Recent Olympics qualifier on www.spam.tv

ehtrend · Post by **ehtrend** » 29 Apr 2008, 16:01

US v Puerto Rico can be seen on http://www.spam.tv excellent event to watch Salam Ali was brutal as were some of the other olympians. Check them out before they become stars

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 29 Apr 2008, 16:46

Please - this event was NOT any Olympic qualifier!

It was an international dual meet. Thank you!

Canada · Post by **Canada** » 29 Apr 2008, 19:43

THANK YOU! I hope they can do more of these boxing events live!

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 29 Apr 2008, 22:39

Thanks a lot for that one! Raushee Warren is awesome! He's not the most tactical boxer out there but hey, he's got soo much talent. He's pure class, looks like a gold medalist to me.

Gray-Fox · Post by **Gray-Fox** » 30 Apr 2008, 04:10

locoxelbox wrote:Thanks a lot for that one! Raushee Warren is awesome! He's not the most tactical boxer out there but hey, he's got soo much talent. He's pure class, looks like a gold medalist to me.

That the first time you've seen him?

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 30 Apr 2008, 08:50

No, I first saw him at the 2004 Olympic qualifiers in Mexico and I've followed his career since but I still get that excitement everytime I see him fight. I believe he's the best US boxer in many years, probably since Roy Jones at the 1988 Olympics.

Gray-Fox · Post by **Gray-Fox** » 30 Apr 2008, 20:36

locoxelbox wrote:No, I first saw him at the 2004 Olympic qualifiers in Mexico and I've followed his career since but I still get that excitement everytime I see him fight. I believe he's the best US boxer in many years, probably since Roy Jones at the 1988 Olympics.

Hmm. He's as good perhaps but certainly not better than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Canada · Post by **Canada** » 30 Apr 2008, 21:32

He certainly has the same level of speed that Maywether has, and his amatuer credintials are just as if not more impressive.

How can you be "certain" about that?

Gray-Fox · Post by **Gray-Fox** » 01 May 2008, 02:15

Canada wrote:He certainly has the same level of speed that Maywether has, and his amatuer credintials are just as if not more impressive.

How can you be "certain" about that?

Speed is nothing but a natural ability. I don't judge fighters by speed. I just think that Floyd Mayweather had better all round skills and smarts as an amateur. Time will tell.

Not taking anything away from Warren, who I think is a lock for the gold.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 01 May 2008, 02:39

Raushee Warren will come to the Olympics as an aboslute favorite for gold (uless he clearly loses some meaningless bout in the preparation for the Olympics). He has shown over the past years that he's one of the top amateur boxers pound for pound. His last loss (correct me if I'm wrong) was to all-time great Guillermo Rigondeaux giving away one weight class at the 2006 World Cup.

I saw Floyd Mayweather fight as an 18-year old at the 1995 World Championships and I was amazed thinking here we have a gold medalist in one year. He was a bit raw but full of talent. He lost in his second bout of the tournament. He did have some good fights in Atlanta but fact is he struggled against cuban Lorenzo Aragon and finally got beaten by three-time world champion Serafim Todorov on a hairline decision. Floyd was only 19 at the time and of course went on to win multiple world titles as a professional but he has a lot of detractors despite all his numbers (I'm one of them).

Raushee Warren was only 17 when he went to the 2004 Olympics losing to bronze medalist Zou Shiming. He won a bronze medal at the 2005 World at only 18. He's unbeaten the last two years and sure looks like a gold medalist, more than any US boxer since Eric Griffin before Barcelona 1992. Ok, Antonio Tarver looked set for gold in Atlanta but honestly, was he ever so impressive? Brian Viloria and Rocky Juarez were tipped for gold but never dominated like Warren did at the Worlds.
Only time will tell how great Warren will be but as far as I'm concerned he's a legend in the making.

JMac · Post by **JMac** » 01 May 2008, 11:21

I was there when Warren lost to Rigo and he was only down 4 points going into the last round and that was in Baku where USA would not get close wins. For some reason Warren thought he was up 4 and danced away from Rigo in the last round so of course Rigo let him and the score ended the same from the 3rd rd.
The day before the bout, I was talking with the Cuban coach and he was telling me how impresive Warren had looked so far.

emile · Post by **emile** » 01 May 2008, 11:46

He's just the perfect mix for an American Olympian - just the right age for these Olympics I think, with speed and athleticism and the top-level experience that is usually missing.

I saw his fight with Balakshin in Chicago, and it was a close ill-tempered bout. Balakshin was unhappy with the scoring, but Warren was a little quicker when they exchanged, and age is all in Warren's favor.

Hopefully, Rau'Shee won't have any trouble with his weight. I think 51kg will be one of the best, most competitive divisions in the Olympics (Warren, Balakshin, Lee, Jongjohor, Laffita, Arroyo, Mammadov, Thomas, Payano, Yafai, Sarsembayev, Yunusov), so he will have to be on top of his game.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 01 May 2008, 19:00

Yeah, it's a great weight class but I still see Warren one level above the rest. Samir Mammadov could be his hardest opponent and it will be interesting with a rematch against Ok-Sung Lee, who was very impressive at the 2005 Worlds but has done little since. Warren is much stronger than when they met three years ago.
McWilliams Arroyo is strong but I doubt he has the speed to beat Warren.
Laffita is a well schooled boxer but isn't very explosive and I don't think he'll beat Warren.

Gray-Fox · Post by **Gray-Fox** » 02 May 2008, 03:57

We'll see.

I don't know how any amateur can detract Floyd Mayweather Jr. He's better skilled than Warren. He might not be faster, but he's certainly smarter. I believe fame and hype will get to Warren's head. Only time will tell. I think he'll win gold, but I just see him as a speed freak. Amir Khan was more of a sensation.

emile · Post by **emile** » 02 May 2008, 09:39

locoxelbox wrote:Yeah, it's a great weight class but I still see Warren one level above the rest. Samir Mammadov could be his hardest opponent and it will be interesting with a rematch against Ok-Sung Lee, who was very impressive at the 2005 Worlds but has done little since. Warren is much stronger than when they met three years ago.
McWilliams Arroyo is strong but I doubt he has the speed to beat Warren.
Laffita is a well schooled boxer but isn't very explosive and I don't think he'll beat Warren.

Wow, my post was really terribly written. One of the things I was trying to say was that we know Warren has some issues at 51kg - that he wanted to move to 54kg, but the coaches wouldn't let him. Hopefully, he will not have any struggles. I agree that he is the most talented fighter in the class, but, because of the quality of the competition, he doesn't have a lot of room for error.

Of the fights I saw in Chicago, Andrade was actually more dominant. But, he has some record of inconsistency (although his people thought the Lima scoring in Rio was really bad). Then again, 69kg is one of the shallowest groups of talent IMO, with no good Russian and Lara being out of the Cuban team.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 02 May 2008, 14:40

emile wrote:
locoxelbox wrote:Yeah, it's a great weight class but I still see Warren one level above the rest. Samir Mammadov could be his hardest opponent and it will be interesting with a rematch against Ok-Sung Lee, who was very impressive at the 2005 Worlds but has done little since. Warren is much stronger than when they met three years ago.
McWilliams Arroyo is strong but I doubt he has the speed to beat Warren.
Laffita is a well schooled boxer but isn't very explosive and I don't think he'll beat Warren.
Wow, my post was really terribly written. One of the things I was trying to say was that we know Warren has some issues at 51kg - that he wanted to move to 54kg, but the coaches wouldn't let him. Hopefully, he will not have any struggles. I agree that he is the most talented fighter in the class, but, because of the quality of the competition, he doesn't have a lot of room for error.

Of the fights I saw in Chicago, Andrade was actually more dominant. But, he has some record of inconsistency (although his people thought the Lima scoring in Rio was really bad). Then again, 69kg is one of the shallowest groups of talent IMO, with no good Russian and Lara being out of the Cuban team.

Rumor has it that Lara is out of Cuba yet again to box professionally. Rigondeaux is meeting with new president Raul Castro to ask him if he can box again as well.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 02 May 2008, 15:15

I don't know how any amateur can detract Floyd Mayweather Jr. He's better skilled than Warren.

Are you comparing them both as amateurs? Please remember that they are two different athletes and Floyd was older than Rau'shee when he went to the Olympics. To me, Floyd was one of the best - could think in the ring like no one else. Rau'shee has his skills and Floyd had his.

I

believe fame and hype will get to Warren's head. Only time will tell

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Actually, Rau'shee has grown up and out of his almost attitude of several years ago. I was really impressed with his focus and maturity this year. Hopefully he'll retain this same demeanor when he turns pro.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 02 May 2008, 22:50

jtyson wrote:Rumor has it that Lara is out of Cuba yet again to box professionally.

Wow, where did you hear that?