rematch - it would have meant proper preparation, training hard and a strategy to box rather than simply looking for a KO. If Naseem connected properly with any fighter they were going down.

[observer1]

Floyd would have obliterated Naz in the same way MAB did, if not by stoppage.

Hmm the same old myth that Naseem was "obliterated" by Barrera. Not really true is it. Naseem didnt prepare, didnt focus, fought terrible and still went thr full 12 rounds. Barerra fought excellent, clearly won, but it simply wasn;t the destruction that some people believe. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been possible for Naseem to win a rematch - it would have meant proper preparation, training hard and a strategy to box rather than simply looking for a KO. If Naseem connected properly with any fighter they were going down.

indeed, im sure even as poorly prepared Naseem was going in to he Fight, he manged to Knock down Barrera in the fight iirc right?

[Spud]

Can't believe this thread has lasted so long - Naz is not coming back and as for him taking on PBF - bloody hell even with Naz at his best - PBF would have destroyed him inside 4 rounds.

[states]

Floyd would have obliterated Naz in the same way MAB did, if not by stoppage.

Hmm the same old myth that Naseem was "obliterated" by Barrera. Not really true is it. Naseem didnt prepare, didnt focus, fought terrible and still went thr full 12 rounds. Barerra fought excellent, clearly won, but it simply wasn;t the destruction that some people believe. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been possible for Naseem to win a rematch - it would have meant proper preparation, training hard and a strategy to box rather than simply looking for a KO. If Naseem connected properly with any fighter they were going down.

indeed, im sure even as poorly prepared Naseem was going in to he Fight, he manged to Knock down Barrera in the fight iirc right?

Not as far as I remember.

[Goz]

Floyd would have obliterated Naz in the same way MAB did, if not by stoppage.

Hmm the same old myth that Naseem was "obliterated" by Barrera. Not really true is it. Naseem didnt prepare, didnt focus, fought terrible and still went thr full 12 rounds. Barerra fought excellent, clearly won, but it simply wasn;t the destruction that some people believe. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been possible for Naseem to win a rematch - it would have meant proper preparation, training hard and a strategy to box rather than simply looking for a KO. If Naseem connected properly with any fighter they were going down.

indeed, im sure even as poorly prepared Naseem was going in to he Fight, he manged to Knock down Barrera in the fight iirc right?

No not correct.

Although many forget that if Hamed had won 2/3 more rounds he would have won the fight. Hardly 'owned'.

[MightyWarrior]

Obliterated? Try "out pointed". It's not like Barrera walked straight through him like some bum - he was shit scared of trying to knock Naz out, wasn't he? Never took the chance, and maybe a cocky b*****d like Mayweather would have. You and I will never know

Course PBF would be a solid favorite, but as a boxing fans matchup, it beats the hell out of Floyd/Oscar/Hatton 2.

[stujones]

Hmm the same old myth that Naseem was "obliterated" by Barrera. Not really true is it. Naseem didnt prepare, didnt focus, fought terrible and still went thr full 12 rounds. Barerra fought excellent, clearly won, but it simply wasn;t the destruction that some people believe. I have absolutely no doubt that it would have been possible for Naseem to win a rematch - it would have meant proper preparation, training hard and a strategy to box rather than simply looking for a KO. If Naseem connected properly with any fighter they were going down.

indeed, im sure even as poorly prepared Naseem was going in to he Fight, he manged to Knock down Barrera in the fight iirc right?

No not correct.

Although many forget that if Hamed had won 2/3 more rounds he would have won the fight. Hardly 'owned'.

Thats would have been one of the biggest travesities ever though.

[fist]

indeed, im sure even as poorly prepared Naseem was going in to he Fight, he manged to Knock down Barrera in the fight iirc right?

No not correct.

Although many forget that if Hamed had won 2/3 more rounds he would have won the fight. Hardly 'owned'.

Thats would have been one of the biggest travesities ever though.

Not really. Hamed fought badly, Barerra fought well and was very much in control. However, it was not a whitewash. Two of the judges had it 112 - 115. That were the scores, so yes a couple of better rounds from hamed and he would have taken the fight. Thats reality and thats fair. On his best night there is no reason why Hamed couldnt have done that or even better.

[stujones]

I know the score, and I know why it was scored that way - but Barrera was psychologically and physically IN CONTROL (difference from winning) every minute of every round.

Barrera had studied Hamed meticulously, and knew Hamed was always dangerous (possibly at his most dangerous) when his opponent things he was ready to go (for me the downfall of Kevin Kelly - if you view his trainers in rounds comments).... so Barrera was extra cautious and just did enough to stay in control at all times. Do you think if Hamed was better that Barrera wouldn't have been able to have adapted? Of course he would have.

I think Barrera, who DID take some meaty Hamed shots, would have thrown caution to the wind in a rematch - and stopped Hamed. This is what he said he was going to do, and I cannot see why not. He had 1) Exposed Hamed 2) Exposed the myth that he was chinny in this and subsequent fights.

I just don't think a prime Hamed would have beaten any of the big 3 Mexicans or Pacquiao.

As for Mayweather 1) Aside from Demarcus Corley VERY briefly - no fighter, not even DLH, has hurt him. 2) Would Hamed catch him clean - DLH and Hatton didn't.

Aside from the size difference.... even Hamed said in that interview that Floyd is the greatest - very humble and honest enough for him to say that, fair do's.

Hamed was good, no doubting that - but in a 10 year title reign - you can count on 2 fingers the amount of guys who have given Floyd a bit of a scare, and for me the Castillo fight was very much a small scare at best and he's beaten some damn good fighters. He's that good.

[Maelstrom]

I know the score, and I know why it was scored that way - but Barrera was psychologically and physically IN CONTROL (difference from winning) every minute of every round.

Barrera had studied Hamed meticulously, and knew Hamed was always dangerous (possibly at his most dangerous) when his opponent things he was ready to go (for me the downfall of Kevin Kelly - if you view his trainers in rounds comments).... so Barrera was extra cautious and just did enough to stay in control at all times. Do you think if Hamed was better that Barrera wouldn't have been able to have adapted? Of course he would have.

I think Barrera, who DID take some meaty Hamed shots, would have thrown caution to the wind in a rematch - and stopped Hamed. This is what he said he was going to do, and I cannot see why not. He had 1) Exposed Hamed 2) Exposed the myth that he was chinny in this and subsequent fights.

I just don't think a prime Hamed would have beaten any of the big 3 Mexicans or Pacquiao.

As for Mayweather 1) Aside from Demarcus Corley VERY briefly - no fighter, not even DLH, has hurt him. 2) Would Hamed catch him clean - DLH and Hatton didn't.

Aside from the size difference.... even Hamed said in that interview that Floyd is the greatest - very humble and honest enough for him to say that, fair do's.

Hamed was good, no doubting that - but in a 10 year title reign - you can count on 2 fingers the amount of guys who have given Floyd a bit of a scare, and for me the Castillo fight was very much a small scare at best and he's beaten some damn good fighters. He's that good.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST. Using the scores as a justification to say Hamed wasn't owned is a bit misleading.

OK, so the cardss ays he won by three. But let's face it, MAB could have stepped it up at any time if the need arose.

For me he displayed, clearly, the difference between world and elite class. Naz was out of his league....

[Gray-Fox]

I know the score, and I know why it was scored that way - but Barrera was psychologically and physically IN CONTROL (difference from winning) every minute of every round.

Barrera had studied Hamed meticulously, and knew Hamed was always dangerous (possibly at his most dangerous) when his opponent things he was ready to go (for me the downfall of Kevin Kelly - if you view his trainers in rounds comments).... so Barrera was extra cautious and just did enough to stay in control at all times. Do you think if Hamed was better that Barrera wouldn't have been able to have adapted? Of course he would have.

I think Barrera, who DID take some meaty Hamed shots, would have thrown caution to the wind in a rematch - and stopped Hamed. This is what he said he was going to do, and I cannot see why not. He had 1) Exposed Hamed 2) Exposed the myth that he was chinny in this and subsequent fights.

I just don't think a prime Hamed would have beaten any of the big 3 Mexicans or Pacquiao.

As for Mayweather 1) Aside from Demarcus Corley VERY briefly - no fighter, not even DLH, has hurt him. 2) Would Hamed catch him clean - DLH and Hatton didn't.

Aside from the size difference.... even Hamed said in that interview that Floyd is the greatest - very humble and honest enough for him to say that, fair do's.

Hamed was good, no doubting that - but in a 10 year title reign - you can count on 2 fingers the amount of guys who have given Floyd a bit of a scare, and for me the Castillo fight was very much a small scare at best and he's beaten some damn good fighters. He's that good.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST. Using the scores as a justification to say Hamed wasn't owned is a bit misleading.

OK, so the cardss ays he won by three. But let's face it, MAB could have stepped it up at any time if the need arose.

For me he displayed, clearly, the difference between world and elite class. Naz was out of his league....

Yep, great post from Stu. Glad he agrees with me, and his opinion is one of few I regard on here.

I must correct him though...Zab Judah hurt Mayweather with a MASSIVE left hand in the third round of their fight. The second time (along with the Corley fight) ever, I've seen Mayweather's head go fully back from a shot.

[banjo]

Naz won't come back because his heart is not in the sport, he is too devoted to his family. It maybe just a coincidence but I noticed Naz started to decline once he got married and had children, he wanted to spend more time with them than he did in the gym.

[Chambers2]

Great interview from Naz, "I've not told you I've retired yet!"

Come on then Naz, dust them boots off

[E]

Hamed does seem to have mellowed and actually become more likeable in spirit with his weight gain. Still the man did ruin a man's life then lord it up on leaving prison.,,,

And he's still a fat dwarf.

But I don't think he will or should come back...

I'd like him too for entertainment's sake but it would end in tears

[deadpan]

Don't forget MAB had a point deduction for the turnbuckle move, which made the fight seem closer.

It was a much more comprehensive victory than hopkins-calzaghe, yet two of the scorecards were very similar.

[glahn]

Naz peaked early and was clearly on the way down when he fought Barrera. If the fight had been a year earlier (or more) I could see Naz winning, but he was mostly schooled because his head (amongst other things) wasn't right, not because he lacked the talent to win the fight.

[s9s]

Wasn't it MAB's first fight at the weight when he fought Naz? Also did he say "who's the daddy now?" when he slammed Naz's face in the ring post? Naz was outboxed and for once Naz had not out psyced his opponent and was with a fighter who was not scared(although the other mexican he fought , I forget his name, was also not scared, the one who wrestled Naz to the ground).

[TerribleTerry]

Can't believe this thread has lasted so long - Naz is not coming back and as for him taking on PBF - bloody hell even with Naz at his best - PBF would have destroyed him inside 4 rounds.

even with NAz rising in weight to super feather I cant see a situation where PBF would obliterate him inside 4 rnds - Naz is no Angel Manfredy (and even then the fight was stopped prematurely).

PBF would be favourite to win, but I cant see anything that would point towards an early KO in favour of Floyd.

[Maelstrom]

Naz peaked early and was clearly on the way down when he fought Barrera. If the fight had been a year earlier (or more) I could see Naz winning, but he was mostly schooled because his head (amongst other things) wasn't right, not because he lacked the talent to win the fight.

Oh please....

[Reyes]

Just announced his comeback on Sky Sports News.

He said that in 2005, but no signs of him yet!!!!

He's just trying to keep his name in lights: I don't believe that he has the stomach for a fight these days.

Let's just leave it with that he just has the stomach

[Twinkle Toes]

It's naive or just plain hate to suggest we saw the best of Hamed in the Barerra fight.

His preparation was shocking in reality, and Hamed let himself down badly - I'm not suggesting he would have beaten Barrera, but we most certainly would have seen a whole lot more from Hamed.

I can understand folk not liking the guy, but he is for certain one of the biggest natural talents we have seen.

[stujones]

Don't forget MAB had a point deduction for the turnbuckle move, which made the fight seem closer.

It was a much more comprehensive victory than hopkins-calzaghe, yet two of the scorecards were very similar.

It actually bared a striking resemblence to that fight - early on especially - with Hopkins in the Barrera mode. As with the Naz fight, Hopkins/Barrera was in control if not necessarily winning all the rounds.

Main difference was - Hopkins is 43, not 27 and couldn't sustain the same level of "control". Even though he did enough to nick it on mine, and a few others, card.

[stujones]

It's naive or just plain hate to suggest we saw the best of Hamed in the Barerra fight.

His preparation was shocking in reality, and Hamed let himself down badly - I'm not suggesting he would have beaten Barrera, but we most certainly would have seen a whole lot more from Hamed.

I can understand folk not liking the guy, but he is for certain one of the biggest natural talents we have seen.

No Hamed wasn't at his prime - but Marco had a few other gears to go to. Plus, its been said that Barrera wasn't quite the same since the first Morales fight.

[Arbachakov]

You have to feel sorry for previous world class British featherweights like Winstone and Cowdell.

when you watch them against Mexican all-time greats like Saldivar and Sanchez and compare their performances to Hamed's blundering, naseem seems like an unskilled hack.

Hamed also made no effort to press the fight or go for broke in any way, even with his corner telling him to.he displays a very clear lack of heart against Marco, basically totally psyched out.

Easily one of the worst performances from a top British fighter.

[Kilburn]

An 18yr old Naz would have done better against Barrera that the version that showed up in 2000.

Flat footed, little head movement, poor workrate. These aren't the attributes that define Naseem Hamed.

Barrera turned up and did a professional job, but had he fought Naz in 96/97 he'd have got beaten up. No doubt in my mind.