EUBANKS SON BEING KEPT SECRET !!

[Spud]

Deserter,

How dare you take the moral high ground by stating "no wonder this country is f*cked" - what a complete load of b*llocks!!!

It is you and the rest of your "do gooders" who cry at a bit of banter and then go into hypocritical mode by ridiculing those that are not as clever as you with words - and then you get on your soap box about a teenage lad who has clearly made a mistake by putting his video on youtube.

I don't know what age you f*cking lived in but even when I took a couple of beatings all those years ago I went into it knowing I was going to get hurt a whole lot less if I didn't adhere to the queensbury rules - you cry about this lad clearly making a mistake but you and your cronies bleat and bleat about it.

Instead of making a fuss about a lad kicking a bloke in the head a few times -why not make a fuss about some poor sod getting shot or knived - why not complain about pensioners get mugged - or crimes far worse than that.

But no - you choose to bleat and cry about 2 lads going into a fight - with both of them knowing the consequences if they hit the deck - both of them wanting the fight - and whats more both of them wanted the bragging rights that goes with the winner.

Now please do not bleat on with a completely and utterly b*llocks statement about thats why this country is in a mess - did you live in the 70's when football violence was at its worst - did you never have a scrap at school or did you never get your fists out ever - I f*cking did because I had to otherwise I would have been in hosptial - it was me or him.

Attitudes have not changed - teenagers still fight - teenagers still get drunk and teenagers still fight some more the difference is the stupid c*nts use guns, knives and machetes nowadays - thats why this country is in a f*cking mess not because Chris Eubank's son defended himself and gave his son a beating with his fists, head and feet - and I stress unlike the majority of scraps nowadays where weapons are used.

Get real and live in that real world - throw out your pimms and cucumber sarnies and deal with f*cking real issues and not ridicule and spout b*llocks about a teenage lad who has made no worse mistake than many many people have on here - the difference is he is Chris Eubanks son and thats why he is getting chastised for it - f*cking double standards!!!!

Spud, I'm torn between commenting on how f**king stupid you are at times or alternatively just laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of some of your sweeping statements.
You accuse me of hypocrisy, and yet yours borders on the breath-taking. If you can't see how the 'wannabe gangsta' attitude displayed by Chris Jr is symptomatic of the increasing attitude problem with many youths then you're blind - why on earth do you think guns and knives have been more prevalent? It's because you've got teenagers who are prepared to use them in a bid to be considered 'bad boys' you muppet. It's why we've got massive problems with teachers being physically attacked, it's why we've got 'happy slapping', it's why I was watching GMTV this morning and hearing about a woman in Manchester attacked and kicked around like a football by a gang of up to 30 teenagers, it's why you've got a 'goth' girl kicked to death for looking different...
Now before you try and twist my words, I'm not suggesting he's capable of some of the acts I've just outlined, but I am saying that the attitude he displays and the language he uses glorifies the violence and plays up the whole 'bad boy' attitude, and it's the adoption of this personna by increasing numbers of youth that leads to those acts - it's the thin end of the wedge.
Do I think he's the worst offender out there? Of course not. Do I find it disgusting that he's revelling in his 'bad boy' personna and glorifying the violence? Absolutely. You have to draw the line somewhere and my personal morals mean I draw it way short of the pathetic glorification on Chris Jr's site.
Oh, and for what it's worth I've never had Pimms and cucumber sandwiches in my life mate. Again, you want to brand me as part of some mythical PC crowd, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that I think we need stronger discipline with our youth. along with measures to help them channel their energy in a positive fashion through sport etc (including boxing)? I have zero time for the PC far left-wing crowd you seek to associate me with, but clearly having 'old fashioned morals' with regards to things like stamping on people's heads is something that doesn't sit well with you.
The irony is that I would have thought your army background would have made you advocate a similar stance regarding greater discipline etc.
I still can't help but feel that if that website was that of an anonymous 16-year-old from Hackney rather than the son of a famous boxer you'd be saying that it was indicative of why we've got serious problems with a significant minority of today's youth...
And BC, I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to reconcile the bragging on display on that site with the shy, polite young man you speak of. I genuinely hope that is the reality but his site strongly suggests otherwise.

Deserter,

I actually concur with a lot of what you are stating but as usual you and others twist everything I have to write on here.

My point all along especially if you read my previous posts on this thread - is that both lads consented to have a fight - teenage lads in fact adults have been having fights for years - I will state again both lads consented to this fight.

But because it is Chris Eubanks son he is ridiculed for it.

Whats more this very forum has had a variety of posters posting a variety of youtube clips of various sorts of fights some more brutal than others - but yet again its Chris Eubanks son is the one ridiculed for it.

I will state again - a lot of your post makes perfect sense - but deal with the real issues and yes a stronger discipline towards the youths of todays society would indeed be very good move - but there would still be fights that hasn't changed for bloody years and years - I feel yours and others quite personal attacks on Chris Eubanks son are uncalled for when in reality what is he really guilty of that his opponent isn't?

I am and have always been one for strong discipline - I would not have stuck the Army for 24 years if I wasn't - but I also like to believe we should deal with real issues - and if they have been dealt with then start sliding down the severity scale!!!!

Now please Deserter - I have no problems in carrying on this debate - but lets stop the ridiculing as I think it is a bloody good debate to have and you and others typically miss many of the points I try to make and I think that is all too convenient.

[STP]

So he'd be representing USA at Olympics, having lived there since July '06 (need to have lived in a country for minimum 24 months).


You guys need to lighten up abit, he's still obviously not grown up which is the case for most that age in society today, both sides of the pond. They idolized 50 Cent and shit, and can't let him go.

[Eraserhead]

Deserter,

How dare you take the moral high ground by stating "no wonder this country is f*cked" - what a complete load of b*llocks!!!

It is you and the rest of your "do gooders" who cry at a bit of banter and then go into hypocritical mode by ridiculing those that are not as clever as you with words - and then you get on your soap box about a teenage lad who has clearly made a mistake by putting his video on youtube.

I don't know what age you f*cking lived in but even when I took a couple of beatings all those years ago I went into it knowing I was going to get hurt a whole lot less if I didn't adhere to the queensbury rules - you cry about this lad clearly making a mistake but you and your cronies bleat and bleat about it.

Instead of making a fuss about a lad kicking a bloke in the head a few times -why not make a fuss about some poor sod getting shot or knived - why not complain about pensioners get mugged - or crimes far worse than that.

But no - you choose to bleat and cry about 2 lads going into a fight - with both of them knowing the consequences if they hit the deck - both of them wanting the fight - and whats more both of them wanted the bragging rights that goes with the winner.

Now please do not bleat on with a completely and utterly b*llocks statement about thats why this country is in a mess - did you live in the 70's when football violence was at its worst - did you never have a scrap at school or did you never get your fists out ever - I f*cking did because I had to otherwise I would have been in hosptial - it was me or him.

Attitudes have not changed - teenagers still fight - teenagers still get drunk and teenagers still fight some more the difference is the stupid c*nts use guns, knives and machetes nowadays - thats why this country is in a f*cking mess not because Chris Eubank's son defended himself and gave his son a beating with his fists, head and feet - and I stress unlike the majority of scraps nowadays where weapons are used.

Get real and live in that real world - throw out your pimms and cucumber sarnies and deal with f*cking real issues and not ridicule and spout b*llocks about a teenage lad who has made no worse mistake than many many people have on here - the difference is he is Chris Eubanks son and thats why he is getting chastised for it - f*cking double standards!!!!

Spud, I'm torn between commenting on how f**king stupid you are at times or alternatively just laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of some of your sweeping statements.
You accuse me of hypocrisy, and yet yours borders on the breath-taking. If you can't see how the 'wannabe gangsta' attitude displayed by Chris Jr is symptomatic of the increasing attitude problem with many youths then you're blind - why on earth do you think guns and knives have been more prevalent? It's because you've got teenagers who are prepared to use them in a bid to be considered 'bad boys' you muppet. It's why we've got massive problems with teachers being physically attacked, it's why we've got 'happy slapping', it's why I was watching GMTV this morning and hearing about a woman in Manchester attacked and kicked around like a football by a gang of up to 30 teenagers, it's why you've got a 'goth' girl kicked to death for looking different...
Now before you try and twist my words, I'm not suggesting he's capable of some of the acts I've just outlined, but I am saying that the attitude he displays and the language he uses glorifies the violence and plays up the whole 'bad boy' attitude, and it's the adoption of this personna by increasing numbers of youth that leads to those acts - it's the thin end of the wedge.
Do I think he's the worst offender out there? Of course not. Do I find it disgusting that he's revelling in his 'bad boy' personna and glorifying the violence? Absolutely. You have to draw the line somewhere and my personal morals mean I draw it way short of the pathetic glorification on Chris Jr's site.
Oh, and for what it's worth I've never had Pimms and cucumber sandwiches in my life mate. Again, you want to brand me as part of some mythical PC crowd, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that I think we need stronger discipline with our youth. along with measures to help them channel their energy in a positive fashion through sport etc (including boxing)? I have zero time for the PC far left-wing crowd you seek to associate me with, but clearly having 'old fashioned morals' with regards to things like stamping on people's heads is something that doesn't sit well with you.
The irony is that I would have thought your army background would have made you advocate a similar stance regarding greater discipline etc.
I still can't help but feel that if that website was that of an anonymous 16-year-old from Hackney rather than the son of a famous boxer you'd be saying that it was indicative of why we've got serious problems with a significant minority of today's youth...
And BC, I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to reconcile the bragging on display on that site with the shy, polite young man you speak of. I genuinely hope that is the reality but his site strongly suggests otherwise.

On the subject of fisticuffs and weapons...I'm pretty sure I heard one of the thugs say "I'll kill you, you fornicating prick" as the dude was wedged in between two cars having his head paved in. Probably a heat of the moment thing if said 50 years ago. Didn't mean it. He was angry. Nowadays, though? That's an arrangement. There's no defence to a video like that being in the public domain. It's ridiculous.

Most people have two sides anyway. Nobody's right on Eubank Jr. On one hand he's apparently a pleasant, well-spoken kid and on the other he's apparently a dumb, inarticulate thug. Maybe that's just the way he is to the different people he meets. Can't say I'll be bothered to support him when/if he turns pro...and I LOVE Mike McCallum.

[Spud]

I'm just killing time here. I'm a bad man. Nigel Benn plays 'Dangerous' when I walk into his house, then hides until he can gauge my reaction.

Recognize!

Deal with my points Terry - come on - deal with the points or is it making you feel big ridiculing me on a boxing forum??

I don't see any points. I was adding levity here.

I'm 6 foot something when stood up, smaller when sat down, I'm taller when not sitting at my PC desk so it hardly makes me feel big does it?

I would say the point is that if you are prepared to kick a guy in the head and present a gangster lifestyle then you better make something out of boxing otherwise you might end-up doing a lot worse than merely kicking a guy when he is down.

Kicking a guy when he is down, to the head as well, is a c*nts trick. It was c*nts trick when those yobs did it to that hippy couple. It was a c*nts trick when guys did it to that family man who came out to confront him. One wrong kick during this c*nts tricks and Eubank's son is up for murder or manslaughter for kicking a guy to death. Killing someone is as bad as mugging granny Smith, perhaps worse, or is kicking someone to death a bit of a lark in your mind?

I know genuine tough guys and there is a point which they know not to go beyond, the guy went beyond that point and is glorifying it on the Internet. It is crass behaviour.

At last Terry - you have stopped the b*llocks and entered the debate -

My point is I have seen fights and unfortunately been a victim/losing side of the majority I got stuck in - but I chose to enter those scraps to stick up for what I believed I was right in - I took a kicking on a number of occasions - my fault for being there and consenting to the scrap in the first place.

My old man died when I was 9 years old - but I can honestly remember him telling me - if you go down son in a fight - cover your head - that was in the early 70's so what Eubank was involved in is no different now is it??

My point about dealing with the "Real Issues" is the c*nts who use knives and weapons - then once they are dealt with and society is rid of them - then as I have stated start going down the sliding scale of severity and dealing with the variety of issues one at a time.

I honestly believe Eubanks son has been jumped on by members of this forum and unnecessarily ridiculed for being a teenage lad who has made a mistake.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I'm just killing time here. I'm a bad man. Nigel Benn plays 'Dangerous' when I walk into his house, then hides until he can gauge my reaction.

Recognize!

Deal with my points Terry - come on - deal with the points or is it making you feel big ridiculing me on a boxing forum??

I don't see any points. I was adding levity here.

I'm 6 foot something when stood up, smaller when sat down, I'm taller when not sitting at my PC desk so it hardly makes me feel big does it?

I would say the point is that if you are prepared to kick a guy in the head and present a gangster lifestyle then you better make something out of boxing otherwise you might end-up doing a lot worse than merely kicking a guy when he is down.

Kicking a guy when he is down, to the head as well, is a c*nts trick. It was c*nts trick when those yobs did it to that hippy couple. It was a c*nts trick when guys did it to that family man who came out to confront him. One wrong kick during this c*nts tricks and Eubank's son is up for murder or manslaughter for kicking a guy to death. Killing someone is as bad as mugging granny Smith, perhaps worse, or is kicking someone to death a bit of a lark in your mind?

I know genuine tough guys and there is a point which they know not to go beyond, the guy went beyond that point and is glorifying it on the Internet. It is crass behaviour.

Here, here, for once I agree with Terry, doesnt happen very often does it Terrence? Kicking a man while he is down is on par with stabbing someone or shooting someone because 1 kick on the floor and its the end of a mans life, numerous kicks increase the chances. Someone mentioned the goth girl being kicked to death, well it doesnt take much to kick someone to death when they're lying helpless on the floor and this could have been a similar incident if the head got smashed into the ground

Theres an old saying 'don't kick a man while hes down', if you actual know how to fight you can easily kick a man to death when hes down.

If you do lose your rag, from anger of fear, fair play, at least have the decency to figure out you were wrong and dont post it on your myspace. Apart from anything its evidence of an assault and if the victim in question reported it, Chris Jr could kiss goodbye to boxing as he'd be inside for a few years.

[thepocketrocket]

The issue Spud is that HE DOESNT SEE IT AS A MISTAKE!!! therin lies the issue!!!! Christ knows how many boxers have scraps, lord only knows how many of us on here have had scraps....all of us I imagine!!

If I heard about Chris Jnr having fights and being a rough lad I wouldnt care, people move on from for youthful stupidity, god, loom at Gavin Rees, a terror but he grows up, has some good stories to tell and life moves on!!

Chris has no regrets, thats why there is a youtube video nasty of him leathering some guy and then him AND HIS FRIENDS stamping some guy to near unconciousness(this aint a fair fight mate, as soon as he goes down the whole pack of wolves have their piece of the action)

No regrets and whilst he engages in this wannabee gangster thug persona then he deserves the contempt of the board!!

Plus his dad robbed Ray Close TWICE

[banjo]

Some of these mouthy sods need a good kicking these days, one night just before christmas when I were on the doors another one of these wannabe gangsters tried it on me and guess where he spent the night.
These kids have no respect for others and need a beating to put them back in line, hey it worked for me when I were younger. If more people stood up for themselves then these nuggets will get back in touch with reality.

[Deserter]

The issue Spud is that HE DOESNT SEE IT AS A MISTAKE!!! therin lies the issue!!!! Christ knows how many boxers have scraps, lord only knows how many of us on here have had scraps....all of us I imagine!!

If I heard about Chris Jnr having fights and being a rough lad I wouldnt care, people move on from for youthful stupidity, god, loom at Gavin Rees, a terror but he grows up, has some good stories to tell and life moves on!!

Chris has no regrets, thats why there is a youtube video nasty of him leathering some guy and then him AND HIS FRIENDS stamping some guy to near unconciousness(this aint a fair fight mate, as soon as he goes down the whole pack of wolves have their piece of the action)

No regrets and whilst he engages in this wannabee gangster thug persona then he deserves the contempt of the board!!

Plus his dad robbed Ray Close TWICE

Exactly Pocket!!! (Bar the Ray Close comments of course
Spud, in a bid to bring this debate back into more measured terms, I think I, and several of the other posters, have made it clear there is no issue with two individuals meeting up for a one-on-one fight. Always has happened, and always will.
The lines that are crossed in the eyes of most decent people are:

1) Collectively stamping on the head of a lad who is clearly already done and dusted.

2) Gloating and glorifying the incident for years after.

I can tell you honestly that his identity is utterly irrelevant to me and I would feel the same regardless of who it was.
If Eubank Jr had knocked the guy down and reached the point where it was clear he was the victor, and had then chosen to walk away with his head held high, acted like a man and got on with his life then all credit to him.
Instead, by choosing to use the incident as a 'showcase' for what a 'bad boy' he is, he deserves our contempt, mitigated in small part by his age.
On that note I'm genuinely surprised his father hasn't spoken to him that this is not what becoming a man is all about.
Please take this on board along with the insightful and informed comments from the likes of Terry, P Nutrition etc and really reflect on where we're coming from. I think our actions on this board are pretty indicative that we're 'normal' members of society and our love of boxing alone is enough to distinguish us from the PC brigade that clearly ruffle your feathers.
Given this, are so many of us 'normal' people really that wrong about finding his attitude so utterly distasteful?

[Spud]

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[Spud]

Some of these mouthy sods need a good kicking these days, one night just before christmas when I were on the doors another one of these wannabe gangsters tried it on me and guess where he spent the night.
These kids have no respect for others and need a beating to put them back in line, hey it worked for me when I were younger. If more people stood up for themselves then these nuggets will get back in touch with reality.

Banjo,

Your response is similar to the one I would perhaps give - but if you read the responses to many of the posts they would disagree

[Crew2]

[Crew2]

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[Crew2]

[STP]

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That's his dad's quote!

[STP]

Shit, he looks like David Haye there!

[Autobarn]

Better let this thread die or he won't be much of a secret anymore.[/img]

[STP]

Better let this thread die or he won't be much of a secret anymore.[/img]

Yeah because dozens or hundreds of people have seen this... compared to the 10's of millions who'd see him in Olympics.

[mrkh]

theyre innocent really :)

it just todays culture.

[mrkh]

Better let this thread die or he won't be much of a secret anymore.[/img]

Yeah because dozens or hundreds of people have seen this... compared to the 10's of millions who'd see him in Olympics.

2000 views, word of mouth

[STP]

102 replies, the same people viewing after new replies.

This board isn't the centre of the fornicating universe. We're freaks.

[Autobarn]

I won't tell anyone if you don't.

[stujones]

Well I aint seen the site, or nor to I care to wish to. But have got the general impression of whats been done based on the thread.

My only comment is this generalise sweeping statements that seem to be made that all teenage boxers get into scrapes outside of the ring.

Sorry, I think that is wrong - one thing boxing teaches is discipline. You learn to respect the damage your fists can do to others and you therefore you don't fight. You are also taught of the potential trouble a licensed amateur can get into in a street fight, even if both guys knew about it.

I boxed amateur from the age of 14 - I didn't once get into a fight outside of the ring.... even if people I know were going to get involved. I'd always be the one to try and stop it via grabbing my friends and saying "walk away". Even on the Rugby pitch - I wouldn't get involved in the fights.. and, without bragging, I could have probably delt with most of them on my todd. Why? 3 reasons.

1) Didn't want to damage my hands - boxing was my main sport, my main hobby - I knew one punch from an unprotected hand could be trouble.

2) I knew the potential trouble I could get in with the law.... alot more than a non licenced person.

3) My coach would have killed me and turfed me out.

From my limited experience... the MAJORITY of the amateur boxers I have dealt with and talked to have the same view. Boxing is a good escapism for aggression - you hit a bag and not a person (unless its a controlled enviroment).

Sure, I had my fair share of friends, who thought I was no great shakes and wanted to take me on... but then that was in a CONTROLLED enviroment - gloves, gumshield and my old man watching... and even then, I would tend to just go for the body. I'd hit them hard enough for them not to ask again - but I'd never KO them with a head shot. Body shot, yeah I'd leave them gasping - but I'd take it easy generally.

I'd be pretty disgusted if any boxer, whatever the level, used their fist in a fight (whatever the situation) if they have gained the ascedancy... sure if they are jumped on, obviously self-defend - but once/if they are on top... then STOP!

Boxing is the art of Self defence... every boxer is taught this from day one, and tought about discipline and respecting what you are learned.. if not, then they should be.

[E]

Jaysus...I see he has inherited his father's good looks...

But truthfully without wanting to sound like an old man, reading the illiterate fake gangsta shite is laughable..... although I'm aware that the older generations have consistently been dramatically worried about the young culture and its perceived degeneracy....

These kids will hopefully grow up at some stage........

[Gray-Fox]

He's got the same Super Nintendo shaped head.

[STP]

I don't think Eubank would have his boy sign with SN.

Not least because Eubank and Warren have never liked eachother. Infact, they've always disliked eachother.