What programme was that ? Id love to watch that..
seeing Dunphy put Dundee in his place.
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That was an NBC program with the two Ali shills, Pacheco (who was strongly connected with NBC) and Dundee
where they showed old films of fighters up to what was the present,
obviously for the purpose of selling Ali as the 'greatest of Ali time.'
The three guests they chose were a disaster for them, as Archie Moore, Georgie Benton and Don Dunphy were enthusiastic about the older fighters and laughed at Ali.
The program was a train wreck for Pacheco.
At one point when Pacheco tried to make a sneering comment about Gene Tunney,
Archie Moore, who was lost in watching the film of Tunney they were showing, looked up and said enthusiastically,
"Yeah, Tunney was a fox."
Pacheco hurried on to the next film.
All three guests ridiculed the Ali-Liston one round fake.
Apparently Pacheco and Dundee thought Moore, Benton, and Dunphy were going to be controlled and go along as docile sycophants.
The two former Ali employees would have been better off doing the program with no commenters other than themselves.
I have seen the program available on those lists of fights and programs available for sale by the people who sell such tapes.
where they showed old films of fighters up to what was the present,
obviously for the purpose of selling Ali as the 'greatest of Ali time.'
The three guests they chose were a disaster for them, as Archie Moore, Georgie Benton and Don Dunphy were enthusiastic about the older fighters and laughed at Ali.
The program was a train wreck for Pacheco.
At one point when Pacheco tried to make a sneering comment about Gene Tunney,
Archie Moore, who was lost in watching the film of Tunney they were showing, looked up and said enthusiastically,
"Yeah, Tunney was a fox."
Pacheco hurried on to the next film.
All three guests ridiculed the Ali-Liston one round fake.
Apparently Pacheco and Dundee thought Moore, Benton, and Dunphy were going to be controlled and go along as docile sycophants.
The two former Ali employees would have been better off doing the program with no commenters other than themselves.
I have seen the program available on those lists of fights and programs available for sale by the people who sell such tapes.
I shall try and find it thanks for that.
I hate watching Ali bouts that were re-commentated by Ali and Costell or Ferdie Pachenco.
They edit rounds out, which may be of consideration for TV, worse still is the commentary and I must concour with you on this one Granberry is damned biased and self loving.
Since you mentioned him several threads ago I have really began to enjoy Don Dunphy and notice his work more.
Archie Moore is awesome, wish there was more film of him in action and talking available.
I hate watching Ali bouts that were re-commentated by Ali and Costell or Ferdie Pachenco.
They edit rounds out, which may be of consideration for TV, worse still is the commentary and I must concour with you on this one Granberry is damned biased and self loving.
Since you mentioned him several threads ago I have really began to enjoy Don Dunphy and notice his work more.
Archie Moore is awesome, wish there was more film of him in action and talking available.
Don Dunphy was the best fight commentator of all time, bar none.Robinson wrote:I shall try and find it thanks for that.
I hate watching Ali bouts that were re-commentated by Ali and Costell or Ferdie Pachenco.
They edit rounds out, which may be of consideration for TV, worse still is the commentary and I must concour with you on this one Granberry is damned biased and self loving.
Since you mentioned him several threads ago I have really began to enjoy Don Dunphy and notice his work more.
Archie Moore is awesome, wish there was more film of him in action and talking available.
As far as Pacheco re-commentating on an Ali fight, I've heard him do this once, Ali-Frazier II. Some people might think this was Pacheco calling the fight as it actually happened, but it is a voice over, and Pacheco is obscenely one sided in favor of Ali.
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I have the video as well, the Greatest Rounds of All Time NBC special. Your theory that Dundee and Pacheco were trying to spin it into some "Ali special" is typical, and just not true. Dundee wasn't saying anything biased towards Ali, and Pacheco was at times downgrading the older fighters, simply b/c Pacheco doesn't know boxing, period. He was an awful Showtime announcer, his calls of the Tyson-Ruddock fights were just dreadful "Tyson needs to turn into the animal he was and throw lots of combinations" . . wow, great analysis there Ferdie.granberry wrote:That was an NBC program with the two Ali shills, Pacheco (who was strongly connected with NBC) and Dundee
where they showed old films of fighters up to what was the present,
obviously for the purpose of selling Ali as the 'greatest of Ali time.'
The three guests they chose were a disaster for them, as Archie Moore, Georgie Benton and Don Dunphy were enthusiastic about the older fighters and laughed at Ali.
The program was a train wreck for Pacheco.
At one point when Pacheco tried to make a sneering comment about Gene Tunney,
Archie Moore, who was lost in watching the film of Tunney they were showing, looked up and said enthusiastically,
"Yeah, Tunney was a fox."
Pacheco hurried on to the next film.
All three guests ridiculed the Ali-Liston one round fake.
Apparently Pacheco and Dundee thought Moore, Benton, and Dunphy were going to be controlled and go along as docile sycophants.
The two former Ali employees would have been better off doing the program with no commenters other than themselves.
I have seen the program available on those lists of fights and programs available for sale by the people who sell such tapes.
Flaming shills and former Ali employees Pacheco and Dundee tried to sell the Ali-Liston one round KO as legitimate.
Archie Moore ridiculed everything Liston did.
Georgie Benton said of the "punch"
"It didn't look like enough for a knockout" --
Don Dunphy said, "If that was a punch, I'll eat it."
Dundee tried frantically to insist it was legitimate.
Moore, Benton, and Dunphy all laughed at him.
Finally Dundee yelled out like a small child in frustration, "Aw, forget it."
Dunphy answered without hesitation, "I'm trying to forget it."
An absolute disaster for the Ali shills.
I am amazed they allow this shipwreck of the flaming Ali shills to be sold.
Archie Moore ridiculed everything Liston did.
Georgie Benton said of the "punch"
"It didn't look like enough for a knockout" --
Don Dunphy said, "If that was a punch, I'll eat it."
Dundee tried frantically to insist it was legitimate.
Moore, Benton, and Dunphy all laughed at him.
Finally Dundee yelled out like a small child in frustration, "Aw, forget it."
Dunphy answered without hesitation, "I'm trying to forget it."
An absolute disaster for the Ali shills.
I am amazed they allow this shipwreck of the flaming Ali shills to be sold.
I remeber more than one person commenting that Pacheco mentioned the name Ali every two rounds when he announced NBC fights after Ali was retired and not fighting any more.
If a fighter sat down on his stool after a round,
Pacheco would say, "Ali used to sit on a stool."
If a fighter had shoelaces on his shoes,
Pacheco would say, "Yes, Ali had shoelaces on his shoes."
If a fighter threw a left jab, Pacheco would say, "Ali used to jab."
Someone said to me, "It must be in their contract to mention Ali every two rounds."
If a fighter sat down on his stool after a round,
Pacheco would say, "Ali used to sit on a stool."
If a fighter had shoelaces on his shoes,
Pacheco would say, "Yes, Ali had shoelaces on his shoes."
If a fighter threw a left jab, Pacheco would say, "Ali used to jab."
Someone said to me, "It must be in their contract to mention Ali every two rounds."
Pacheco had one NBC special program where the entire purpose was to legitimize Ali's "wins" against Liston.
A TV 'media' person with his editing of material shown can run rings around an innocent person he "interviews."
On this flaming Ali "special" done for the sole purpose of selling the Liston-Ali fights as legitimate, Pacheco had Philly cornerman Milt Bailey saying that the first Liston-Ali fight was legitimate.
PROBLEMS WITH HIS?
Milt Bailey WAS NOT IN Liston's corner for the first Ali 'fight.'
Milt Bailey was completely baldheaded and had been for decades.
On his special Pacheco showed Liston's corner during the first Ali 'fight' and showed a man with a large, full head of hair and said that was Milt Bailey in Liston's corner for that fight.
Then Pacheco quoted a snippet of the baldheaded real Milt Bailey, who looked nothing like the guy with the full head of hair in Liston's corner,
supposedly saying that fight was legitimate.
One day, shortly after Pacheco's Ali shilling program aired,
a group of trainers at Frazier's gym in Philly surrounded Milt Bailey and said, "How could you allow yourself to be used like that?"
Bailey said that of course he was not in Liston's corner for the first Ali 'fight' and that the guy Pacheco showed with the full head of hair and claimed was Milt Bailey was of course NOT him.
Bailey said Pacheco took a general comment that Bailey made about Liston and falsely twisted it to make it appear Bailey said the first Liston-Ali fight was legitimate.
Bailey said, "They took a little snip of what I said where I was talking about Liston in a general way and they edited it and placed it to make it look like I was referring to that specific fight."
Bailey rubbed the top of his head and said ruefully he hadn't had any hair there for "a long time."
A flaming Ali shill like Pacheco will stoop to ANY sort of lying or falsehood to sell his product.
Notice the concern Ali shills have about presenting the stinking Ali-Liston fights as legitimate. Pacheco devoted an entire special to trying sell that basic Religion of Ali talking point.
Notice that Pacheco learned his lesson from his earlier disaster
and did not have a single quote from Archie Moore, Georgie Benton or Don Dunphy on that "special."
A TV 'media' person with his editing of material shown can run rings around an innocent person he "interviews."
On this flaming Ali "special" done for the sole purpose of selling the Liston-Ali fights as legitimate, Pacheco had Philly cornerman Milt Bailey saying that the first Liston-Ali fight was legitimate.
PROBLEMS WITH HIS?
Milt Bailey WAS NOT IN Liston's corner for the first Ali 'fight.'
Milt Bailey was completely baldheaded and had been for decades.
On his special Pacheco showed Liston's corner during the first Ali 'fight' and showed a man with a large, full head of hair and said that was Milt Bailey in Liston's corner for that fight.
Then Pacheco quoted a snippet of the baldheaded real Milt Bailey, who looked nothing like the guy with the full head of hair in Liston's corner,
supposedly saying that fight was legitimate.
One day, shortly after Pacheco's Ali shilling program aired,
a group of trainers at Frazier's gym in Philly surrounded Milt Bailey and said, "How could you allow yourself to be used like that?"
Bailey said that of course he was not in Liston's corner for the first Ali 'fight' and that the guy Pacheco showed with the full head of hair and claimed was Milt Bailey was of course NOT him.
Bailey said Pacheco took a general comment that Bailey made about Liston and falsely twisted it to make it appear Bailey said the first Liston-Ali fight was legitimate.
Bailey said, "They took a little snip of what I said where I was talking about Liston in a general way and they edited it and placed it to make it look like I was referring to that specific fight."
Bailey rubbed the top of his head and said ruefully he hadn't had any hair there for "a long time."
A flaming Ali shill like Pacheco will stoop to ANY sort of lying or falsehood to sell his product.
Notice the concern Ali shills have about presenting the stinking Ali-Liston fights as legitimate. Pacheco devoted an entire special to trying sell that basic Religion of Ali talking point.
Notice that Pacheco learned his lesson from his earlier disaster
and did not have a single quote from Archie Moore, Georgie Benton or Don Dunphy on that "special."
ORANGE EATEN BY JOHNSON IS TESTED FOR DRUGS
On this day in 1955, Manayunk's Harold Johnson lost in controversial fashion in his main event bout at the Arena with Julio Mederos. Johnson had beaten Mederos in a previous match by ten round decision. But this bout was very different. Even before the fight started, as the ring introductions were being made, Harold complained of a headache and of not feeling well. As the fight started, Johnson boxed with his usual finesse, but he was clearly slower and less effective. As the action heated
up, Johnson was whacked with a few good shots, but he fought back. When the bell ending the first round sounded, Johnson turned to his corner but then began to stagger as he walked. He even shook his head in an attempt to clear the fog he was feeling. As he sat on his stool, both his corner men and the ringside doctor swarmed him. Under harsh questioning, Johnson maintained that he was fine and the bout continued.
In the second, Johnson seemed to be making a good comeback. He boxed and landed punches on his Cuban foe. The two clinched, and as they came out of it, Johnson fell to one knee - without being hit by a punch. The ref, Dave Beloff, called it a slip and Johnson got up and finished the round without another incident. However, once again, as he turned to go back to his corner, he staggered. This time however, ringside doctor Alfred Ayala, Jr. jumped into Johnson's corner and insisted that the bout be stopped. Mederos was declared the winner by second round TKO. Johnson was taken to Hahnemann Hospital for testing and thankfully he was fine.
Many in the small Arena crowd of about 500 as well as those watching on national TV were thinking that perhaps the fix was in. The commission had similar concerns, but was also worried that Johnson appeared to have been drugged. A full investigation followed. Johnson explained that his poor performance may have been caused by an orange that he ate which had been given to him by a stranger prior to the fight.
The story goes like this - earlier in the day, just after the official weigh in at the commissioner's office, Johnson stepped away from his trainer, Skinny Davidson, and encountered a mysterious stranger who was eating an orange. The man struck up a conversation with Harold and then offered him an orange from a brown paper bag he was holding. He said, "Take it; they're good for you." The always gracious Johnson accepted the fruit and put it in his pocket, where it remained throughout the rest of the day. Later, when Johnson prepared to leave for the Arena, he grabbed the orange and brought it along. Shortly before the fight, while still in his dressing room, Johnson ate the orange for a little energy boost. What he got was the exact opposite.
In the end, the Johnson camp had no other explanation for what had happened. The commission even retrieved a piece of orange peel from the dressing room and gave it a full battery of tests. The investigation, the tests, and the story about the mysterious "swarthy" stranger, all proved inconclusive. So the official decision (TKO 2) stood and no one was charged with any wrong-doing - even though controversy still swirled. Because of the whole fiasco (and especially because the incident played out on national television), PA Governor George Leader slapped on a 90-day boxing ban and the Philly prize rings went silent. Things revved back up by the fall, but no further clarity about the Mederos-Johnson fight ever came. So the legend of the tainted orange lives on.
On this day in 1955, Manayunk's Harold Johnson lost in controversial fashion in his main event bout at the Arena with Julio Mederos. Johnson had beaten Mederos in a previous match by ten round decision. But this bout was very different. Even before the fight started, as the ring introductions were being made, Harold complained of a headache and of not feeling well. As the fight started, Johnson boxed with his usual finesse, but he was clearly slower and less effective. As the action heated
up, Johnson was whacked with a few good shots, but he fought back. When the bell ending the first round sounded, Johnson turned to his corner but then began to stagger as he walked. He even shook his head in an attempt to clear the fog he was feeling. As he sat on his stool, both his corner men and the ringside doctor swarmed him. Under harsh questioning, Johnson maintained that he was fine and the bout continued.
In the second, Johnson seemed to be making a good comeback. He boxed and landed punches on his Cuban foe. The two clinched, and as they came out of it, Johnson fell to one knee - without being hit by a punch. The ref, Dave Beloff, called it a slip and Johnson got up and finished the round without another incident. However, once again, as he turned to go back to his corner, he staggered. This time however, ringside doctor Alfred Ayala, Jr. jumped into Johnson's corner and insisted that the bout be stopped. Mederos was declared the winner by second round TKO. Johnson was taken to Hahnemann Hospital for testing and thankfully he was fine.
Many in the small Arena crowd of about 500 as well as those watching on national TV were thinking that perhaps the fix was in. The commission had similar concerns, but was also worried that Johnson appeared to have been drugged. A full investigation followed. Johnson explained that his poor performance may have been caused by an orange that he ate which had been given to him by a stranger prior to the fight.
The story goes like this - earlier in the day, just after the official weigh in at the commissioner's office, Johnson stepped away from his trainer, Skinny Davidson, and encountered a mysterious stranger who was eating an orange. The man struck up a conversation with Harold and then offered him an orange from a brown paper bag he was holding. He said, "Take it; they're good for you." The always gracious Johnson accepted the fruit and put it in his pocket, where it remained throughout the rest of the day. Later, when Johnson prepared to leave for the Arena, he grabbed the orange and brought it along. Shortly before the fight, while still in his dressing room, Johnson ate the orange for a little energy boost. What he got was the exact opposite.
In the end, the Johnson camp had no other explanation for what had happened. The commission even retrieved a piece of orange peel from the dressing room and gave it a full battery of tests. The investigation, the tests, and the story about the mysterious "swarthy" stranger, all proved inconclusive. So the official decision (TKO 2) stood and no one was charged with any wrong-doing - even though controversy still swirled. Because of the whole fiasco (and especially because the incident played out on national television), PA Governor George Leader slapped on a 90-day boxing ban and the Philly prize rings went silent. Things revved back up by the fall, but no further clarity about the Mederos-Johnson fight ever came. So the legend of the tainted orange lives on.
Harold Johnson was a good friend of mine and we spent many hours talking about boxing.
I used to call him up when a fight was on TV and he would comment while we watched it together over the phone.
Johnson once told me about that entire day of the Mederos fight in detail.
But of course I wouldn't besmirch such information by putting it on a thread here just posted on by a clueless Ali shill and a tired old man filled with antagonism.
Such posters do real damage on a site like this by their efforts to stink up the site so that posters with valuable information will not post it because they know--from the LONG track record of Mr. Clueless and old Mr. Antagonism--
that such information would only be defiled on a site such as this.
I used to call him up when a fight was on TV and he would comment while we watched it together over the phone.
Johnson once told me about that entire day of the Mederos fight in detail.
But of course I wouldn't besmirch such information by putting it on a thread here just posted on by a clueless Ali shill and a tired old man filled with antagonism.
Such posters do real damage on a site like this by their efforts to stink up the site so that posters with valuable information will not post it because they know--from the LONG track record of Mr. Clueless and old Mr. Antagonism--
that such information would only be defiled on a site such as this.
granberry if that is truly the case... then just concentrate on being that shining light that leads those of us who are lost, from the fog.....BE the light.....and there will be no need to lash out at others....
remember purveyors of darkness always pale when contrasted with the brilliance of those who shine the truth on such matters.
Be of good cheer and angry no more......These things always sort themselves out.....
remember purveyors of darkness always pale when contrasted with the brilliance of those who shine the truth on such matters.
Be of good cheer and angry no more......These things always sort themselves out.....
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granberry, I mean this in all sincerity, If you could just be persuaded to be courteous and respectful to others I'm sure that the waters of that particular pool would quickly dry up and disappear along with any offending odor.granberry wrote:"Moderator' buzz removes my posts while he leaves the trash posted by collins, the poisonous feminine snake of boxrec.
Are you proud of the cesspool you have allowed boxrec to turn into, buzz?
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I sometimes wonder myself. Does he think it annoys me? If so, he's out of luck as I find it quite amusing as a sign that he isn't quite the full quid.Robinson wrote:What makes Collins a 'feminine snake' ?
If you look on the thread called "A question for Terap", you will see in his previous incarnation he used to refer to jaclem and the other regulars as 'the ladies' or something similar.
I think he's just lonely. For years he just wanted to be loved but his hare lip and halitosis kept potential friends and lovers at bay and he's ended up a sad old man.
Do you think there is anything we can do for him?