Khan Splits from Oliver

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Carbo,

The reason why Khan has done so well thus far has got one hell of a lot to do with Oliver Harrison - I have raved about this bloke for years!!!

When I actually thought Hatton was going to dump Graham - I could not think of a better person to take on the job.

I have been in the dressing room with my lad watching and listening carefully how Harrison prepares his fighters and what a calming influence he has over every single one of them - in addition the sound and to the point advice he gives them.

I completely concur with your comments on the positive aspects of Khans make up - clearly in my view he is a very good boxer indeed but this whole thing for me stinks.

Out of everyone - whether it be Khan, the media, his family and the boxing fans for me it is Amir Khan who is the impatient one - it is Amir Khan who is NOT listening to the right people - he has gone to Vegas seen the bright lights - listened to bullsh*tters in the gyms - sampled the big fight atmosphere and the hype that goes with it in the media - and thought I want this - nothing wrong with that - but instead of being patient in my view he thinks for whatever reason he has a god given right to it right now.

Amir Khan has one hell of a lot to learn and despite what any of you write on here - I believe Frank W arren has got it spot on by not rushing Khan - and I believe Khan thinks he has arrived in the BIG league now and thus in my opinion the people that really count like his bloody good trainer Oliver Harrison it seems Khan is intent on dumping him - WRONG move and very BAD move in my view - certainly at this stage anyhow.

There was an interview I recently seen that I choked on my cup of tea when listening to it - it was Khans business manager if that is his title - "We are going global" - who the f*ck is he?? - let the lad prove he is a hit on the world class front before you go f*cking global - look at Hatton from that perspective he got his career path spot on!!!

And there are many of you lot on here who say boxing is not about money!!!

Im sure your right about the quality of Harrison, but that doesnt mean there aren't any benefits to changing trainer, should they choose someone who is technically superior. It's not necessarily a bad thing if Harrision was reacing the zenith of his abilities. I think it depends on whether or not Harrision was reaching his limit and whether or not Khan's talent requires greater scope than what Harrison can provide. Suppose we'll have to see who he ends up with.

I dont agree with the criticisms some have on here about Khan's attitude. The criticisms have come non stop since he turned pro and before. The lad seems nice enough and its a bloody good thing that he is confident and is aiming high. That's what fighting is about. The confidence does not detract from the fact he seems a decent lad, from a decent family. Amrchair pundits, especially the self perceived boxrec experts, can be pretty bitter sometimes

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Sure, Khan's career has been tightly managed, as was Harrison's, but the comparisons end there.
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I don't think Khans as bad as Harrison BUT lets look how he compares to world champs:

Delahoya - champ within 18months of turning pro

Mayweather - champ in 24months of turning pro

Calazage - champ within 4years of turning pro

Khans nearly 3 years into his pro career and hasn't yet fought a top20 fighter.

[DG.]

i have seen the the article it was on page 64 beside a gold painted woman on another forum it says Oliver was not on the usual 10 per cent but a weekly wage has any one else ever heard of this type of payment.

Depending on the WAGE, a weekly wage is not so bad.

If Harrison is on £2k a week - it is ok, if he is not - it is not OK.

Either Way, OH deserves to be paid a good wage for what he has done with Amir,


Amir is NOT READY - personally i doubt he ever will be , but OH should be paid well!

As I said , £2k a week is fine, £100k a year approx.

That is the same as Amir been paid £1M a year, which is quite possible.

[observer1]

Sure, Khan's career has been tightly managed, as was Harrison's, but the comparisons end there.
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I don't think Khans as bad as Harrison BUT lets look how he compares to world champs:

Delahoya - champ within 18months of turning pro

Mayweather - champ in 24months of turning pro

Calazage - champ within 4years of turning pro

Khans nearly 3 years into his pro career and hasn't yet fought a top20 fighter.

Thats more to do with allegedly that Harrison thought isn't it ?

i mean Joe is another Warren Man, and it took him 4..

the Non Warren men have been much more quicker

[tonyevs]

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I understand that now you've set your stall out you have to defend it, but arguing the toss when you've been caught out just makes you look more like what the Russians would call a durak.

Caught out? Caught out how??

The basic/simple truth is .. none of his fights - like Audleys - were anything other than 90%dead cert wins for him.

This is the norm - and part of boxings problems.
The issue has began to be addressed - we are seeing more `real fights` being made - which in turn is making the game more attractive and popular.

But Khan, like Audley did before him .. spouted "I`m this.." and "I`m that.." .. and continued to fight disgustingly one sided fights
He too may say this and that .. but actions speak louder than words

Audley was a hero when he first joined the BBC ... as was Khan, I myself raved about him in the beginning .. but mine and it seems most of the people I talk to also have had enough of the hype and BS :(

Boxing needs competitive fights, that was shown in the recent `Prizefighter` tournament .. the guys were never hyped up to be the next Ray Leonard or saviour of British boxing .. it was just a night of competitive fights, no one-sided mis-matches, just two guys with an even chance of winning .. and the fans loved it

The people who go to Khans fights, do so not to see good action - but to see Khan beat up on an out gunned fall-guy .. they aren`t real followers of the game :(

[Carbo]

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I understand that now you've set your stall out you have to defend it, but arguing the toss when you've been caught out just makes you look more like what the Russians would call a durak.

Caught out? Caught out how??

The basic/simple truth is .. none of his fights - like Audleys - were anything other than 90%dead cert wins for him.

This is the norm - and part of boxings problems.
The issue has began to be addressed - we are seeing more `real fights` being made - which in turn is making the game more attractive and popular.

But Khan, like Audley did before him .. spouted "I`m this.." and "I`m that.." .. and continued to fight disgustingly one sided fights
He too may say this and that .. but actions speak louder than words

Audley was a hero when he first joined the BBC ... as was Khan, I myself raved about him in the beginning .. but mine and it seems most of the people I talk to also have had enough of the hype and BS :(

Boxing needs competitive fights, that was shown in the recent `Prizefighter` tournament .. the guys were never hyped up to be the next Ray Leonard or saviour of British boxing .. it was just a night of competitive fights, no one-sided mis-matches, just two guys with an even chance of winning .. and the fans loved it

The people who go to Khans fights, do so not to see good action - but to see Khan beat up on an out gunned fall-guy .. they aren`t real followers of the game :(

8) 8)

Perhaps speaking in your language will help you understand.

[Gray-Fox]

Im sure your right about the quality of Harrison, but that doesnt mean there aren't any benefits to changing trainer, should they choose someone who is technically superior.

Roger = Attack minded. Floyd Sr = Defence minded. If Khan goes with Roger, he will come unstuck far earlier than even we have projected. Khan and his cronies are falling foul of what they've seen on TV, and thinking that Roger is responsible for Floyd's ability and skill. It really shows a lack of knowledge about the sport if you ask me.

It's not necessarily a bad thing if Harrision was reacing the zenith of his abilities. I think it depends on whether or not Harrision was reaching his limit and whether or not Khan's talent requires greater scope than what Harrison can provide. Suppose we'll have to see who he ends up with.

I think Khan's boxing skills have improved since he has been with Harrison. He's not as wild, and he's putting his shots together more. Khan's defence isn't great because of Khan, not because of Harrison. I have no doubt that Harrison has shown him defensive techniques, but it's up to Khan to practice them, not Oliver. Oliver can only do so much.

[Carbo]

But telling is one thing, making a fighter do is another, and I know which is the most important.

[coneye]

n. I have no doubt that Harrison has shown him defensive techniques, but it's up to Khan to practice them, not Oliver. Oliver can only do so much.[/quote][/quote]

Agree he would of been told and shown and just like it seems to appear even on the management side he don't listen , too cocky personaly i would liketo see him go there and gradually if not straight away they would erode Fwanks hold on the boy and put him in with a few tough mexican type journey men and that will be the last of him

[tonyevs]

: 8) 8)

Perhaps speaking in your language will help you understand.

Hmmm .. I see you have grasped how to win an argument

The old talk bollox and offer no evidence to prove your theory line eh? .. you must be an intellectual genius at debating

[whiskey]

lol Harry

[whiskey]

We'll see him split from Warren next

[stujones]

Carbo,

The reason why Khan has done so well thus far has got one hell of a lot to do with Oliver Harrison - I have raved about this bloke for years!!!

Not disputing Harrison's qualities as a trainer - but I think that might be a bit OTT. We are dealing with one of the finest talents ever to come from the UK IMO.

[Gray-Fox]

We are dealing with one of the finest talents ever to come from the UK IMO.

I do agree with that.

[Spud]

Beagleboys/Twenty Six,

This is a FACT.

I spoke to Oliver Harrison yesterday - even though we get on reasonably well Olly was at first obviously reluctant to talk about the Amir Khan situation due to it being relatively big news within boxing and Olly wanted to do right by everyone.

Oliver is under contract and is not able to speak formallly on this matter at this stage - at first Oliver made a statement to me but after a deal of thought I am not going to write anything - I will state again Beagle your theory concerning this situation is not correct - Olly is not the type of bloke to shout from the rooftops about this and that - but this is one of those situations where he simply cannot understand, he felt he got on really well with Amir both on a personal and professional basis and again he stated he cannot understand why this situation has arisen as he was under the impression he was doing a good job as Amir Khan's trainer.

I best leave it there - this is one of those situations where them chaps at Sportsnetwork will sort things out - and no doubt Team Khan will issue a statement.

At some stage Oliver will speak "on the record" about things and it will hopefully put into context some of what has gone on.

I will state again - I honestly believe in my humble opinion things were going on nicely - Mr W arren is doing a good job as the promoter, and I feel Khan is being matched well and there is absolutely no need to rush the lad - and I also feel a lot of that progress is down to Oliver Harrison and the way he has trained Khan.

If as many of you feel Khan is a bright talent and one of the best to come out of the UK - which I tend to agree - and if Khan wanted to get the so called very best trainer there is around - and I will state again I believe the likes of Oliver Harrison, Richard Poxon, Robert McCracken and The Ingle Brothers are the best "youngish" trainers the UK has got - why is there a need to go outside the UK - are we now saying our trainers in the UK are not good enough?

In addition if Khan was being that serious about his career why didn't he approach the trainer he wanted to work with for his career from the outset? - I simply think this situation stinks.

[DavidPayne]

I love how Spud thinks Khan should prove he's world class first before going global.

Ugh? Is there another globe we're referring to here that isn't the world. Is it Spud's head?

I think this is about as surprising as the shenanigans surrounding the Guzman non-fight.

Khan is an ego waiting to explode, he's surrounded by family who want the "best for him", he's the one taking the punches after all. I bet its going to be big fights every fight from here on in.

It has to be said though. He hasn't proven to be the superstar talent he looked as an Amateur. He's a very, very promising prospect but I don't think he's the once in a lifetime talent he's promoted as.

Not that I think he's being promoted badly, he isn't at all, but I think he still shows too many flaws and he isn't the puncher he thinks he is.

Big muscles doesn't always equate to big punches AMir.

[Spud]

I love how Spud thinks Khan should prove he's world class first before going global.

Ugh? Is there another globe we're referring to here that isn't the world. Is it Spud's head?

I think this is about as surprising as the shenanigans surrounding the Guzman non-fight.

Khan is an ego waiting to explode, he's surrounded by family who want the "best for him", he's the one taking the punches after all. I bet its going to be big fights every fight from here on in.

It has to be said though. He hasn't proven to be the superstar talent he looked as an Amateur. He's a very, very promising prospect but I don't think he's the once in a lifetime talent he's promoted as.

Not that I think he's being promoted badly, he isn't at all, but I think he still shows too many flaws and he isn't the puncher he thinks he is.

Big muscles doesn't always equate to big punches AMir.

Payne,

Give it a rest will you - you know exactly what I am getting at - keep to the thread in hand and keep to boxing.

[tyson]

An Olympic silver medalist with the best Promotional company in the country , how hard a job was it to get him through his first 3 years against mediocre opposition . The one tough test v Limond he nearly come unstuck.
I can see where the ingles could have helped him if he listened , but Amir is his own man and like previous posts mention Oliver may have being telling him what to do but once the bell went Amir knew best.

PS lets not forget Dean Powells contribution in the corner will he still be a fixture.

[Autobarn]

I think Khan may have been KO'd already if he'd been with the Ingles! He has the reflexes to pull the style off, but keeping his gloves down and limbo dancing would've got him KO'd by now.

[twenty six]

I only posted what I heard, Spud.
As you point out the truth will only "out" once the Contract has expired and the legals are out of the way.
It's another "Naz / Hatton like" scenario.
Khan has earned and will earn shed loads.
For whatever reason, he wants the majority to stay "in house" and that means surrounding himself with family members, close friends etc, ( often yes men) all taking the slice, but then putting it back in the pot if you get my drift.
All sentimentality disappears and that's where Oliver's 10% (if that's the figure) of a major purse is seen as leakage rather than what it is - the right rate for a quality trainer.
The next move will be self Promotion - subject to which Promotor is prepared to rent the licence for a small fee rather than a percentage of income ( starting to ring bells with Hatton, Spud ?).
Look what happened with Naz.
Left Brendan after loyal service from the age of 11, just because Brendan was starting to get a pay back on his investment.
Creates his own Promotional Company.
Then he needs a trainer - but needs a yes man.
Starts with Steward who a/ won't do as he is told. b/ Wants too much.
Then ends up with a non discript yes man who is paid buttons.
The we have the panic and the ridiculous situation of two trainers in the corner, taking turns between rounds to try and tell Naz what to do !!
Result ? Earn loads, career over.
Look what's happening with Hatton. Similarities ?
We've all heard the rumours about the rifts in the training camp.

Difference here with Khan is that,
a/ he aint won a thing yet.
b/ he aint the finished article - by a mile.

Sadly I see this all ending in tears professionally, but nicely financially.
Oliver should dust himself down, and move on.
The purists will know what he done for Khan so far.
He can then sit back and share a quiet drink as he watches the whole Khan circus implode.

[harrygreb]

khan going his own way is deffo on the cards

[Glyn Leach]

Somebody who should know told me this is less to do with training Khan than it is about Oliver 'not playing ball' over certain business issues. There was a big row between Oliver and the family prior to Khan's last fight, resulting in Oliver wearing an 'Oliver's Gym' cap in the corner while Khan is contracted to Reebok, which caused increased friction - sounds petty, I know, but Reebok are paying fortunes so Oliver's 'statement' was quite an issue with Khan's family and sponsors. Even from a training perspective, knives have been out for Oliver for some time. But now money, and the family's perception that Oliver is willing to compromise Khan's marketability, is involved, it would be surprising if Oliver survives this situation with his job intact.

[Carbo]

Well, it sounds as if Harrison is on the way. Shame, but it looks as if it will definately happen now.

I think he should move to the states, get some quality sparring and some proven world class training. Let's just hope he doesn't become an Alex Arthur and chop and change every three minutes. Let's also hope he doesn't choose as badly has Hamed, whose choices of Suarez and Strward would have been awful individually given his style, but were dreadful as a team, as they were giving him contradictory instructions.

Steward wouldn't be a bad choice, given Khan's style, but for me, Roach would be the man.

[punchers chance]

The spilt is confirmed by Khan's dad in today's Manchester Evening News but he declined to comment further.
According to the MEN there will be a press release later this week.

[overhand_right]

Sounds like Amir well & truly has his head lodged firmly up his own ar#e.

He really thinks he's the dogs boll#cks-- Yuri Romanov & many others would educate him.

Guys done nothing & heading for a loss, maybe Oliver wants out before the inevitible? "he could of avoided that knockout if he'd stayed with me!"

Cant see Amir moving out to Vegas though. Not without his whole family, IMO.