yep, whats wrong with a pool system? im not sugesting it as an idea for boxing but why do u think its ineffective?
I didn't say anything was wrong - I don't know anything about wrestling. I was just asking if they did the pool system in the Olympics.
that was my fault i thought u were being more sarcastic and critical
emile wrote:Well, you can make a totally objective seeding system pretty easily. Give Olympic seeds to the top four from the World Championships and each continental champion, for example. But that stuff can start to be self-selecting (getting better draws allows the same boxers to keep winning and getting seeded again), and it doesn't necessarily get the best fighters apart in the draw.
Perhaps it's less controversial in wrestling, because they can wrestle multiple times a day and have enough matches to better sort out the best.
Every big wrestling tournament Ive been in does it like that. They seed like the top 8 based off of major expirence then the rest is a draw. (I'm a Collegiate wrestler)
Dominican Winston Mendez repeated his victrory from last year over cuban Yampier Hernandez but the cuban still has one chance winning tomorrow against Colombia.
First session of semi-finals:
48 kg:
Winston Méndez (DOM) a Yampier Hernández (CUB) 13-6
Paulo Carvalho (BRA) a Oscar Negrete (COL) 20-4
57 kg:
Roberto Navarro (DOM) a Giovanny Pantaleón (GUA) 14-3
Robson Conceiçao (BRA) a Abner Cotto (PUR) 24-6
64 kg:
Félix Díaz Guzmán (DOM) a Myke Carvalho (BRA) 8-6
Jonathan González (PUR) a Gumersindo Carrasco (ARG) 10-8
75 kg:
Ezequiel Maderna (ARG) a Clarence Joseph (ISV) 10-6
Shawn Estrada (USA) a Yamaguchi Florentino Falcao (BRA) 12-7
91 kg:
Hamilton Ventura (BRA) a Jacques Lois Sylveira (CAN) 11-5
Deivi Julio (COL) a Alexander Vellón (PUR) 10-1
I do not know what is up with some of the scores this tournament. Arash Usmanee lost big to Conceicao also, and he just boxed him 2 months ago and lost a decision that could have gone either way 13 - 10. Is this kid all of a sudden Superman or is the scoring a little bias? Abner Cotto is another good boxer that loses big to Conceicao. What is going on?
Super heavyweight Michael Hunter (Las Vegas, Nev.) suffered a devastating loss in his semifinal bout with Venezuela’s Jose Payares at the Americas Qualifier in Guatemala City, Guatemala. The defeat eliminates Hunter from Olympic contention.
Hunter, who had been battling an illness throughout his time in Guatemala, fell behind by one point after the opening two minutes before the Venezuelan extended his lead to a 5-2 margin after two rounds of boxing. Payares moved out to a four-point advantage in the third before winning a 10-3 decision over Hunter.
WOW! A hard blow for US boxing not qualifying the super heavyweight. I wasn't very high on Hunter, looks clumsy to me, like a big baby. But after his win over Oscar Rivas in Trinidad I expected him to get by Payares who recently moved up from 91 kg.
Blackeye 84 wrote:I do not know what is up with some of the scores this tournament. Arash Usmanee lost big to Conceicao also, and he just boxed him 2 months ago and lost a decision that could have gone either way 13 - 10. Is this kid all of a sudden Superman or is the scoring a little bias? Abner Cotto is another good boxer that loses big to Conceicao. What is going on?
It's difficult to tell by the scores only. I'm not that impressed by Cotto so I'm not surprised he lost to the brazilian who holds a win over cuban champion Ivan Oñate recently.
NYboxing wrote:Super heavyweight Michael Hunter (Las Vegas, Nev.) suffered a devastating loss in his semifinal bout with Venezuela’s Jose Payares at the Americas Qualifier in Guatemala City, Guatemala. The defeat eliminates Hunter from Olympic contention.
Hunter, who had been battling an illness throughout his time in Guatemala, fell behind by one point after the opening two minutes before the Venezuelan extended his lead to a 5-2 margin after two rounds of boxing. Payares moved out to a four-point advantage in the third before winning a 10-3 decision over Hunter.
(source USA BOXING)
Not doubting you or anything but where does it say that on USA Boxing? I cant find it anywhere on their website
Cotto lost bad, it's funny how the yesterdy I read the papers and the teams trainer said the Brazilian was supposed to be easier than Marriaga because of his height, well it seems it wasn't even a factor.
51 kg:
Robenilson Vieria (BRA) a Braulio Avila (MEX) 20-9
Eddie Valenzuela (GUA) a Willian Urina (COL) RSCO-3
60 kg:
José Pedraza (PUR) a Alexis Folleco (ECU) RSCOS 3
Everton Lopes (BRA) a Francisco Vargas (MEX) 11-6
69 kg:
Gilber Lenin Castillo (DOM) a Alex Terán (COL ) 12-2
Taureano Johnson (BAH) - Omar Moreno (VEN) 23-6
81 kg:
Julius Jackson (ISV) a Ventura Vásquez (MEX) 21-13
Eleider Alvarez (COL) a Azea Austinama (HAI) 8-3
+91 kg:
José Payares (VEN) a Michael Hunter (USA) 10-3
Oscar Rivas (COL) a Gleison Silva (BRA) 6-5
Nice for the host country to get one boxer in. They haven't had an olympian since 1992. Oscar Rivas got his last point with seconds remaining, breaking a tie. Julian Jackson got both his sons to the Olympics, not bad!
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It's been mentioned before, but Americans sad about Downs being out can still root for Azea Augustama today, a Haitian-American from Hollywood, Florida. Augustama has lived in the US since 1990, since he was 6 or 7.
That hurts not having Hunter. He's a good young man and I thought he would do well with a good draw. Too bad they didn't take the top two from Trinidad at +91 kg or he would be in.
As far as the 3rd place guys go, I read where they were taken the guy who lost to the eventual gold medal winner and not doing a box off like they did in Trinidad.
JMac wrote:That hurts not having Hunter. He's a good young man and I thought he would do well with a good draw. Too bad they didn't take the top two from Trinidad at +91 kg or he would be in.
As far as the 3rd place guys go, I read where they were taken the guy who lost to the eventual gold medal winner and not doing a box off like they did in Trinidad.
It did say that in the materials, but I just can't imagine anyone would agree to do it that way. The winners of the finals will be random, with doubtlessly a number of walkovers. It would be grossly unfair, and invite corruption.
EDIT - I just checked and AIBA has these third-place bouts taking place today - before the finals. Whew.
I'm American, like the majority here, and wanted to see Hunter at the Olympics. But I also have to congratulate Jose Payares for making it, and wish him the best in Beijing. Some other good photos too on the Yahoo site.
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